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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: OleRed on December 12, 2010, 08:13:17 PM
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I need a motor cover like the Intimidator - CV - CVX V-8 style
I'm making a "slight" modification to my Scimitar, thinking about putting one of those on it
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Hmm... Slight modification? If it's a modification that needs more under hood clearance, sounds like tunnel ram... Blower...???
Maybe just a different look for the engine cover? Now I'm curious!!!
Anyway, hopefully someone can hook you up with an engine cover, I know some of them look alot like an L-88 chevy scoop that would be available in a fiberglass aftermarket piece by itself without a hood.
I'm sure we'll all be waiting to hear what the "slight" modification will be...
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well ... I sold the motor out of my boat, gonna build me a new one, I ordered the Scat 383 stroker kit yesterday, and bought a really Kool looking EFI set-up .. I don't know what it's called for sure, but it's a Lot taller than the carb and intake, it kinda looks like the Mercruiser 525 set-up, but it's for a small block. I'll try to get pictures of it tomorrow. It is a multiport fuel injection system on a high rise, it's Mercruiser stuff for a 430hp small block, never been installed and it's all plug-in stuff, computer, ignition system, fuel pump, barametric pressure, knock .. all the sensors, a wiring harness that looks like I better get someone else to hook it up when I get it installed.
Kinda looks like this
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383 stroker... good plan! that's what is going in my Scimitar as well (eventually) but mine will probably just be a boring old carb motor. ;)
gonna go with the vortec heads on this one as well?
I don't suppose the old powerplant is going in a certain boat to make it a little more "intimidating"...?
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Shhhh!
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Oh, right... Shhhhh...... ;)
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Shhhh!
::) Ooops .. He's on to us Barb
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I ordered the Scat 383 stroker kit yesterday, and bought a really Kool looking EFI set-up
Very cool! 8) Hood off a CVX18 like mine would work good and look decent. Could be tough to find one though unless your ready to buy a parts boat.
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Red you couldn't keep it quiet long...longer than expected. I told Debra the other night when you called me you were as giddy as a kid in a candy store. Say when, I'll bring my wrenches.
;D
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There's a CV-17 cover just listed on ebay, maybe it'll work for ya?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Glastron-CV-17-Original-Engine-Cover-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4cf3cda9dfQQitemZ330507856351QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear#ht_1130wt_952 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Glastron-CV-17-Original-Engine-Cover-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4cf3cda9dfQQitemZ330507856351QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear#ht_1130wt_952)
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What .. that is going to be interfering with your media platform!!! ;D
(http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq332/Hotwired-II/08-20-10%20Big%20Meet/IMG_0920.jpg)
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There's a CV-17 cover just listed on ebay, maybe it'll work for ya?
Looks a lot like a CVX/CVZ-18 engine cover to me. Did they even make a CV17? ???
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l93/blinddate/cvx18backseat-1.jpg)
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Shhhh" LOL
cat is out of the bag.
MORE POWER Red! 8)
You'll have to tell us more. What comes in the "kit"?
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Hey Fever .. yes, the CVX 18 will work probably, I got a bid in on the one on Ebay, thanks Rich, but the 1976 CV-16 cover is just a bit taller in the back, would work better, but thats the plan, motor cover with padded side cusions, maybe seperated, not sure.
I been doing some shopping. :)
I went down to the machine shop and took a few pic's of the EFI stuff, it's about 12 or 13 years old stuff, never been on the water though, the motor the stuff was on, some of it, was run on a dyno at the Mercruiser plant in Stillwater Ok. as a demo, running on compressed natural gas, but the idea was abandoned because the CNG did not get approved for marine use. The motor went into a pick-up, and the EFI stuff has been stored in a box ever since, the fellow I got this stuff from was the brain child of the experiment, and he is going to hook it all up for me when I get the motor built, and all the stuff bolted on.
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What .. that is going to be interfering with your media platform!!! ;D
Good Gosh Chris ... those are not Really my leg's .. you Must have done a photo Chop .. Please .. tell me ya did.
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LOL .. sorry OleRed ... ;D caught you showing off your dancing legs! :o
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Wow that's some really nice stuff Red. The 5.7 EFI in my '97 SeaRay is throttle body. Not sure when they went to multi port, maybe the same time they started using Vortec motors. I'd love to go EFi when I stick a new motor in my boat but probably won't happen. Not sure it would fit anyways.
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Hey Red .. want to bump up you HP a bit more?? Here are a pair of 502 EFI's.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/boa/2068063731.html
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Hey Red .. want to bump up you HP a bit more?? Here are a pair of 502 EFI's.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/boa/2068063731.html
Wow, there is just no end to what you can do.
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Sure Chris, those motors are not that far from you ... go on over and Confinscate them, that green Ford will carry both of them, tell the guy you're a Cop, and it is against the Law list those things so cheap..I'm sure he will let to load em up
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ya really think that will work??? OK .. be right back. :-/
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well ... I sold the motor out of my boat, gonna build me a new one, I ordered the Scat 383 stroker kit yesterday, and bought a really Kool looking EFI set-up .. I don't know what it's called for sure, but it's a Lot taller than the carb and intake, it kinda looks like the Mercruiser 525 set-up, but it's for a small block. I'll try to get pictures of it tomorrow. It is a multiport fuel injection system on a high rise, it's Mercruiser stuff for a 430hp small block, never been installed and it's all plug-in stuff, computer, ignition system, fuel pump, barametric pressure, knock .. all the sensors, a wiring harness that looks like I better get someone else to hook it up when I get it installed.
Kinda looks like this
Okay, I am down with this. Way cool! I really dig the idea of a modern EFI technology under the hood of a classic application. I look forward to seeing the YouTube videos. ;D
I have been pondering this combination since I first read the post a few days ago. I am confused on the direction you are going and hoping you can offer some insight into your thinking.
A SBC 383 is known as a stroker motor. The long stroke yields great torque numbers. However, the long stroke is also a limiter to higher RPMs compared to a short stroke motor like a SBC 302.
Four-cycle motors aren't really happy when run at WOT for extended periods - like in a boat. So I surmise you are intending to make most of the 383's power through torque at a lower RPM than what you have previously been running.
I was fine through that thinking, but then I realized you would need to change the gearing / prop just like changing the differential gears in a car. That would allow you to take advantage of the 383's torque by either spinning the prop faster, or by the prop taking a bigger bite out of the water. Either way, more water would move for a single revolution of the crankshaft.
However, a boat is unlike a car in that there is no torque converter or clutch to compensate for starting speeds. Once the boat is in gear, away you go.
I guess my question comes down to... With the 383's torque and (presumably) changed gears / prop, won't this make the boat a bit of a handful at port speed?
This is one of the challenges (but NOT a complaint ;D) I have with my boat - the 24p prop makes my idle speed at about 7-8mph through the 5mph 'no wake' zones. Docking is challenging compared to other boaters who can idle right up to the dock.
Thanks,
-Eric
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A SBC 383 is known as a stroker motor. The long stroke yields great torque numbers. However, the long stroke is also a limiter to higher RPMs compared to a short stroke motor like a SBC 302.
the 383 is an excellent stroker, in that you don't sacrifice in any direction. exactly what I intend to use in my Scimitar, and possibly the Intimidator as well. the bore and stroke are matched, and while it has the longer crank stroke (400 sbc crank) it has shorter rods. they really are fairly bulletproof, and the Scat cranks and rods are very good equipment, designed for very high rpm, high horsepower applications meant for the track that often see 8k or 9k rpm in any where from 700-1000 hp motors (blowers, nitrous,etc.) while the sbc 302 (dz 302) you mentioned was a higher rpm motor than others of its day, it would never withstand what these aftermarket parts in a 383 stroker set-up can take, and the rpms they reach. it does have the potential as a torque monster, but with the right cam can be just as effective as a midrange and high rpm motor as well. so I guess there is room for compensation where you had mentioned idle speeds in gear with props, etc. maybe Olered plans to point it in the right direction and put 'er down! ;D
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Eric, when people first started building the 383 "stroker" they used a stock 400cid crank, with the large diameter journals, the 350 block had to be line bored to accept that crank, and they used a 350cid piston with small skirts, two things they learned .. the skirts of the pistons didn't hold up well to the increased wall speed, and the large journals of the crank didn't like continuous high rpm either, resulting in high oil temp and often spun bearings ... but technology has changed, the new cranks are a small journal, fit's right in the 350 block, with just a little block clearence being performed, and the hyperutectic pistons have teflon coated skirts to reduce friction against the cylinder wall. Like Steve said, the new style 383 "stroker" is a pretty tough motor, and the vortec head flow technology has awsome mid and high range power. I am building the 383, actually a 389cid, out of another 2000 model 1 ton truck motor, thick cylinder walls, 4 bolt main, and the vortec heads, just like my other motor, bored .060 and milling the heads some, stainless steel valves, "Z" springs and retainers, the new pistons are a bit higher compression, probably 10.1 compression ratio, but can still run the 91 octane pump gas.
Secondly ... I'm running a 1.47 gear ratio in the Gen II drive alright, ya got to spin it to win it, but the technology in props today, you can accomplish more performance with a good prop now, than we used to by changing out a set of gears to change the rpm some. I'm no prop expert, or mechanic either for that matter, but I'm adding picture of my prop here described as I understand it .. and like I said, I'm no expert, but this prop has been into the lab three times to get the most out of it, and it does really well, it pushes my boat into the low 70's at 5200 rpm. My friends at the prop shop made me a drag prop that I ran some, it was a 14 1/4 X 19 4 blade that would Shoot my boat out of the hole, but it turned the motor 6200 rpm, it only run a speed of 62 mph, but that was in 1000 feet in 13 seconds from a dead stop, but it was a Blast out of the hole.
One big issue proping out my boat was the modifications I made in the transom, I moved the transom box back 5 inches, raised the "X" dimention almost 3 inches, and changed the rake of the transom to 8 degree's, then added the nose cone, and it Finally came up to speed with the right prop. I don't know if I will get much more speed with the new motor, but my goal for this new motor is to get the boat up on plane faster with a load of gas, 52 gallons, and 4 or 5 people on board ... thats where it's sluggish now, and I want it to run flatter at speed flat, not run with the nose so high, when it leaves the water now, it lands stern first, I want it to land flat, but the only way I get the speed out of it now is to trim it up that much. We'll see?
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Well Red, you sure like some kind of expert...either that or you've done a lot of homework.
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Got em in today !
Im gonna have to put the polishing wheel on em, they got a few scuffs in em during shipping
but not enough for me to complain .. I Like em.
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holly molly! :o where's my shades?
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WOW :o those look great!!!
Does the better half know you had them on the couch? Heh Heh Heh
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BLING!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
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Suweet!!!
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Does the better half know you had them on the couch? Heh Heh Heh
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LOL! Not only that but on pillows too!
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Congrats to Red for winning the engine cover on ebay, and at the fantastic price of $2.25!
What a steal!
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Yea ... the Fox laughed about putting the manifolds on the pillows, like a jewelry display, and the hat .. but Hey, the pillows and the hat stay there all the time anyway, I just re-arranged them for the pic
and here's another set of parts on the way .. just couldn't help myself .. there were 5 sets on a 7 day Sale
Aluminum ProComp pressure molded castings, w/2.02 swirl polished stainless steel valves, hardened seats, hardened 7 degree locks and retainers, "Z" springs, screw in studs and guide plates, angle plug 64cc chambers, raised 190cc runners and Free shipping ... and Yes ... my boat budget is Busted, and I got Busted too, the Fox was home and the Manifolds came in, I may have to sleep in the shop for a couple nites if she's home when the heads get here.
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I just hope she lets you drive a little next summer!!! ;D
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Me Too Chris ... and Hey ! I think about it Often, you didn't drive the thing either, I totally forgot that when we were up there, but you can take your turn when we get back up there in August .. and if you don't remind me .. it's Your fault. My thinker is mis-firing these days, and my memory is ... slipping, or something ... I forgot.
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I released a monster when I bought his other engine.
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Me Too Chris ... and Hey ! I think about it Often, you didn't drive the thing either, I totally forgot that when we were up there, but you can take your turn when we get back up there in August .. and if you don't remind me .. it's Your fault. My thinker is mis-firing these days, and my memory is ... slipping, or something ... I forgot.
I was more that thrilled just to be along for the ride! Between you and BurninDaylight you two should set up a ticket system and sell rides! An then there was Bob and his pair of flyin' 21's!! You all would make enough to pay your way back and forth and then some! Yours and Barb's boats are going to be heavy attractions if you manage to make the meet. Do not be ashamed to ask for gas money! It's memorable enough to ride in either and any of these boats let alone scream down the river at 70+mph!
(http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq332/Hotwired-II/08-20-10%20Big%20Meet/P1070098.jpg)
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I released a monster when I bought his other engine.
and I'm Lovin it Barb .. Grrrrrr ...
and By the way ... Thanks for the Merry Christmas !
and it won't hurt my feelings One Bit it I can't keep up with your Intimidator on the lake ... Really !
really ...
I think
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What kind of performance increase to you think Barb will see with that engine? I would expect she will be running about the same speeds you saw with the Scimitar. But not running your drive with the nose cone, do you expect a slight decline. Then again ... the Intimidator being slightly smaller??? ::) :-/
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well, I guess ya figure the Scimitars do around 55 with 260hp (right?) and alot of people claim around 65 in the Intimidator with 260hp... sounds like that Intimidator may be quite a handful!!! 8)
I obviously am just speculating here, but with the 383 bottom end, these aluminum higher performance heads, and that EFI, I think OleRed may be heading back to the prop shop and pushing that thing substantially faster. I would have to think this combo would push a taller prop than the old motor, but again, I'm assuming. guess we'll all find out when the tuning and break-in are done.
Jees, Red... ya sure make it hard for the rest of us to build a Scimitar that will keep up!!! ;D
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well... considering that Red's Gold pushed up past 75 with pump gas (loved that ride! I think we cornered at 60!) after he de-tuned it to run on the river available fuel ... I seem to remember 425 HP being mentioned as coming out of the old engine. Expecting that and more out of the new improved/injected/stroked engine I would imagine.
OMG .. I need a cold shower! ;D
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well .. I quess here come's another cat out of the bag, Barb's Intimidator, it's getting an up-date in the drive also, Barb bought a 1988 doner boat with a freeze cracked motor, ole "Suzy Q" may she rest in peace ... under 2 1/2 million tons of debries at the city dump, but the 1.50 ratio Alpha One drive, transom assy, tilt/trim pump, cylinders, power steering assy, and some more goodies are anxiously awaiting the transplant into the Intimidator, and Yes .. it will have a nose bullet on it like my Scimitar has. Her old MR drive also has a nose mod on it, but it's a little different than the bullet look, it's more like a knife edge, not quite so noticable, but it obviously does it's job.
and By The Way ... her motor and drive will be up for sale next week, and for those of you who haven't seen it, I'll add a link to her video, it's a hard hitting 260hp alright, I don't think it's ever been tore into. "Burnin Daylight" is already in the waiting room, surgery begins in just a few days. About the speed of her boat after the transplant ... I have an idea she will be running low to mid 70's she will be running my prop, and Steve is right, I'll have to go through the prop ritual again for the Scimitar. Barb's new motor is producing about 425hp, it's not been on a dyno, but thats the opinion of the pro's at the machine shop, and my new motor is base lined at 420/440hp but the Big difference in the two is Torque, the 357, Barb's new motor, has about 350 pounds torque, but my new motor is predicted to have near 500, thats where my boat was lacking performance, it will probably go a little bit faster, 2 or 3 mph maybe, but it will get up to speed quicker, with a full load of bacon and beans, but, it's gonna look good whether it run's faster or not.
:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_GloQo9xzA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_GloQo9xzA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc_2Sy_Gvl0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc_2Sy_Gvl0)
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guess we'll all find out when the tuning and break-in are done.
That won't take long after it makes it's first splash, like Jerry say's, ya break em in between turn two and turn 3 .
but Serously, I am looking to put the new motor on a dyno before installing it into my boat, thats what the fellow does that I bought the fuel injection stuff from ... we'll see if I still have any candy left.
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Looking forward to seeing the transplant!! Looking at the pictures of Barbs' boat I thought it looked like the drive had some mods to it. Going to be a lot of people here drooling over her old engine and drive!! :P
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Looking forward to seeing the transplant!! Looking at the pictures of Barbs' boat I thought it looked like the drive had some mods to it. Going to be a lot of people here drooling over her old engine and drive!! :P
man, you got that right! if it were closer I would be trying to be first on that list... would love to have it to tweak a little for my Intimidator. Barb is gonna have one heck of a hotrod there!