Not too good of a day boating

[thedeuceman]

Yea, I got the dist sittin here, that should be an elbow on top of the tank with a tube welded into it.

[TWISTED CVX]

Big thanks to Joe for spending his Sunday afternoon diagnosing the 175. Yesterday he managed to cobble up parts to make a good HEI out of several and got it running. Hit the lake and it eventually died again. We had also added a fuel pressure gauge in between the carb and fuel pump and Joe witnessed the pressure go to zero as soon as it was dying, so next we patched in an electric pump (thanks again Jason)  Cruised around again for awhile and it stumbled and nearly died again. Joe noticed the E fuel pump seemed to be starving for fuel. The pressure eventually returned.
So with the ignition was ruled out as was the fuel pump, the only thing upstream is the fuel tank and filters. Decided to try a remote tank again even though I had tried this with confusing results. Fuel pressures stayed up and motor kept running for several laps around the lake with no issue. Apparently, the outboard tank, pick up etc I used may have too small to provide enough fuel and give me similar results adding to the confusion and having to pursue all the other components.
The motor was still bogging a bit on take off so Joe adjusted the accelerator pump linkage which seemed to help. I still think the carb needs some tweaking but overall, its running pretty good. Not sure I trust it on a river in and around moving barges yet but I hope to get out several times before the meet, running remote tanks. Long term, I am going to see if its possible to get the on board tank out.
Jim stopped by to pick up a tach from Joe too and he offered to lend me a 14 gal tank. Guess I'll be running remotes at the meet.
Wish I would have taken some pics of all the cobbled up stuff we had back there. Kinda looked like the motor was on life support with all the hoses and wiring.
Thanks for your persistence Joe and thanks to Jason for you assistance in the past and the parts and to everyone who offered suggestions. Thats what this group is all about.

As a side note, I think we've identified the mysterious ticking sound. It was likely the sound of a starving fuel pump.
Very weedy near ramp. Jet sucked some of them up as well as some fishing line.







Have you checked the anti syphon valve in the tank? Sounds like the culprit? The screen in the tank could be plugged also









j

[Rosscoe]

Not yet, I'll be looking into it over the next several days.
My zero turn has developed an oil leak now. I may try to postpone that until fall.
Always something.

[Jason]

Glad Joe was able to help you out Ross! Great guy!

[Rosscoe]

Yup, great addition to the club. Fits in with many great guys....and gals.

[Hyperacme]

Fix zero turn ... Pull tank ...strap tank to back of zero turn with a gal. of kerosine and a fist full of nuts & bolts
Cut grass ... Hit every bump you can find ... Two job done at once ... LOL

[thedeuceman]

Yep that
Then acid
Then kreem
Job done, one tenth the cost

[Rosscoe]

So I started looking at getting my tank out of the boat today and after pulling the pickup tube and discovering there was no check valve in it, I decided it needed to come out. Not a lot I could do to it in there. Unstrapped the straps holding it down, removed the fill tube and vent etc and rotated it as far as I could. The tank had some glassed in strips of wood surrounding it to help keep it from moving and the one in front of the tank was causing problems. Got out the trusty All Purpose Tool and managed to access half of it, then had to swing the tank to Port to access the other. Swing it back around Starboard and could see I was going to need every 1/8" I could get. Wires, hoses all had to go. The part of the toe kick/foot rest or whatever you want to call it. AP Tool then, then jig saw, then sawzall and a BFH. Cutting right next to the hull was a bit unnerving. Anyways got it swung around fore and aft and it came out. Tooks a lot of wiggling. Thought I was going to have to pull the seat but reclining it was good enough.  Pulled the sending unit and looked at the gunk inside. Nasty. As you can see by the pic, that is what the gas in the bottom of the tank looked like. The last 1/2 gallon or so I could not pump out. At first I thought there was no way that tank is going back in, but after doing some research, I can not find a tank that will fit correctly. If it is any bigger in any direction, regardless of how many gallons, it won't fit. So now I'm debating having this one done or doing something myself. At least I'll know everything will line up again.

[Rosscoe]

Couple more

[Rosscoe]

Fix zero turn ... Pull tank ...strap tank to back of zero turn with a gal. of kerosine and a fist full of nuts & bolts
Cut grass ... Hit every bump you can find ... Two job done at once ... LOL

Nice! I've got lots of gopher and mole holes to hit as well as ant hills.

[thedeuceman]

Hard part is done

[Rosscoe]

Hard part is done

Ya, it was very close to not coming out.

[TWISTED CVX]

So I started looking at getting my tank out of the boat today and after pulling the pickup tube and discovering there was no check valve in it, I decided it needed to come out. Not a lot I could do to it in there. Unstrapped the straps holding it down, removed the fill tube and vent etc and rotated it as far as I could. The tank had some glassed in strips of wood surrounding it to help keep it from moving and the one in front of the tank was causing problems. Got out the trusty All Purpose Tool and managed to access half of it, then had to swing the tank to Port to access the other. Swing it back around Starboard and could see I was going to need every 1/8" I could get. Wires, hoses all had to go. The part of the toe kick/foot rest or whatever you want to call it. AP Tool then, then jig saw, then sawzall and a BFH. Cutting right next to the hull was a bit unnerving. Anyways got it swung around fore and aft and it came out. Tooks a lot of wiggling. Thought I was going to have to pull the seat but reclining it was good enough.  Pulled the sending unit and looked at the gunk inside. Nasty. As you can see by the pic, that is what the gas in the bottom of the tank looked like. The last 1/2 gallon or so I could not pump out. At first I thought there was no way that tank is going back in, but after doing some research, I can not find a tank that will fit correctly. If it is any bigger in any direction, regardless of how many gallons, it won't fit. So now I'm debating having this one done or doing something myself. At least I'll know everything will line up again.

If the tank is not rusted out and toast take the tank to a machine shop and have it hot tanked. The put in a new sending unit and pick up.  Don'f forget a new pick up screen and anti syphon. Sounds like you have been going through hell!                                                                            The make that coating for tanks allso that will seal it inside.                             Good luck!

[fireman24mn]

Here is specs

[Rosscoe]

Thanks Shawn, that is pretty close except for the filler neck.

OK for those that suggested doing it myself.....how much M acid should be used? Straight or with water? Fill it or maybe just half way?
How many nuts and bolts are we talking? Couple of pounds?
I am going to pressure wash it first.

[Jerry]

all the acid and stuff comes in the kit, but you may need 2 with that size tank. You get them at motorcycle shops, so you know the size tank it;s designed for. you can use sharp rocks and you do that dry and wash it out again before you put the acid in.  One step at a time.

[thedeuceman]

I prefer rocks also, grey trap rock is the best, and shake it around alot.
and as Jerry said, if you use a coating get the kit.
i used acid on the Larson tank cuz i did not coat it.
J&P cycles... (i wrote the code that runs their distribution center)