Author Topic: Not too good of a day boating (Read 47175 times)

Rosscoe · « **Reply #120 on:** July 17, 2013, 04:03:50 PM »

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fireman24mn · « **Reply #121 on:** July 17, 2013, 06:49:29 PM »

I think I have all the stuff from the 23 it is all yours if it will help

Rosscoe · « **Reply #122 on:** July 17, 2013, 07:06:15 PM »

Quote from: fireman24mn on July 17, 2013, 06:49:29 PM

I think I have all the stuff from the 23 it is all yours if it will help

Ignition stuff? Sure it would help. Known good HEI?
Let me know when and where and I can pick up what you have. I'll be "in town" friday but don't know what your schedule is.
Seems like I have to fix something just to try to eliminate it as a possible problem.

Now my zero turn is leaking oil. When things go to h*#! does it ever stop?

wexrocks · « **Reply #123 on:** July 17, 2013, 08:47:34 PM »

Ross,
It's all part of the fun! Ok, well, this isn't the "fun" part, by any stretch. But I know how you feel, went through all the same frustrations when dealing with your same symptoms. Problem was, when I would change any part of the potential issues (fuel system and every aspect of that, carb any all potential issues with that, and ignition over and over before I went HEI) the problem seemed to be solved... until I was comfortable and miles from my dock. Then, same problem. Nobody wanted to be anywhere near me for a few weeks. And when fixed, I forgot all about it, and loved life again.

I can't say that going HEI will fix anything. But I certainly hope you can get it all straightened out, you've obviously earned some fun time. We will all face issues with these classics. But, that's the price of being unique and having some real style. Yeah, we could throw money at boat payments and repair bills, and have the same old thing everybody else has, and assume that it will mean we can have trouble free boating whenever we like, but I've seen alot of newer boats being towed over the years, and, when we've had enough for a little while, or have other things going on, we can park them and forget about them for a little while, and not have to write a check every month.

Rosscoe · « **Reply #124 on:** July 17, 2013, 08:52:34 PM »

I'll try to keep that all in mind. Its difficult right now to have anything resembling a good attitude but it will return and hopefully before the August meet.

wexrocks · « **Reply #125 on:** July 17, 2013, 09:05:03 PM »

Quote from: Rosscoe on July 17, 2013, 08:52:34 PM

I'll try to keep that all in mind. Its difficult right now to have anything resembling a good attitude but it will return and hopefully before the August meet.

Understandable. I think for a lot of guys, the meet (and others like it) are a chance to sigh in relief, and come together with others who have suffered the same trials you are experiencing.

Rosscoe · « **Reply #126 on:** July 22, 2013, 06:22:21 AM »

Big thanks to Joe for spending his Sunday afternoon diagnosing the 175. Yesterday he managed to cobble up parts to make a good HEI out of several and got it running. Hit the lake and it eventually died again. We had also added a fuel pressure gauge in between the carb and fuel pump and Joe witnessed the pressure go to zero as soon as it was dying, so next we patched in an electric pump (thanks again Jason) Cruised around again for awhile and it stumbled and nearly died again. Joe noticed the E fuel pump seemed to be starving for fuel. The pressure eventually returned.
So with the ignition was ruled out as was the fuel pump, the only thing upstream is the fuel tank and filters. Decided to try a remote tank again even though I had tried this with confusing results. Fuel pressures stayed up and motor kept running for several laps around the lake with no issue. Apparently, the outboard tank, pick up etc I used may have too small to provide enough fuel and give me similar results adding to the confusion and having to pursue all the other components.
The motor was still bogging a bit on take off so Joe adjusted the accelerator pump linkage which seemed to help. I still think the carb needs some tweaking but overall, its running pretty good. Not sure I trust it on a river in and around moving barges yet but I hope to get out several times before the meet, running remote tanks. Long term, I am going to see if its possible to get the on board tank out.
Jim stopped by to pick up a tach from Joe too and he offered to lend me a 14 gal tank. Guess I'll be running remotes at the meet.
Wish I would have taken some pics of all the cobbled up stuff we had back there. Kinda looked like the motor was on life support with all the hoses and wiring.
Thanks for your persistence Joe and thanks to Jason for you assistance in the past and the parts and to everyone who offered suggestions. Thats what this group is all about.

As a side note, I think we've identified the mysterious ticking sound. It was likely the sound of a starving fuel pump.
Very weedy near ramp. Jet sucked some of them up as well as some fishing line.

wexrocks · « **Reply #127 on:** July 22, 2013, 09:13:31 AM »

Good to hear progress! I've had pickup tubes crack before, inside the tank. Sucks air above the fuel. You can unscrew it, hold a finger over one end and blow to check that. Could be a stuck or clogged check ball in the pickup as well, I always punch them out. They've caused me much aggravation in the past.

Hyperacme · « **Reply #128 on:** July 22, 2013, 09:29:52 AM »

A friend of mine had an old Regal that would starve for fuel at times, went on for years ...
He finally pulled tank, to find a loose bolt floating around that would plug pick up from time to time ...
Maybe ya got something floating in your fuel tank ?

GOOD to hear your close to solving problem Ross !

dorelse · « **Reply #129 on:** July 22, 2013, 09:30:11 AM »

I know that the normal outboard tank uses a 1/4" pickup & line, where as my I/O and my larger OB on the CVZ-19, used 3/8"...and I couldn't find a portable tank that had a 3/8" pickup.

Seems those are only on the permanent mount & vented tanks...

Rosscoe · « **Reply #130 on:** July 22, 2013, 09:47:51 AM »

Quote from: wexrocks on July 22, 2013, 09:13:31 AM

Good to hear progress! I've had pickup tubes crack before, inside the tank. Sucks air above the fuel. You can unscrew it, hold a finger over one end and blow to check that. Could be a stuck or clogged check ball in the pickup as well, I always punch them out. They've caused me much aggravation in the past.

I'll be pulling that apart for sure.
There is stuff in there for sure, certainly rust. I can see that in the first filter out of the tank.
Doran, I've got 3/8 running to the fuel pump now and the outboard hose fit right over the barb fitting on the fuel pump? I think the smallest part of it all is the 2 pin connectors. That may have been the restriction?

dorelse · « **Reply #131 on:** July 22, 2013, 09:54:14 AM »

Cool...I figured you knew that...but just wanted to mention it.

Yes...when I was pulling Goldie's tank the rust/crap was clogging up the filters and it did absolutely cause my engine to starve for fuel. Sounds like you're on the right track.

Rosscoe · « **Reply #132 on:** July 22, 2013, 10:10:51 AM »

Quote from: dorelse on July 22, 2013, 09:54:14 AM

Cool...I figured you knew that...but just wanted to mention it.

Yes...when I was pulling Goldie's tank the rust/crap was clogging up the filters and it did absolutely cause my engine to starve for fuel. Sounds like you're on the right track.

Yea... too bad its the toughest thing to change though.

dorelse · « **Reply #133 on:** July 22, 2013, 10:13:42 AM »

Yeah, that isn't fun.

fireman24mn · « **Reply #134 on:** July 22, 2013, 10:14:45 AM »

How big is your tank and where is it at. I have one 18gal tank from the 195 in the garage still. Joe bought the other one and installed it in his boat (I think).

Or the Century parts boat has a plastic tank not sure on size though. It is in the floor but looks easy to remove as it is all rotten.

Rosscoe · « **Reply #135 on:** July 22, 2013, 10:41:22 AM »

Mine is an 18 gallon and its sits starboard to port under the bow deck. Its going to be tough if not impossible to get out. I'll be looking at it more closely today.

Jerry · « **Reply #136 on:** July 22, 2013, 10:55:47 AM »

I'm thinking there may be a gauge sender that you could remove to see what's in there. Maybe a rag or something, or a filter on the pick-up. There is also small cameras you can stick in there.

Rosscoe · « **Reply #137 on:** July 22, 2013, 11:05:18 AM »

Quote from: Jerry on July 22, 2013, 10:55:47 AM

I'm thinking there may be a gauge sender that you could remove to see what's in there. Maybe a rag or something, or a filter on the pick-up. There is also small cameras you can stick in there.

Yes, Joe has one of those cameras and offered to let me use it and I forgot about it when I left.

wexrocks · « **Reply #138 on:** July 22, 2013, 04:36:23 PM »

The quick connect on the portable tank may be the flow issue, very restrictive. Wonder if you could remove the pickup from the portable tank and hardware-store some tubing and fittings together to keep at least a 1/4" inside diameter flow throughout. Just a dumb thought (which stems from experience. bad experience) did you open the vent on the portable?

Rosscoe · « **Reply #139 on:** July 22, 2013, 04:58:15 PM »

Yup, I had the vent open. I do think the quick connect was the culprit that time.
I was looking at the tank today taking measurements and there is a slight chance I can get it out if I saw out part of the foot board or whatever it is. That will give me some additional width but rotating it to get it out will be tough because the hull obviously slants up at the bow.
There looks to be 4 access points on the top of the tank. The fill neck, the vent, the fuel line out and the sending unit. The sending unit opening might be 2" diameter if I can get the 4 rusty screws out but I cant get my head under there anyways. There is probably 6" of clearance?
Where the fuel line comes out...it appears to just have the shut off valve screwed to the tank but it must extend downward inside. I'm not sure if I'll mess with it where it is or try to remove the tank first.