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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Burnin Daylight on October 16, 2012, 03:29:53 PM
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We pulled the 260 stock engine out of my CV23 yesterday and parked it in OleReds garage for a while. I've started collecting some parts, I have the cam and lifters already.
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All this while talking on the phone to me Barb? You guys are excellent multi-taskers!
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Do you have an oil filter relocation kit on there?
Also Red on Reds Gold what was the advantage of setting the motor/ drive back a few inches. I understand why you would raise it but why the set back.
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What's that hoist hanging from?
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What's that hoist hanging from?
What's that hoist hanging from?
What's that hoist hanging from?
I guess i heard a echo. Cant get rid if it. Honestly. A rubber band on the gutter!
Red will have to explain the hoist, but we have pulled the engine on Burnin Daylight 3 times including his stroker and now this one, and those are the ones I'm aware of.
Do you have an oil filter relocation kit on there?
Also Red on Reds Gold what was the advantage of setting the motor/ drive back a few inches. I understand why you would raise it but why the set back.
Yes, I like it.
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Not sure what his is hanging from, but I hope to use a tree in my side yard when I pull mine.
Terry
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Terry just build an A-frame like mine. I think it should handle a 350, it did not flinch at my 120.
(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i387/ban-one_1/Phoenix%20Rising%20Rebuild/1009121151.jpg)
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Red on Reds Gold what was the advantage of setting the motor/ drive back a few inches. I understand why you would raise it but why the set back.
three reasons for moving the transom back
Raising the drive 3" reduce's the trim effect to lift the bow, moving the transom back 6 inches from the hull restored that lifting effect.
I removed just over 200 pounds weight off the motor, 30 pounds lighter by rebuilding the back seat, moving the motor back restored the balance of the hull.
Moving the motor back allowed access to the front of the motor, away from the back seat, and to use the later model power steering pump mounted above the alternator, rather than down in the bilge.
I also changed the rake of the transom from 10 degree's to 8, to straiten out the u-joint assy when trimmed up.
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What's that hoist hanging from?
The hoist is hanging on a 12" long 1/2 eye bolt through two side-by-side 2X6's and a 2x4 top plate I put there to lift stuff, I have about 10 more of those things in my shop, built up in the attic, I have lifted my boat on them, and several others, I'm going to add a couple more to swing the sprint.
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Red on Reds Gold what was the advantage of setting the motor/ drive back a few inches. I understand why you would raise it but why the set back.
three reasons for moving the transom back
Raising the drive 3" reduce's the trim effect to lift the bow, moving the transom back 6 inches from the hull restored that lifting effect.
I removed just over 200 pounds weight off the motor, 30 pounds lighter by rebuilding the back seat, moving the motor back restored the balance of the hull.
Moving the motor back allowed access to the front of the motor, away from the back seat, and to use the later model power steering pump mounted above the alternator, rather than down in the bilge.
I also changed the rake of the transom from 10 degree's to 8, to straiten out the u-joint assy when trimmed up.
I just got a 23 that I will be doing so I will be in touch if you don't mind? I need it to go faster than the 18. if you have any ideas feel free to give me a call or PM me Thanks
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Everyone's getting a CV-23! WTHeck!?!
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Not me!
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Me either
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Red on Reds Gold what was the advantage of setting the motor/ drive back a few inches. I understand why you would raise it but why the set back.
three reasons for moving the transom back
Raising the drive 3" reduce's the trim effect to lift the bow, moving the transom back 6 inches from the hull restored that lifting effect.
I removed just over 200 pounds weight off the motor, 30 pounds lighter by rebuilding the back seat, moving the motor back restored the balance of the hull.
Moving the motor back allowed access to the front of the motor, away from the back seat, and to use the later model power steering pump mounted above the alternator, rather than down in the bilge.
I also changed the rake of the transom from 10 degree's to 8, to straiten out the u-joint assy when trimmed up.
I just got a 23 that I will be doing so I will be in touch if you don't mind? I need it to go faster than the 18. if you have any ideas feel free to give me a call or PM me Thanks
This one Sean? http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/boa/3290748511.html (http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/boa/3290748511.html)
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Red, is your ceiling made of trusses? Now I don't feel so worried about my truss hoist. I put a steel I beam across 5 trusses with an electric hoist. Lifted a 800lb 460 without creaking.
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Am I the only one that is less creative and uses a cherry picker?
(http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/45816/2983984440084817080S500x500Q85.jpg)
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I built my shop, all joints drilled and screwed together, like truss's, 16"centers, with 2X8 ceiling joice', and two 20' "dead men" spanning most of the 2X8's
call anytime fireman, evenings better, 405-810-8044
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Since this is "Just a Teaser", I assume you're not going to share the big picture of the plan with us yet Barb? Sounding very interesting already though.......
Going for a freshen-up and slight warming of HP, or full out SCREAMER motor?
Definitely a cherry picker fan here too Kert, it was one of the first big tools I bought when getting back into this "hobby"/obsession. (Couldn't manage without it, quite frankly.) I know some of the gang with I/O's have problems getting them to lift high enough to clear the motor coming out though, so the hoist or A-frames would come in better for them I guess.
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Yes it is
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Yes it is
Nice! Hull certainly looks good in blue!
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Am I the only one that is less creative and uses a cheery picker?
(http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/45816/2983984440084817080S500x500Q85.jpg)
Got of those too... That is usually the best and safest way to go but sometime you just don't have enough reach or height with one of those.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/P1040386.jpg)
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I can't use the cherry pickers hardly at all because when I lower the back of the boat so the motor will come over the transom, the picker leg's won't go under the trailer, and to extend the lift beam only is likely to tilt forward. I trust my old chain hoist.
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yea, this is how I got around that. Not a real smart idea either but works. Anyway, I'll stop hi-jacking your thread now.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/101506002.jpg)
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Well the engine isn't the only thing that we had to remove. Today the trailer got a new master cylinder, new wheel cylinders, and some new brake lines. I guess I'll actually be able to stop it with the Tacoma now. I forgot to mention that the transom, stringers and floor got Reds blessing as not needing to be replaced. Whew..... now I can direct more funds towards the engine and drive....
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Good, so we might get to see Hot Knots at Ratbun?
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What's that hoist hanging from?
Structural gutters??? ;D
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Since this is "Just a Teaser", I assume you're not going to share the big picture of the plan with us yet Barb? Sounding very interesting already though.......
Going for a freshen-up and slight warming of HP, or full out SCREAMER motor?
Hey Mark, the first time I met Barb was at a boat show here in Okc, I didn't really get to check her boat out before she got it in the lake, and I heard her fire that baby up and take off across the lake, something in me pushed away from the dock and I took out after her in Red's Gold, I passed her up and gave her a wave. When we got back to the park, she came up to me and ask what kinda motor I had in my boat, I told her, and she ask if I could build another one just like it, and of course I said yes, and give her a price, but then I told her I would sell her the motor that just passed her up, and I'd finish the stroker I was building for my boat, and she took me up on it, but here's the serious part ... she told me that she didn't like me passing her up like I did, and that she didn't want that to happen again, well, as much as she is trying to be responsible, be conservitive, regardless of what she tell Kat, I can tell, she can't walk past this other vortec sitting in my garage with-out focusing her attention to it, and she's already said she can hear it say "build me" every time she passes by it. Barb is going to turning the wrench's on this build, for the most part, I'll be twisting the head bolts, rods and mains probably, but she's going to get her first build under her belt by spring for sure, and it's a pretty sure bet that I'll be putting the motor out of "Hot Knots" into the sprint project ... just a speculation on my part ya know, no promise's
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Thanks for the insight/speculation Red, I thought I remembered you having the extra motor in the shop. But with the number of projects you guys crank out, it's hard to keep up! I'm sure Barb will make a great student in the motor building class, she's got the "attention to detail" thing that's required down pat! (Plus she'll have a great mentor.)
Good on ya for tackling those trailer brakes Barb, safety first! That's NOT a fun job I know, but the peace of mind will make the payoff well worth the effort IMHO.
Sure hope we all get to make the Red Wing trip next year, I've got so many people I want to meet and so many G/C's I want to check out! (I'd love to make the IA meet as well, but have to be realistic about the travel $ budget.)
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What's that hoist hanging from?
I was wondering the same thing.
As far as the trailer brakes go... are they surge brakes? I assume they are. Any trouble locating a new master cylinder Red? I need to do the same thing. Brake cylinders and likely the master since I can not get it to pump up any presure.
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Brake and Equipment has everything. Let me know I have a wholesale account,
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Am I the only one that is less creative and uses a cheery picker?
I guess i'm in the middle ground...
(http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab302/beardedsalmon/Picture0023.jpg)
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As far as the trailer brakes go... are they surge brakes? I assume they are. Any trouble locating a new master cylinder Red? I need to do the same thing. Brake cylinders and likely the master since I can not get it to pump up any presure
Yes, they are surge brakes, it's an Atwood master cylinder, common, our trailer supply had everything right on the shelf.
You may be able to get pressure from your master cylinder by bleeding it first, I put the ball mount out of my truck into the hitch, used it for a handle, disconnected the brake line off the master cylinder, pushed the hitch down, put my finger on the brake line fitting, lifted the hitch up, allowing suction to draw fluid into the piston cylinder, a couple times and fluid squirts out, then hook up the brake line and bleed the nearest brake cylinder first, then the other.
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Am I the only one that is less creative and uses a cheery picker?
I guess i'm in the middle ground...
If you have the middle ground I must have the high ground. I don't have a cheery picker for my pickup but I do have a Bigger Picker.
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IAm I the only one that is less creative and uses a cheery picker?
I guess i'm in the middle ground...
If you have the middle ground I must have the high ground. I don't have a cheery picker for my pickup but I do have a Bigger Picker.
AWESOME! I want one.
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Cherry picker for the 18, fork lift for the 20. I was a lot more comfortable with the picker. Either way, no casualties.
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Now that my garage is open this works pretty good
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This one is for light lifting like outboards and the front of a trailer. It's a people lift to get handicapped people up out of bed.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/50sflash/IMG_0078Large.jpg)
This is for the heavy stuff.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/50sflash/IMG_0076Large.jpg)
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Is anyone still interested in what the hoist might be lifting back into Hot Knots?
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YES !!!
So sorry for hijacking yer thread to show off our lifting abilities.
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Too late....I'm not talking....(does anybody know where I can find a 400 small block?)
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Barb !
shhhh ...
::)
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HEY!
No more teasing, or we will keep posting lifting pictures..... There has got to be a picture somewhere of Jerry hanging from a hoist!
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Since we are talking about hanging and lifting.... I made this to work on my truck... ;D
(http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/47909/2223289420084817080S500x500Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/48728/2668127890084817080S500x500Q85.jpg)
Hijacking will continue until pictures of Hot Knots with a 400 appear ;)
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At least give me til Feb or Mar. I have to find a drive that I won't destroy.
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Is there such a thing as "aluminum envy" ?
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Barb, do you just need a block?
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Yea Jerry, if I have a block I'll get it to the machine shop and figure out what type heads etc from there. You got a lead in a cheap one?
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pretty! you will need to find some glass valve covers now!
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Since we are talking about hanging and lifting.... I made this to work on my truck... ;D
(http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/47909/2223289420084817080S500x500Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/48728/2668127890084817080S500x500Q85.jpg)
Hijacking will continue until pictures of Hot Knots with a 400 appear ;)
That's great! What a creative bunch we are.
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There's one in my garage you can have. It has some rust, so let me take it to the machine shop and see if they can clean it up.
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Jerry, let me check with the authorities and get back with you before you get involved with the machine shop. I'm still just an engine apprentice. My most important job is that I'm the bank. I kind of like it that way, otherwise I would have an overpowered engine and an underfunded bank account.
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Too late....I'm not talking....(does anybody know where I can find a 400 small block?)
I'm curious as to what you're up to.
I currently have a 400sbc in the garage that I'm going to build and stuff in my intimidator.....
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I've made my decision. This morning I bought that vortec 350 block from Red, and I want to duplicate the 357 that is in my Intimidator. Its very dependable and actually economical if I keep it in the primaries on the carb. That engine pushed his gold Scimitar over 70 and it should be powerful enough for my needs in the CV23. I will have the expense also of another drive, and I'm pretty sure a new prop, so in order to not break the bank but still be able to run with the pack that is what I intend to do. The block is going to the machine shop on Friday, and sometime after Thanksgiving I will start putting it all together.
Intimidated, good luck with your 400 SBC. I ran Reds 387 stroker in Burnin Daylight at Red Wing and the difference was minimal (2 mph) not enough to make me want to build a higher torque engine. Actually the response on that engine was almost instantaneous, but I was running a high dollar 25 pitch Power Tech prop with it that really woke it up. I think I remember you took the hook out of your hull, so your performance will possibly surpass what I was able to obtain.
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I just called and found a 350 Vortec heads and block that I will be picking up for my 23 as well.
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Intimidated, good luck with your 400 SBC. I ran Reds 387 stroker in Burnin Daylight at Red Wing and the difference was minimal (2 mph) not enough to make me want to build a higher torque engine. Actually the response on that engine was almost instantaneous, but I was running a high dollar 25 pitch Power Tech prop with it that really woke it up. I think I remember you took the hook out of your hull, so your performance will possibly surpass what I was able to obtain.
I have a soft spot for 400's and have had good luck over the years with them in cars so I figure'd I'd build one for the boat. Yes, I minimized the hook which free'd up the hull and added some speed. Hopefully the effects will be more noticeable with more power.
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Brake and Equipment has everything. Let me know I have a wholesale account,
Will do Jerry.
Thanks for the tip Red. I'd rather get this one working then replace it if possible. I'll try this first.
More lifting.
Just not quite enough room to squeak by.
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Put a block on the little dolly, set the axle on the block by the spring shakles .. less chance for the drum to come off the dolly, and will give you another inch or so.
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Lower engine.
take of carb.
snug up chain so it is almost straight.
Then try it again. Should give you another 4".
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You can take that flat bar with two holes in it between the trolley and chain hoist off too and hang the chain hoist hook directly to the trolley's rod.
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Wait, Ross, I thought your motor was already in and you had this on the water. Is this an old picture?
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Guess who just bought this for her new motor...
INTAKE MANIFOLD, WATER PUMP, AND VALVE COVERS
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You just Got to put one of these babies on that manifold Barb
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/main_image1.jpg)
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Red,
I like the Edelbrock... had it apart many times this year getting the new motor dialed in, and I like the design.
I am however, stepping up 100 cfm, then dyno running for optimum jetting over the winter. this motor absolutely rips, but it's got more. way more. you can tell it needs more carb. it's over 450 hp now, but I think optimal timing, optimal cfm, and optimal jetting will put it close to or at 500 hp. the Edelbrock is a good carb, I recommend it to anyone who understands carbs and can dial them... there are alot of variables with the Edelbrock that other carbs don't have, but if you know how to tune it, it allows alot more ability to tune. jetting, needle progression, variable springs for secondaries... very nice.
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Is that the same as an Carter AFB ?
I had one on a 350 in a 70 gmc, liked it way better than the holly's I had at the time.
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Hey Steve
been wondering about you, and yes, I've stepped up to a 750 on my stroker, and I'd like to ge it to a dyno this winter also, but that sure scared me the last time I took amotor to a dyno, I thought they were just trying to blow it up.
and Yes again, the Edlebrock carbs are basically the same as the old afb carter, but somewhere down the line webber got in the loop, and someone else also ? don't remember
http://www.chrysler300country.com/carter_carburetor_company_2.htm (http://www.chrysler300country.com/carter_carburetor_company_2.htm)
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A couple of days ago I ordered a brand new set of aluminum exhaust manifolds with 4" risers from Dennis Moore Performance Marine. I just got an email back from them that they are out of stock until mid January. I guess it's a good thing that I really don't need them until spring. I have been in a new performance parts ordering frenzy for the last couple of weeks. I am still in need of finding an electric high volume fuel pump for late model SBC with the mounting bracket. Prefer new, don't really want used parts on the fuel system. Red took that SBC vortec block to the machine shop last week and we expect it to be there for about 3 weeks. Looks like I will be able to start putting things together sometime in Dec.
An update on Hot Knots: she is over at the local canvas shop getting a new custom towing cover made, and a few of the buttons on the upholstery repaired and replaced. Supposed to pick her up Friday or Monday I think. She looks kind of pitiful with that big empty hole in the transom.
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Wait, Ross, I thought your motor was already in and you had this on the water. Is this an old picture?
Yea old pic. Not plan on doing this again, at least any time soon.
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Here is a pic of some of the parts that have made it to the house this week. And the book is from Red.
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Fast shipping, where did you buy them from? Do you have a speed goal in mind? ;D
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Please don't shoot the messenger here for asking a stupid question. My limited non-outboard marine engine experience is based on assisting three re-powerings of a Switzer Jet (Olds 400 to 455 to modified 455) and various car re-tweakings - but I pale in comparison to most on this forum - so just a stupid curiosity question.
Has anyone ever tried either a Holly Pro-Jection (throttle body injection), or even a Predator variable venturi carb on any marine applications? I think they're still made (although price might be an issue), but seems like either would allow for more precise tuning than a typical carb (even a high performance type) and more lower rpm torque.
Maybe neither is allowed by the Coast Guard though, and maybe a simple web search would have told me. As I said, just had to ask opinion of those here out of nothing more than curiosity since I have no current plans to actually play that way myself (although I'm always amazed at how what isn't planned frequently turns into the next thing to work on). ;)
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Here is a pic of some of the parts that have made it to the house this week. And the book is from Red.
Going to need sunglasses, no welding goggles, to look into that engine compartment. Chrome goodies look great can't wait to see them on the engine. Chrome Envy anyone?
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Please don't shoot the messenger here for asking a stupid question. My limited non-outboard marine engine experience is based on assisting three re-powerings of a Switzer Jet (Olds 400 to 455 to modified 455) and various car re-tweakings - but I pale in comparison to most on this forum - so just a stupid curiosity question.
Has anyone ever tried either a Holly Pro-Jection (throttle body injection), or even a Predator variable venturi carb on any marine applications? I think they're still made (although price might be an issue), but seems like either would allow for more precise tuning than a typical carb (even a high performance type) and more lower rpm torque.
Maybe neither is allowed by the Coast Guard though, and maybe a simple web search would have told me. As I said, just had to ask opinion of those here out of nothing more than curiosity since I have no current plans to actually play that way myself (although I'm always amazed at how what isn't planned frequently turns into the next thing to work on). ;)
I'm going to match an Edelbrock 650 CFM with that Edelbrock Performer intake.
Fast shipping, where did you buy them from? Do you have a speed goal in mind? ;D
The parts all came from different performance parts houses. This engine will have just a few more ponies than the 357 that is in my Intimidator. I plan to have it dyno'd and tuned in before it's put in the bilge of this CV23.
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Barb, I might be persuaded to give ya a good deal on a Edelbrock 650... unless of course you are getting Red's. I'm going to a 750 on my stroker, the 650 will be available. One short season on it and all stock.
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Wex, I will send you a PM in a while. Headed to Dr to find outta other shoulder has to be replaced. Arrgggg.
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More parts for Hot Knots. Corsa thru hull tuneable exhaust mufflers bought on ebay.
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Nice find Barb! Can't wait to see and hear Hot Knots!