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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: V153 on January 28, 2012, 08:57:42 PM
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Finally got around to investigating why my motor ran like crap last time out. Got 105 psi in the top port hole. 125 in the other three. Dang! Milky substance resembling a 'mudslide' on the plug? Hmm. Me thinks bad head gasket, or worse?
Have already begun annointing the bolts on the offending head with PB Blaster.
Man!? I need this like a hole in the head! Pun intended ...
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Doug, the news of low compression in one cylinder has to hurt. Hope that upon tearing the motor down, it is just a minor, inexpensive fix.
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Sorry to hear that Doug ...
Could be a good time for some mod's ... money permiting ...
Ya always wanted a 140 J/E.
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Hate to hear that Doug, I too hope it's something simple (=easy and cheap) to fix. Sounds like water in the combustion chamber? Joe Poole (Ferguson Poole Marine) has been helping me get O.E. and aftermarket OMC stuff, if you need a good source. (Most folks think of him for Merc only, like I used to!). Keep us posted, would ya?
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Well it looks purty bad y'all. Cylinder wall is eroded all the way to the sleeve. Gasket leaking there. I think this one's a goner.
Can't imagine it rotting away like that. This motor was rebuilt from the crank up in '07 and religiously flushed with fresh water after every use. Wtf!?
Not a very happy camper right about now ...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAmn/CylinderWall.jpg)
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Looks bad Doug !
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Not looking too good there bro. Perhaps that's something a welder can build back up and resurface. In a pinch when I've come across pitting along the cylinder wall or head surface I've used some MarineTex to fill in the holes but I haven't done anything as extensive as what you've got there. Is your engine supposed to have those little black rubber tubes shoved in the water jacket to act as water diverters? I've seen a lot of OMC's that did.
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any luck on a new sleeve?is that a merc motor.
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Sorry to see your issue there. hope all works out
Tom
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Is your engine supposed to have those little black rubber tubes shoved in the water jacket to act as water diverters? I've seen a lot of OMC's that did
Ya they go here Rich. Solid rubber in this case. Too bad it didn't go on the other side, mighta supported the cylinder wall ...?
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAmn/Cylinder2.jpg)
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Sorry to hear the bad news, hope you find a way to salvage it.
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Corrosion can always find a way to ruin a perfectly good motor.
The problem there isn't the sleeve which is steel but the mating surface that the head attaches to around the sleeve which is aluminum.
If the cyl got trashed from the water intrusion I wouldn't bother attemting to fix it. I would just find another powerhead or motor.
If the cyl is still good you can take it to a welder and they can build that area up that corroded. The aluminum won't weld into the sleeve so you don't have to worry about that. Then you just have to level that area out after it is welded.
I did a similar repair to an old twin cyl merc and I just used a sanding block to level it out the best I could after the weld. Then I just used some RTV sealant along with a new gasket and it worked for years. I would just worry that some other areas of the block aren't far behind that one.
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Yeah I hear ya Greg, how far along is the rest of the block. To tell the truth I don't think I wanna know ...?
Yup the cylinder is scored above the exhaust port so the motor's gonna have to come apart anyway. And if that's the case I don't think it's worth it?
Serendiptitiously I installed a bimini at a local marina this morning and spied a dusty 130 looper buried in the corner of the shop. Asked my buddy Donnie the service manager what was up with it. He couldn't remember exactly but didn't think it was terminal. Pretty sure the customer bought a new motor, said he'd look into it.
[Start pipe dream here] Wouldn't it be nice if the problem were a power pack(s) or stator or voltage regulator or rectifier or starter. Or carburators even? I already got all of them parts ... Loopers are a lil heavier than crossflows but I reckon the 40 bolt on hp would help me get over that ...
Keep your fingers crossed y'all!
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Well, swung by the marina this morning with boat in tow. Donnie looked at the motor & said he could fix it. He sounded confident so I dropped it off at his personal shop. According to him the method recommended by both Yamaha and Honda is to pack the affected area of the water jacket with Marine Tex. Then grind out the passage & block sand the face. Swears he's done several that way that are still running. Being kinda a dinosaur I have my doubts but we'll see.
re the 130 loopner. Motor is indeed a runner & could probly be had dirt cheap. BUT. Steering arm/bracket rotten & busted off. $700 part from BRP, plus ya gotta pull the powerhead to install it. Part's been upgraded to stainless steel btw. Gee, wonder why they did that ...?
Motor is an Ocean Pro series which means, theoretically, it's supposed to have all kinds of 'extra' corrosion resistance built in. Hmm. (See above.) However it's really very clean otherwise, but boy is that thing big. Dwarfs the crossflow. Guess it could be my imagination but it looks a heckuva lot bigger & heavier?
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Emailed this joker back on Jan 11th.
http://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/2794797324.html
He finally got around to calling me about an hour ago. Sounded desperate. My bet is there are serious "issues" with the stringers/transom.
Me'n my lil bro are going up there Sat morning to have a look-see. Gonna haul a empty trailer c/o my buddy Steve @ Gulfliner Marine with us.
My plan is to find every flaw that I possibly can & use them to browbeat the guy into submission ... I know that's not very nice but I really need a motor. Anybody want the hull?
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The link doesn't work. What is it?
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Glastron Carlson speed-ski boat w/ 140 Evinrude - $1200 (Sarasota
http://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/2794797324.html
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAmn/dougsCV.jpg)
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Having owned a CVX 16 with a 140 Johnson, I can tell ya it won't do 70?
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Bet it will on the freeway ... LOL
Sorry ... couldn't resist ...
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Having owned a CVX 16 with a 140 Johnson, I can tell ya it won't do 70?
Dang! And I was hopin' for 75 mph ...
Ah well, we'll see. Gonna go up there prepared. Compression tester, fuel, battery. Starting foolid, junker cables, some tools, etc.
At first I thought the motor was a crossflow but more I look it appears it's a Loopner?
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Ya got me on the freeway...LOL
It does look like a looper, I would say that is much heavier then cross flow.
When my 140 gave out several years ago, I had a similar problem, not corrosion, but my water jacket cracked on the bottom, took it to the shop and they said either a new block or just try to sealing it with JB Weld...I thought he was joking but for the cost of a gasket and JB weld it worked for about 2 years then it started leaking again...I finally gave up on got a used 115...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAmn/073.jpg)
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Having owned a CVX 16 with a 140 Johnson, I can tell ya it won't do 70?
All depends on how out of adjustment the speedo is. :o
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Yo guys, refresh my memory. Which digits are the year in the newer HINs?
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After 1973 the last two digits of the HIN was the year, 73, 74, 75, etc.
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After 1973 the last two digits of the HIN was the year, 73, 74, 75, etc.
'Preciate it Rich.
Well, bleve I'm purty well prepared. Tools, fuel, battery, compression tester loaded into the truck. Gonna pick up my brother around 9am then swing by Gulfliner to get the trailer. Then it's up to Sarasota. Guy sounds pretty hard up, price now 1K or make offer.
Tbh I'd be willing to get near that # if the motor checks out okay. But the no trailer thing sucks. Sorry guys looks like the V163 might be going to meet it's maker, aka Sawsall, sooner than envisioned. Less somebody wants it? I needs that Holsclaw trailer it be sittin on
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Good luck hope it works out good for ya
Tom
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After 1973 the last two digits of the HIN was the year, 73, 74, 75, etc.
'Preciate it Rich.
Well, bleve I'm purty well prepared. Tools, fuel, battery, compression tester loaded into the truck. Gonna pick up my brother around 9am then swing by Gulfliner to get the trailer. Then it's up to Sarasota. Guy sounds pretty hard up, price now 1K or make offer.
Tbh I'd be willing to get near that # if the motor checks out okay. But the no trailer thing sucks. Sorry guys looks like the V163 might be going to meet it's maker, aka Sawsall, sooner than envisioned. Less somebody wants it? I needs that Holsclaw trailer it be sittin on
hey Doug hows about that horn on the V163 ?
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hey Doug hows about that horn on the V163 ?
Gotcha covered buddy. Started stripping the boat this aft. Horn bracket was one of the first things taken off.
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How did she look ?
Ya buy it Doug ?
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Well boys & girls. Pending any unforseen circumstances it looks like I'm the proud, yet skeptical, new owner of a '79 CVX 16.
Motor is indeed a 140 looper. Runs strong. Near 150 psi in all 4 holes? WooHoo! Has a T&H manual 4" jackplate, and hotfoot.
Boat's in decent shape overall exterior wise. But I betcha a nickel the port side stringer is rotten. Hull cracked along the edge of the strake. Bet ya another nickel it's leaking there'n making things worse. 'Flotation' boxes & transom soggy too. Floor's nice'n solid, carpet looks good. But me thinks this is a classic case of putting a fancy new floor down over a soggy core?
You're gonna love this part: Kid jumped at $600. And that was my first offer, dangit! Shoulda offered'm 4 ...?
Hey how much of a hook do you cvx16 guys have. This one has a good 3/8 - 1/2" 'bout 8 to 10 inches in from the transom?
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So, what would the CVX 16 run with the 140 on it? I'm looking at a 150 Fast Strike tomorrow morning. Appears to be in excellent condition and the dealer a couple of miles from my house has performed annual maintenance on it for the past 5 years. Last done in November 2011 and the compression is spot on.
I did pick up a hydraulic steering system dirt cheap from a salvage boat. $200 for everything. Boat had a tree fall on it dead center. OUCH!! Pulled it out today with the help of a friend.
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My '77 only has a center stringer. Bottom is flat as can be. No hook.
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Congrats Doug, sounds like a little work needed but she'll be worth it I'll bet! I'm having trouble staying on task with the GT-150 project with that 78 CVX16 sitting in the back yard! I'm closer to being done than I was 7 months ago, but darn if the CVX wouldn't be a much better "fit" for me the more I think about it. ???
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GOOD SCORE on the motor Doug !
Are ya gonna put motor on Baja while ya fix up the CVX ?
Need pictures ...
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My '77 only has a center stringer. Bottom is flat as can be. No hook.
Thanks! Din't think there was sposed to be. Are you absolutely sure there's not a piece of flat ply buried in the strakes outboard of the center stringer? Looks to me this hull is failing in exactly the same spot the V153 did.
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Yo Gregg, that's the plan: Hang the 140 on the Baja.
re the CV: It's black metalflake that somebody clearcoated a few years ago so naturally the clear is peeling off. Gel don't look all that bad actually. Interior isn't origional but in fair shape.
I have serious doubts regarding the integrity of the hull. And tbh I'm not sure I'm up to restoring another G/C right now so we'll see what happens.
Sorry the pics from the ad will have to do for now. Din't wanna jinx myself? Soon as I take possesion you'll have more pics than you can shake a stick at.
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It would be to bad to put all that time & money into the CV when your Baja is in such nice shape ...
It aint a G/C but it's is a nice lookin' boat !
It's a CV ?
I'll look at pictures again ...
EDIT ...
Looks like a CVX to me ...
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Ya it's a CVX Gregg. The only reason it's not sitting in my driveway is thus. Me'n my bro David got to Gulfliner a lil after they opened @ 9am. I asked my buddy Steve which trailer we were talkin about. He took us outside & sorta randomly pointed at one. I said, Uh Steve that one's got a boat on it ... He said yeah I know, I already told you that. I said huh?
Oh well. Rather than wait around for him to figure out what to do (because he forgot) we headed up to Sorrysota sans trailer. Too bad cuz personally I believe hauling an empty trailer along when you go look at a boat that needs one is a powerful buying tool. 'Specially if'n the boat's been for sale awhile.
Nope! There will be no thoughts of even touching the cvx 'til the Baja is right. Hate to blaspheme but in this particular scenario the Baja is a much more sound hull? Sorry ...
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Doug I'm always happy to accept donations of aluminum trim parts in case you end up parting out that CVX! ;)
Looks like a great deal on your end though and that looper should treat you well.
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Hey Ray I'll chop up a wrecked V153 or a rotten 163 but don't think I could sleep at night if'n I sawed up a cvx16. What're ya offerin for the parts btw ...
Yeah the looper tests just fine on muffs. Gotta much meaner bark than my 90. Something I forgot to do was to shift it into fwd & reverse to test the gearcase. Don't let me fergit ...?
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Remember to test the gear case....
...before you polish it, run it, get obsessed with speed, remove it to add a Bob's cone and LWP and spend a lot of money at Mad EFI...
And all I could offer for the parts would be a case of beer and a boat ride in my Grumman sportboat! Waiting for a CVX-20 Sprint that I've committed to but the owner hasn't told me when I can pick it up yet!!!
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Well the deconstruction of the V163 began yesterday & will continue til the job is finished. Don't like it anymore than you do but the dickhead PO never came up with the title. Been almost a year. And I need the trailer it's sittin on so that's the way it goes. Not to worry, salvaging all parts'n trim.
Yes. Repeat after me: Check the gearcase, check the gearcase, ...