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Title: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on September 05, 2016, 07:07:06 PM
Even the ugly ones need to be saved.....74cv-18.     Check out the outdrive..      Never seen one like it.   Have a 302 ford-mercruiser  to replace the old merc.-kiekhaefer.  Water intake under hull like a jet.   Full railing from windshield to transom.     What a "can of worms" have I opened.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Jason on September 05, 2016, 08:36:10 PM
That outdrive can't be original. Is it? Was it a jet before? Seems like most of these I see are 351 Jets.

Only made two years 74-75. Seem to be somewhat rare.

Can't wait to watch this project!
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: dorelse on September 05, 2016, 08:44:11 PM
Yeah...never seen one up close!

Should be a fun project!
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Hyperacme on September 06, 2016, 09:22:03 AM
Water intake under hull ?
Very COOL !
I'm emailing you a PDF with more Mercruiser info.

Mercruiser stuff ...
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=3736.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=3736.0)
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Jason on September 06, 2016, 10:46:00 AM
So a 351 jet in 74. 455 Jet in 75. Mercruiser 200 (351?) both years.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on September 06, 2016, 12:05:15 PM
All the other cv-18s I've seen have been jets, so when I saw this one with a l/o I had to see it.  And after looking at it and saying "no thanks, to much work" . He said do you want it because  I'm just going to scrap it... The words I hate... He also had a compleat mercruiser ford 302 that he was going to put into it. So I gave him some cash,will below that it was worth and now I have another major project..  I've never seen an outdrive like this one and it must be original because you can see the glass work is.   Any info on that outdrive??? I'd like to know what it is.  It has the same emblem that's on old merc outboards. I'll try to get a picture and post.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Jason on September 06, 2016, 12:33:14 PM
Looks like a Mercruiser ii drive. 1962-69.

This site has exploded part drawings: https://www.marineengine.com/parts/mercruiser-sterndrive-parts/ (https://www.marineengine.com/parts/mercruiser-sterndrive-parts/)

Now that you mention the glasswork it does look original. How that ended up on that boat is beyond me. Special order? Dealer install?
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Hyperacme on September 06, 2016, 01:10:32 PM
Buckaroo post some pictures of his CVC18 jet on CGOA ...
http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10218&start=70 (http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10218&start=70)

Your must have been a I/O from the start, unless it was totally rebuilt at some point.

More pictures on CGOA ...

(http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=22587&mode=view)
(http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=22592&mode=view)
(http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=22593&mode=view)
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on September 06, 2016, 05:37:22 PM
Took a little closer look at this outdrive today.. Everything on it is huge.. Shafts,Rams,prop... Looks like it should be on some 40' cruiser not a 18' glastron..  Closer look at the glass also. if it was a conversion it was done when it was new. 
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Hyperacme on September 07, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Is that the "Water pick up" you were talking about ?
Maybe Rich will know what it is ...
Looks like the jet version has something in same spot, but not used.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Jason on September 07, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
I read somewhere instead of tilting up out of the water it rotates to the left. Look like that is true? The trim cylinders must be just for trim.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on September 07, 2016, 12:14:20 PM
Yes,that looks like the same place the water pick-up is.   Jason, do you mean the hole outdrive twists out of the way?   There is a round collar that could go all the way through..  Could be,the tilt doesn't go up very far.  And the Rams are about twice as thick as a regular mercruiser.   Need to find out what this is......
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Jason on September 07, 2016, 12:40:25 PM
Looks like maybe it's suppose to have a manual crank on the inside.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on September 08, 2016, 06:41:45 PM
Picked up the donor motor-out drive last night. It's all there and is "suppose to" run.  I'm going to wire it up and see what happens.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Carlson_from_Germany on September 09, 2016, 02:45:28 AM
I've seen quite a few CV18 with a sterndrive. But all of them were Volvos.
We even have one here in Hamburg.
Sure is an odd outdrive though.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Carlson_from_Germany on September 09, 2016, 03:07:32 AM
Here are a few pics of Volvo CV18s:
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Carlson_from_Germany on September 09, 2016, 03:09:08 AM
The CVCs had two different engine covers, one with a cushion on top which was the jet and the other one with a full fiberglass cover - the sterndrive. On this CV18 you can see the sterndrive engine cover. It seems this was not an option on the CVs?
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Hyperacme on September 09, 2016, 08:34:45 AM
SO ... some one got the old Mercruiser to fit into the Volvo cut out ?
The blue CV with the low windshield looks kind of cool ...
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Rosscoe on September 10, 2016, 11:18:21 AM
Cool
Glad you saved that one Bryan.
That water intake is nothing like the set up on my jet.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on September 10, 2016, 06:23:09 PM
I'm pretty sure that the water intake is for cooling of the motor not a jet. I would just like to see what it looked like with the motor and outdrive connected. Still have not been able to find any pictures of the old merc. Fury iekhaefer outdrive. On the other side I got the donor motor all wired up and it almost came to life before the starter gave up. Now that everything looks possible I have to put it on the back burner and finish the other two I'm doing first. the 73 cv-16 is all striped and ready to start building stringers and floor.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on June 24, 2017, 08:05:50 AM
Oops, I did it again!    Found this the other day and had to go look... Yep! Brought it home!   75 cv-18 with Volvo out drive. Motor has blown frost plugs, but I have a couple spare ones.   Wood is good!!!!  Nice hard floor.  Nice dash only missing the glove box cover. Windshield is the nicest I've seen.  Paint is a realy bad, so that's going to be hardest part.  I'll drop a differant motor in clean it up and who knows.. Maybe have it at the gathering in August. 
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Hyperacme on June 24, 2017, 09:45:31 AM
NICE !
Are the railing good ?

From CL ad ...

CV18 I/O ? ? ?

1975 18ft speed boat with trailer - $800 (Shakopee/jordan
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/boa/6181372239.html

1975 boat with trailer. Trailer is heavy built
Has 200hp engine which DOES NOT operate.
Lots of potential here if want a project
Its been stored inside but we live on a dirt road so its dusty
I have the title for it , Text with questions or if you want to see it
Ken

(https://images.craigslist.org/01212_gWpYYcLVvt2_1200x900.jpg)
(https://images.craigslist.org/00303_lDpNgUZ061N_1200x900.jpg)
(https://images.craigslist.org/00b0b_8drbSlWl53R_1200x900.jpg)
(https://images.craigslist.org/00I0I_kjJR7T0Eq3i_1200x900.jpg)
(https://images.craigslist.org/00p0p_leAUhQr2Lat_1200x900.jpg)
(https://images.craigslist.org/00l0l_fY3X71G0efJ_1200x900.jpg)
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on June 24, 2017, 12:39:39 PM
Yep. That's it,and no I got it for a lot less.      Once I got it out and into the light it looked to good to pass, especially since I have everything I think it needs. The railings are great and the windshield is clear.  The railings on the blue one I have are also great but the shield is cloudy so if anyone needs some railings or parts let me know. I will probably part out the blue one and put the motor I have in this one. The trailer has to go..... it's just to crude for me to use. Should be worth it's weight in scrap. Unless anyone wants it?   
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: V153 on June 24, 2017, 06:35:21 PM
Cool! Looks promising?
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on July 01, 2017, 09:15:02 AM
Played with the duck 2 a little today to see if it would run.... Didn't take long...No good... Motor froze .. But I have a good one to swap.. I've taken many mercruisers out but not any volvos or is it omc?... Never could tell them apart.. Any help please..What's the easy 1.2.3. On pulling the motor on this one?        By the way.. If anyone wants this trailer let me know.. Cheep! 
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Hyperacme on July 01, 2017, 12:29:01 PM
I have a manual for the 270 Outdrive...
Got it off the Volvo web site ... Can send you a link.
Not easy to find stuff on the site , but there was stuff for older drives and motors.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on July 02, 2017, 09:10:23 AM
That would be great please post it.   I have watched a few on utube and it looks basically the same as merc. Only compleatly differant.   :)  I'll give it a try and let you all know.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Hyperacme on July 02, 2017, 09:58:23 AM
Sent link in a PM.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on July 02, 2017, 04:47:45 PM
The gimbal shaft seems to be stuck in the motor... Merc's I've been able to pry against something and get it put. But the Volvo doesn't seem to have anything to pry on to get it loose-free, any ideas out there??   
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Jason on July 03, 2017, 06:47:50 AM
Could you rig up a slide hammer some how? Maybe with a chain? Get some penetrating oil (ATF/Acetone) on the shaft?
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Plugcheck on July 03, 2017, 07:32:50 AM
Big tree, long chain, and about 30mph should do it!   Seriously though, no idea, never worked on one of those.  If all the fasteners are out, and it's just the shaft corroded in the coupler, I'd probably use a Porto power, or in it's absence, a couple of small Jack's and a bar to wedge it off.  Fairly sizable drive, prob be hard to motivate it with a slide hammer.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on July 03, 2017, 05:01:52 PM
It's not a big tree but it seams to hold it with the come-a-long. Sprayed with p.b. Now I'll see what happens..   I'll try 30 mph next.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: V153 on July 03, 2017, 06:03:47 PM
Way I see it nobody's ever overdosed on PB Blaster and patience. Let the juice work ...
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Plugcheck on July 03, 2017, 09:41:36 PM
Just thinking of another angle, we are all accustomed to the input shaft having splines and providing the slip joint action, but could the type of drive use splines in the outdrive head and the driveshaft actually bolts to the engine?
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on July 04, 2017, 08:30:52 AM
Anyone know if I can pull the motor from the bell housing without removing the outdrive?
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on July 04, 2017, 07:18:47 PM
First high of the day!   Went outside today and gave the outdrive a hit with the hammer and out it came! Pb blaster and time.   Pulled it back into the garage and pulled the motor out pulled all the small stuff off the old one.. Pulled the "good motor" I've Been holding onto for the last 4 years, got some of the small stuff off it to get it ready, pulled the old motor mount off and... One of the frost plugs was gone.  And now the low of the day.   Pulled the oil plug and nothing but Water for the first few seconds. Got almost 2 gal of oil filled water out of it. So I'm guessing the "good motor" is also junk.   Anyone want a project?? 
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: fireman24mn on July 21, 2017, 11:26:56 AM
Found a motor for ya.

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/bpo/d/mercruiser-engine/6228464202.html
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on July 21, 2017, 06:23:20 PM
That would work great if it was a 302 ford, than I would be all over it..  Thanks I'm still looking! Anyone have a spare 302?   I want to use all the rest of the parts off the original motor-Outdrive. And not have to change the boat.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on June 20, 2018, 09:14:45 PM
So I see this add on Craig’s list.... that boat looks familiar...  yep.. called the guy, and he was glad to hear from me. Turns out he ran into some bad luck and lost the boat...I’ll just leave it at that.. the boat was his grandfathers that he bought and fixed up and repainted it.. had fun then.. lost it.   Wanted it back and I said no problem, if anyone finds one of my old toys that I want back I would do the same... I told him what I had into so far and would let him have it for that and he was excited... but... hard times means he couldn’t come up with the cash.. I told him I’d keep it for him until he can come up the cash. So how knows maybe in a few weeks the old gal can go back home..
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on April 21, 2019, 06:27:14 PM
So after two winters in storage it’s time to get the duck looking more like a swan... I put it away when I got a good motor in it and now it’s time to finish... got it home and with the shrink wrap on it ,it was like opening a new Easter present... got it all stripped naked today and now it’s time to get all the baby poop brown chameleon paint off and see what under. 
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on April 30, 2019, 06:21:54 PM
I knew there was a glastron under all that crappy paint just screaming to get out.... and it does... why would anyone cover up such nice lines?   Hopefully within the next couple weeks the swan will emerge.... gotta love that “swoosh”...   
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Jason on May 02, 2019, 10:53:37 AM
Wow! How did you remove the paint?
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on May 02, 2019, 11:56:10 AM
Sanding, sanding, sanding, sanding and some more sanding :P
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on May 11, 2019, 02:25:38 PM
It’s all in sealer now.    Got a few runs so I have to fix that before the paint.. hopefully tomorrow. The more I paint the less I know.... Anyone want to give lessons on how to paint?   
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on May 12, 2019, 07:58:41 PM
Back in color.... didn’t turn out so bad... little wet sanding and a buff should look nice. The swan is coming out...   colors, orange crush pearl and Wimbledon white.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Glastronjohn18 on May 12, 2019, 08:55:33 PM
Looking Good. It doesn't look like you need much guidance in painting. My painting skills stop at a rattle can.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on May 15, 2019, 05:50:13 PM
Time to put it back together..
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Hyperacme on May 15, 2019, 06:42:54 PM
" orange crush pearl "
LOVE the color !
Looks GREAT !
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Plugcheck on May 15, 2019, 08:16:41 PM
I've amateur painted vehicles for 30 years, and honestly, your work looks great.  Seems over the years they found a way to formulate products that allow us to recover from the mistakes we all make.  Nothing to be ashamed of, I think it looks great.  Hope to see it in person in August.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Hyperacme on May 23, 2019, 08:20:10 AM
Someone in Europe did a custom windshield on his CV18.
Looks kind of cool ..
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on May 29, 2019, 06:46:01 PM
Well it only took 2 1/2 yrs. but my “quick flip” is done...
 The ugly duck is now a swan...
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on May 29, 2019, 06:51:23 PM
Couple more
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Hyperacme on May 29, 2019, 07:02:22 PM
VERY VERY NICE !
Look great !
Love the color ..
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: dorelse on May 29, 2019, 07:33:04 PM
Looking great!  When's the water trial?
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: thedeuceman on May 29, 2019, 10:01:36 PM
Amazing work!


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Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Plugcheck on May 29, 2019, 10:33:33 PM
Very nicely done, hope to see it in August.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: carlsoncvx18 on May 30, 2019, 05:44:49 AM
Looking good Brian nice work.

Sounds like we will be around in August.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: Oldfishguy on May 30, 2019, 07:55:08 AM

Stunning!

That is one lucky boat to have someone care for it.
Title: Re: Next project: ugly duckling
Post by: nes-cv23 on May 30, 2019, 11:48:34 AM
Still have a few tweaks to do to the motor but hopefully I’ll get it in the water soon.. my brother bought it from me so it will be at the gathering at T.I.and we are looking forward to it. The hole family is coming and are bringing all my project boats.. I am just an amateur so they are not ”showboats” but I like to call them “go boats”.. .   “ keep them on the water !”