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General Category => Archived Posts => Topic started by: OleRed on December 23, 2010, 10:46:19 PM
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"Burnin Dalight" was checked into Pre-Op today, awaiting the transplant, she is resting peacefully in a warm and cozy shop ... (well, warmer than outside) her recently aquainted friend, and Doner "Reds Gold" (abit nervous about the proceedure) is patiently waiting right outside the door.
The procedure is scheduled to begin Monday, and should only take about ten days, according to the doctor and his assistant.
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With the first sentance it kind of gave me a scare...Thought you were talking about her ...
"Burnin Dalight" was checked into Pre-Op today, awaiting the transplant"
Hope all go's well ...
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Not to be morbid or anything, but maybe we could see some pics of the procedure? ::)
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The proceedure began today, but further examination of the patient revealed some soft tissue under the back seat. We decided to do some exploatory surgery to evaluate the extent of damage caused by some foreign H2o substance that had accumalated under the floor, we removed all the damaged tissue, some saturated foam mass, and cleaned up the effected area. There was only minimal damage actually, we removed most of the floor just to be sure all the contaminated tissue had been revealed. The engine will be removed in the morning, and further examination of the subject will be conducted in the bilge area.
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Normally, I have a weak stomach for looking at surgical operations, but not this one.
Questions.
What is going to happen with the removed organ?
How are you going about cutting the old floor out, especially near the hull? I've only replaced a floor once before and used a circular saw ( a bit risky) where I could and busted the rest out but thats not very clean. did you you a small grinder with a cut off wheel or?
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WOW! Made quick work of that! Project CREEP! LOL. Kind of like going to the store for milk and coming home with steak and eggs!! Now's the time to do it and hopefully you caught the water intrusion before it got into the stringers and transom.
Thanks for the pictures!
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Another one SAVED !
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What is going to happen with the removed organ?
Oh No ! we're not going to remove That !
just the soft tissue around it.
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How are you going about cutting the old floor out, especially near the hull? I've only replaced a floor once before and used a circular saw ( a bit risky) where I could and busted the rest out but thats not very clean. did you you a small grinder with a cut off wheel or?
We done it about the same way you did, but, Barb and I have a couple highly specialized tools we also used for the job.
.... I use a skill saw also, set 1/2 depth to cut most of it, but on the sides where it joins the hull I only set the depth of the blade to barely cut through the glassing on the floor, then the wood under that is fairly easy to chip out.
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Now's the time to do it and hopefully you caught the water intrusion before it got into the stringers and transom.
Yes .. fortunately this little baby has been protected, stored inside mostly, and the water saturation was minimal and had not affected the stringers at all, and the stringers on this one are completely incased with fiberglass, was not the case on the two Scimitars I have done, they only had been glassed about 2/3 of the way up the sides of the stringers.
Barb wrinkled her eye brow when I began to "tap" the stringers with my little hammer, just a one pound ball peen .... solid as a rock.
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Will you refoam under the floor ?
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What is going to happen with the removed organ?
Oh No ! we're not going to remove That !
just the soft tissue around it.
maybe I am misunderstanding, no new powerplant?
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(( maybe I am misunderstanding, no new powerplant? ))
Oooops ...
Yes .. we are transplanting the powerplant .. I got carried away, the "organ" was removed today, looks like we got a little more lipo to do in the hip pockets before we go in with the new motor.
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The heartbeat of a Glastron starts with a Chevrolet.
THUMP-THUMP THUMP-THUMP
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Will you refoam under the floor ?
Yes .. we will be injecting foam under the intire floor.
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The heartbeat of a Glastron starts with a Chevrolet.
THUMP-THUMP THUMP-THUMP
you Right about that Jerry ... by the way Ole Buddy .. I sure got a Big surprize for you come spring ... you better start planning a trip in down here April or May
:o
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Glad to see I wasnt the only one cornfused about the organ transplant because I thought that was the whole idea.
Foaming under the entire floor. Well I guess that will keep all water out huh? No need to worry about any moisture getting trapped?
Lots of cans of expanding foam from the home store? :D
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.. Great Stuff !
Now ... for the Sweet and Sour ... after removing the engine this morning, and the transom assy, I tapped on the back of the transom .. Solid sounds all the way around .. Swweeet, inside the boat, good sounds on the upper part of the transom, then ... and Then ... thud .. the lower portion of the transom was soft, those dang "hip pockets" had water trapped, and soaked into the transom like a wick on a lamp ... well, now for the rest of the story, take out the flotation boxes, dig out the hip pockets, lay in a new transom.
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Crrrreeeeeep! The scope of this project just keeps growing! Making me want to dig out the "hips" on my 21. They always seemed dry but not likely!
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ARGH!
On the up side, at least its nice and open back there and you're not working under a splash well. Pretty good access.
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Crrrreeeeeep! The scope of this project just keeps growing! Making me want to dig out the "hips" on my 21. They always seemed dry but not likely!
Makes me think I should fill those hip pockets with Seacast or something like it.
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I just went to Seacasts web site to check it out and saw how they removed a transom with a chain saw!
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I just went to Seacasts web site to check it out and saw how they removed a transom with a chain saw!
Yep, I used it on the CVZ-18, and if the 19 ever needs a new transom, I'll use it for sure...I liked it.
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after removing the engine this morning, and the transom assy
Did you sell the whole drive system or just the motor? I assume you removed the transom assembly because the boat is getting a newer/better drive system to handle the HP increase.
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.. Great Stuff !
Now ... for the Sweet and Sour ... after removing the engine this morning, and the transom assy, I tapped on the back of the transom .. Solid sounds all the way around .. Swweeet, inside the boat, good sounds on the upper part of the transom, then ... and Then ... thud .. the lower portion of the transom was soft, those dang "hip pockets" had water trapped, and soaked into the transom like a wick on a lamp ... well, now for the rest of the story, take out the flotation boxes, dig out the hip pockets, lay in a new transom.
Eww!! Yucky! But tbh with these boats even in origional condition you better be prepared for a lil rot. No matter how well kept it's gonna happen. Let's face it they were not all that well 'waterproofed' to begin with.
I recommend some Tough Stuff laminated w/biax for the transom/flotation boxes. Stronger than sh*t & will never EVER absorb water ...
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Crrrreeeeeep! Making me want to dig out the "hips" on my 21.
LOL .. Chris, I thought I had run across a dry one here, but,I'm beginning to be convinced .. Dry is unlikely on most of these hulls. There is evidence of the water coming into this boat from under the bump rail, where the hull is put together, I'm thinking about just glassing the seam with a strip of 6 oz mat inside the hull while the boxes and hips are bare, but I may just seal top and bottom of the strip with polyurethane sealant. These boats have a thin foam tape looking seal stuck to the hull section, and the deck is screwed through the hull with stainless steel screws 2 to 3 inches apart into a plywood strip inside the hull, the bump rail is screwed through the the hull to the same strip ... funny to me that water can get up through that bond, but it sure looks like it on this one.
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Eww!! Yucky! But tbh with these boats even in origional condition you better be prepared for a lil rot. No matter how well kept it's gonna happen. Let's face it they were not all that well 'waterproofed' to begin with.
I recommend some Tough Stuff laminated w/biax for the transom/flotation boxes. Stronger than sh*t & will never EVER absorb water ...
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I think you are right Doug, this boat has been very well kept, but if you're gonna use one, it's subject to get water in it sometime .. but this little darling is just turning 30 years old, I quess it is due time for a little re-furbishing.
I've not used the "tuff stuff" you mentioned, send me a link to it and I'll check it out, but I've already bought the wood I use for this one, it's a 7 core hardwood ply I've been using for years.
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here's todays update ... I got the flotation boxes and the hip pockets cleaned out, and started injecting the foam up front. The steering cable and control cables were incased in the foam that was poured in the starbord box .. that was a pain. I weighed the sacks of the old foam I cut out, the one sack I just put dry foam in, it's really lite, But ... What a difference in the wet foam in the others, and all the wet wood from the transom is in the trash can, I couldn't even lift it to weigh it, near 100 pounds I'd quess.
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after removing the engine this morning, and the transom assy
Did you sell the whole drive system or just the motor? I assume you removed the transom assembly because the boat is getting a newer/better drive system to handle the HP increase.
Barb has bought a completely rebuilt Alpha One drive for it, 1.50 ratio, and I will be adding a bullet nose on the lower unit like my drive has. I have delt her out of the motor and drive from her boat. I'm looking for a cheap 25ft to 30ft cruiser project to put in my slip here at the lake, I'd like to find one that needs powered .. thats my plan anyway.
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Burnin Daylight is turning 30 next year and like I told Olered "I wanted to give her something special for her birthday"
She has given me alot of special times in the last 16 years. It's her turn.
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wow, fast work!
That looks all too familiar. my intimidator had leaked into the rear 'pods' through the deck joint and rotted the transom as well as the floor stringers etc....it was in pretty bad shape.
I added drainage out of the rear pod area into the bilge when i made the new transom. i caulked the deck seam with 5200 and resealed all the rub rail screws and it STILL leaks into the port side once in a while.
you can check out my build thread for reference over on CGOA site
http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1707&hilit=intimidator
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Wow ! you have done some good work on your Intimidator
that 3M 5200 is a good product, isn't it called Life Caulk, it don't take a lot of prep for it to adhere to most any surface, but it sure won't adhere to a damp surface, I haven't used it in a lot of years, but I have used it on several boats years ago, I had not thought about using it inside this boat .. hmmmm .. thanks for reminding me of that product.
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it was a little sad in some way to be pulling the motor out of Reds Gold today
But ... it was a glad thing when I got past the sad part ... I can't think of a better place for it to be planted than into Barb's Intimidator.
We had a pretty warm day here today and didn't work on Barb's boat, I pulled the motor out of the Scimitar, and I got some things done I needed to do outside before the weather turns cold and windy again tomorrow afternoon, highs in the 40's next week.
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All you had to do was think about whats going back in to get past it I bet.
NICE airborn shot! Was that from the august meet? I see a barge in the background.
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yes, it's a pic I took from the video ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-kK0gSKHlo&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-kK0gSKHlo&feature=player_embedded)
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yes, it's a pic I took from the video ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-kK0gSKHlo&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-kK0gSKHlo&feature=player_embedded)
Ya now yer talkin' Red. Awesome shot! WooHoo!!
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Wow ! you have done some good work on your Intimidator
that 3M 5200 is a good product, isn't it called Life Caulk, it don't take a lot of prep for it to adhere to most any surface, but it sure won't adhere to a damp surface, I haven't used it in a lot of years, but I have used it on several boats years ago, I had not thought about using it inside this boat .. hmmmm .. thanks for reminding me of that product.
thanks Red, as you know, it's a heck of a lot of work. This was my first time using 4200 and 5200. That stuff is amazing.
I'm curious to see what the center section of Barbs transom looks like once all the wood is removed. The glass on the center section of mine was quite a bit rearward of the surfaces on either pod. The factory filled the void with pure resin while the cap was off I assume? When i redid mine I had chip and grind all the cracked/broken/delaminated resin out in order to build it back up with 1700 and epoxy so the full width ply fit flush with the glass all the way across. I think i ended up laying 6+ layers of 1700! It was nasty.
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Her transom is the same way, about a 1/3 of the filler broke out with the good wood on the port side, about 3/8 thick, and some was bonded to the wood, and not to the transom at all, and there were also big voids just like you described, and Yes .. a Pain to get flat again. When I get the rest of the wood off, I will mix up a chopped strands and resin filler, use that to get the transom flat again, then I will bond a 3/4 plywood piece about 6 inches wider at the bottom than the top, the next plywood bond will be the one that extends to the sides of the boat, the third bond will be 3/4 ply about the size of the transom box, thats the way I buiilt the transom in my Scimitar. I took a break from the transom today and layed in the first section of floor, injected more foam so it will get it's expanding done, I will lay in another section tomorrow, inject more foam, then go back to the transom.
Here's a few pic's of the transom build in my boat.
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Foam Shots on Barb's boat today
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Red
Project is lookin good !!
What are you using for foam?
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it's called "Great Stuff" from Lowe's or Home Depot
comes in 12oz cans, have used 8 cans so far
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I'm curious about the foaming pics. It almost looks like styrofoam on top or did you paint/treat the underside of the plywood? Looks like that is attached to the stringers by foam as well or construction adhesive?
BTW Very nice work you're doing. Barb is lucky to have someone like you around.
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nice work. sounds like your moving along alot faster than i did! I was working in 'Gods garage' for most of it which definitely slows things down!
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With all the speed mods Ole Red is making to Barb's boat, she may have to rename it "Burnin Water."
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I'm curious about the foaming pics. It almost looks like styrofoam on top or did you paint/treat the underside of the plywood? Looks like that is attached to the stringers by foam as well or construction adhesive?
BTW Very nice work you're doing. Barb is lucky to have someone like you around.
I don't treat the wood when I'm going to inject the foam under it, the foam sticks to it. This foam is labled "water resistant" thats kinda funny .. because it will expand and set up under water. there are four kinds of that Stuff, a green can that remains soft, and don't push as hard, the red can sets up ridgid, a black can that suposed to fill wider gaps, and a yellowish can that has some kind of fiber in it, I've never used any but the red can, because I know how it works, the black can cost a little more, will probably work better, but I haven't used it. here's a couple pic's
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REALLY appreciate your sharing your technique and pics with us Red, I'm sure I'm not the only one facing this project in the future and have no experience tackling it. Doing as much research as possible before hand to try and learn the "do's and don'ts". Hope you don't mind a couple of questions;
1 - Do you drive 1/4" dowels in the holes left from the foam cans before laying down the main mat, or what?
2 - How many layers of mat do you put down on the floor?
3 - I've read a lot about leaving drain passages under the floor along the main stringer. Any thoughts pro or con?
PLEASE keep sharing the steps of this project, it's great being able to watch as it comes along.
Thanks again
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Hi Mark, I'm no expert on these old boats, but I have done a bunch of work on them, I'm not a perfectionist, and I tend to do things a little different than some may, but I do try to build one safe, decent looking, and will last at Least as long as I will. Oh ... and I like em to go Fast !
1 - Do you drive 1/4" dowels in the holes left from the foam cans before laying down the main mat, or what?
no .. but I have driven part of a pencil in a couple that were still expanding when I was ready to lay mat, and sometimes I just put a pice of masking tape over the holes, when you leave the cans in the hole overnite the hole seals itself, then the resin from the mat covers them up.
2 - How many layers of mat do you put down on the floor?
First, I will fill any gaps or voids on the edges with filler, then I will lay the woven roven mat on the seams, then one lay-up over the whole floor, overlapping the seams, then sand, or grind the entire surface to get rid of any hairs or bumps before the carpet is layed.
3 - I've read a lot about leaving drain passages under the floor along the main stringer. Any thoughts pro or con?
I choose not to put any drains under the floor when I am going to inject the foam, if I'm just going to lay foam logs or foam pieces under there, then I will put some drain holes. Personally, I'd rather fill the space up with foam, seal it up good so water has no way to get under there. Most foams, other than the Styrene, or Polystyrene closed cell type, will absorb water when in constant contact with it, even the foams most boat builders used for years for flotation, they will float, but in constant contact with water they will absorb it. The Great Stuff foam I use may eventually absorb water also, if it's subjected to it continually from a break in it, but when it remains sealed, by it's own expanded shell, it will not let water in, the stuff will actually expand and set up under water.
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Today's Up-Date
Got the seams ground down and layed the mat on it today, I'll get back to the transom tomorrow ..
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Red - what do you use to grind down & smooth the fiberglass & resin? Previously, I've used a course 60 grit on a belt sander to really cut away and high points....curious what you do?
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Hi Doran, I use a Norton Metalite 24 grit 7 7/8 grinding disc from Home Depot. The disc is designed for an industrial grinder with a rubber pad, but I use it with my drill motor so it spin so fast and creates less dust, it's easier to clean up anyway.
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Back on the Transom ..
getting the wood off the transom was mostly hammer and chizzel work. I always wonder why they used so much of that filler stuff, there is at least 3/8 of the stuff all across this transom, well, not any more, alot of it broke off with the wood.
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Good work Red
ugh, the sight of that cracked resin filler is giving me nightmares....been there done that...
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Nice work Red. That Intimidator will be better than new by the time your done with it. Barb is lucky to have a friend/neighbor like you, that's for sure. ;)
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Feel yer pain Red. Been there. Nasty job but hey somebody's gotta do it. Personally I chipped, chiseled, ground, sanded and cussed every last bit of that crap outa there.
Went with a pourable 'ceramic' compound from AdTech to squish in behind the new transom. Used 1/4 toggle bolts through the motor/stern eye/drain holes to suck the transom up tight. Worked like a charm. I defy anyone to find a hollow in my transom.
Granted Barbs is a lil different animal ie the transom not being the full width of the boat. Might have to cobble up a 'form' of sorts to make it work. But it would work, good too.
ps A lil voice in my head keeps saying "4 inch exhaust, 4 inch exhaust ..." Over and over again. Please make it go away ...!
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Squish. (Exterior has been cleaned up since ...)
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The transom is beginning to look like a transom, got the first two layers of wood on it today, the third coming on tomorrow.
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Lookin good! Hmmm... I shoulda had you copy me a pattern!
What are you using to adhere the layers of the transom?
Oh, and I guess there isn't much room under the hood for raising the X-dimension on these... or is there?
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Ugh is right. That looks tedious chiseling out that crap.
So 3 layers of 1/2" ply? Are you bonding them together at all? Looks like you're sealing the bottom up too? What are you using for that...resin? I can see obviously that layer two is wider then layer one. Will layer 3 be the same width as two? Do the "wings" on layer two lay flush with the transom out there or is there a void? Sorry for all the questions. Trying to get a good picture in my head (that I'lll forget anyways) :D
Looks great. You work fast. Foaming looks great too. Solid as a rock.
Doug, did you do yours without popping the deck off and do it all from the inside?
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I don't mind questions at all ... I'm building the transom in Barb's boat just like I bult the transom on my Scimitar, I'll post pic's of it with the deck off and you can get an idea of all three lay-ups.
To bond the layers together I use a chopped strand and resin mix, just like a fiberglass filler, but pretty wet, it's slick, messy, and stron as ... heck. The pieces of wood are pulled together with screws through the transom assy mounting holes, and a few more coming through the back of the transom, the resin mix that "squish's" out, I brush up to the edges of the wood to fill any gaps, and makes a curved contour to lay the woven roven mat over.
The first ply lay up is 3/4" ply, 10 inches wider than the transom box at the bottom, gives more support to transom box, and those little "hip pockets" that are filled with foam, the next ply lay-up is the 1/2" that extends to the sides of the hull, and completely glassed in up the sides of the hull. The third ply lay-up is 3/4" just the size of the transom box, it too was pulled together with screws. On Barbs boat, I cut in the drive hole after each lay-up of the plywood, and pulled the third piece of the transom wood with C clamps, and a few screws as well.
I cut the drive hole in my boat after the transom was completely built .. that was Tough to do, but one of the pic's here is of the plug I cut from that transom.
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It Fit's !
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Just a couple hours on Barbs boat today, but I did get some more of the transom glassed in, and the drive hole trimmed in, got a call from the machine shop and I had to go there for a while.
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Looks great. So based on your discription, layer one and three are the same size and thickness with the middle one sandwiched in being wider and thinner, is that correct?
Total 2" thick at this point.
That should NEVER have to be touched again.
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the transom is done, hip pockets filled with the foam, hull seam iis sealed with the 3M 5200, will put the boxes in tomorrow, then finish the floor out ... getting closer to the "transplant"
Yes .. I know, the drive holes disappeared .. I'll find them later ;)
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Looks fantastic. Very professional looking.
Did you tint the resin, paint it or use something special?
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Barb bought some epoxy paint to match the lite color on the hull, I used a lite color gelcoat on the tramson, and the bilge as well, so if the epoxy paint ever , chipped or scratched, it won't be very noticable, like it would be if it had the dark under coat.
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Looking awesome Red! Almost ready to start doing the fun stuff, putting more and newer horses under the hood! ;D Keep the pictures coming can't wait to see it all done w/new motor and drive installed.
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Not too much more now, got the grinding done and the floor finished today, and done some study on the flotation boxes, I think I'm gonna do a little re-de-sighning back there, when I get them built in, then I'll mount the drive thru assy.
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Looking great! What is with the orange strip in the middle of the last picture? Is that just an area that did not get the last layer of glass?
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Thats the color of the MEKP (activator) that kicks the resin, the color cure's clear, I use a bit more of it to kick the resin off since it's so cool. it had not cured when I took that pic.
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hmmm... MEKP....
yeah, I have that in my basement as well...
but, a little uneasy about that (considering the amount). did you know that MEKP is a key ingredient to the manufacturing of crystal meth?
now obviously, they could look around any of our shops and see what we are actually using it for, but still...
also, in case anyone doesn't know, very flamable!
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I use MEK, (methyl ethyl ketone), rather than Acetone to clean up my brushes, cups, and tools after a lay-up, I also use it to thin the resin, or top coat to brush on, or spray, in my opinion, it works better than Acetone, much faster, and Yes, as with Acetone, or any other type of petrolem product, it is very combustable, and is a skin and lung irritant, I wear surgical gloves when I use it, and ofter a resperated mask, and I do my cleaning and mixing with it in another room, not in the same room with a flame producing heater. The MEKP (methyl ethyl ketone peroxide) I use to activate the resin (kick) and I'll mix it with the resin to a ratio of about 1 1/2 ounce to a gallon, or a more for cooler temperature.
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I been working on the flotation boxes today, should get them finished tomorrow. I left a space in the port side box for the tilt/trim pump, and a space for the battery in the starboard box, Barb has requested a slide out of some sort for the battery, and I agree, it was pretty difficult to remove and replace the battery where it was located, just forward of the port side of the engine, there is not enough room between the exhaust manifolds, hoses and the engine deck for the battery to be put through, so it must go in front of the engine. I have changed location of the battery to the starboard side, nearer the starter, and will be installing an isolation switch near the battery also.
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Do you use any fasteners other than the glass to assemble the panels? Your work always looks great. I have used pin nailers/brad nailers to hold stuff together while I apply the glass but have a tenancy to split the panels when putting them together. I never notice that in your work.
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yep, I use some little skinny nails about 1" long. and I favor the back side so the split is not so visable it it splits .. ::)
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Sounding like a broken record but once again nice work Red! How far are you from MN? Wanna rebuild a CVX18 next winter?......LOL ;D
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796 miles to Red Wing
and I'll be looking for a winter project next year I'm sure, I'm gonna spend the rest of this winter on the Scimitar, the Yellow Jacket, and Jerry's GT-2 seater.
I got some more work done on Barb's Intimidator, she has bought a Real sound system for it, but we are not wanting to cut in any speaker holes so I built some speaker brackets on the boxes, that will fit between the side of the seat and the hull, and will build a couple more like that up under the windshield. I guess we will put the amp on top of the port box.
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796 miles to Red Wing
That would a lot of miles on my PU, probably have to use the wife's truck to bring it down! ;D
Red - The guy that installed the stereo in my brother's Intimidator built 4 panels that sat in each corner of the cockpit at a 45 degree angle. Sorry, don't have pictures. He ran them down to the floor and high enough that the tops were out of sight under the deck/gunnels. The were cut so that the edges follwed the contours of the floor, hull sides and bulkhead. I'm guessing he used 1/4" ply and then wrapped with matching vinyl (left over from the seats were redone), backed with 1/2" foam. Looked real sharp and didn't require cutting up the boat. Just a thought for Barb's boat.
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Red did you shoot foam under the floor back near the motor mounts too? It looks like there are some drain holes into the bilge area. Just wondering if there is any drainage needed now that that rest of the floor is all foamed.
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Yes, it's all full of foam now, no need for any drain holes. My objective is to keep any water from getting under the floor, the whole floor is completely glassed over with 24 ounce mat to prevent any water from getting under there
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Up-date on Barbs boat ... I had planned on having it ready to put the motor in Saturday, that just didn't happen, but it's about ready for it now, I'm gonn secure all the wiring for, tilt/trim pump, bilge pump and blowers & wired in before the motor goes in, couple more days I guess, there is Not much room in there to hook stuff up around the motor for sure.
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OMG that looks AWSOME!!!
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Wow Red that looks great.
Tom
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Beautiful Red! Maybe you mentioned this once before but is that a transom assembly for a Gen 1 or Gen 2 drive?
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Thanks Guy's, I been enjoying this project. It's an Alpha One drive set-up, not the Gen II, but I believe it will last Barb a long time, I'll see that the lube is changed frequently in this baby. I got an apointment this Friday to take both of our lower units to the shop and have them inspected, weld the nose mod on her's, and I know mine needs a shim added to it, so when we get some decent weather we can take her boat to the lake for a shakedown run.
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Alpha Gen 1 or 2, either way a night and day difference in durability over what was on it. In addition, now she has a drive w/negative trim which will give the boat better holeshot & less bow rise when coming onto plane.
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Outstanding Red! Looks great. I really like the idea of modding the boxes to accomodate the battery, etc. Like the non-intrusive speaker panels too. Can't wait to see the finished product.
Carry on.
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Great job!!!! I still can't believe you did all that work in 3-4 weeks....
Joe
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Thanks again Guy's. I can see this baby beginning to come together. I got the t/trim pump, blower motor and power steering slave mounted today. I glassed in a little 6" X 9" bracket under the starboard gunwale, aside the rear seat, to mount a battery isolation switch, the start battey will be mounted right behind the seat there, we have decided to mount a second battery up front, behind the little center console, this battery will run the stereo system, the amp will be mounted in the bilge area on top of the port box. No pictures tonight, I used my camara battery for the multi-meter .. :-/
We are looking at getting the wiring finished up tomorrow, installing the motor Wednsday, today was kinda a slack day, there have been several of those, but, thats alright, ain't no deadline to meet for this project.
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Beautiful work there, Red. Surely better than factory and will last forever.
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Yes, the boat is certainly better than new now, it should last as long as I will .. :D
It's about ready for the motor, just a couple more hours laying up the wiring, then the Transplant, we're planning on setting the motor in tomorrow after noon, well, I guess it's this afternoon now.
Barb bought a roller bearing slide in and out thing for the battery .. kinda Kool.
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Very nice Red! How does the sliding battery shelve lock back in place? Are you installing a Kicker Subwoofer? I noticed the Kicker thing. maybe that's something else.
We are gonna have to make sure we Archive this thread. Way too much valuable information in this one!
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Here's a question I've had...why are the trim pump lines colored differently? Its the same on Goldie...assume one signifies a return line?
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Fantastic! I love the sliding battery tray too. What a great way to access that space. Needless to say, its going to be laid out in a very practical, neat, compact way.
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Got-er-Done
The motor is in, Barb is so pleased she gave me the rest of the day Off !
took a few pic's
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Looks great! There is not going to be much room above the engine below the cover is there! Bet you are both anxious to get it in the water! Come on SPRING!!!
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Man... That's awesome! GREAT WORK Red!
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When can you start on mine!!!! Geeeeez that looks good!
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Looks great! There is not going to be much room above the engine below the cover is there! Bet you are both anxious to get it in the water! Come on SPRING!!!
There is not going to be much room above the engine below the cover is there!
Barb noticed that too, I will have to modify the spark arrestor base some to lower the back of the cover, I never thought about this intake manifold havig a higher rise than the stock manifold, but ! .. ain't no spep for a steper.
I told Barb all we had to do is cut a big hole in the engine cover, maybe put a Snorkle on it ... :o yea, she wouldn't go for that.
I do plan on popping a mold off the engine cover, and the center console while I have those things off, she did go for that, I think there are a couple boats out there that need an engine cover like that ... maybe mine, and that little console will fit in a lot of the other boats, it hangs from the bottom of the dash, and braced to the kick panel, it don't reach the floor..
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Did ya get a little dusting of snow this morning?
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yes, just a little snow, sleet first, I took the Fox to work today .. 19 degree's I think. Slick as a booger on a brass door knob. Brrrr ... for Oklahoma
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Boy that looks pretty sitting in there! 8) Nice job Red! I'd love to have a console for my CVX18 as currently there is no place to put a cell phone, car keys, wallet, all those things I've learned to keep out of my pockets when I boat.
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Wow that motor sure is pretty... Nice job Red
Tom
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Well done, but the big question is how fast do you think it will go?
Joe
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::) all I told Barb is that I'll bet it will go as fast as she want's to drive it.
that motor pushed my Scimitar mid 70's, she will be running the same prop, same ratio drive, a lighter boat with 3 1/2 feet less hull in the water ... I'm wondering myself how fast it will go.
I got the exhaust tubes installed today, with the 4" to 3" reducers, and I had to modify the spark arester to clear the engine cover, that was a trick, I set the engine cover on it and it will clear, it's close, but it does clear. I used the camara for eye's up in there.
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Red you're right about it going to be fast enough. The sweet spot I bet will be about 3500 r's, my guess would be mid 40's mph of economical cruising, just purring along.
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you may be right Glenn, when it was in my boat, with a load of gas and a couple people the top of the primaries was 3000 rpm, I cruised the boat @ 2800 trimed up it was cruising 34 / 35 mph and using 5 gallon an hour, thats how I run it on the Arkansas river trips, one trip 75 miles and the other was 120 miles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRbpawcTH8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRbpawcTH8)
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Red are you changing the gears in Barb's drive? I'd imagine the standard 23P prop or whatever she had on it before the transplant won't work any longer. Jeff got a heck of deal on a 25P Laser for his boat that he is gonna try this summer.
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Man its a thing of beauty! That motor looks huge hanging there from the hoist.
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Red are you changing the gears in Barb's drive? I'd imagine the standard 23P prop or whatever she had on it before the transplant won't work any longer. Jeff got a heck of deal on a 25P Laser for his boat that he is gonna try this summer.
I'm giving her the prop that I been running on the Scimitar, it was a 23 pitch before it made a few trips to the lab, but it's a solid 24+ pitch I think, I think it will work for her, and I think it will come up to rpm, even though it will be 3" deeper in the water, the boat is shorter and lighter ... we will see. Her drive was a 1.50 ratio, thats what the Alpha One is.
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Red
Lookin good keep up the good work
Can not wait to both of your boats this summer
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Fired it up today ...
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight003.mp4 (http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight003.mp4)
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Sounds nice and tight! ;) Be interested to see what it runs on the GPS.
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Sound awesome and looks great Red...very nice, clean work!
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TIGHT?????
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Barb ... don't touch that one !
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BUT........WELL OKAY
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Good compression from a motor with "tight" tolerances can be heard in the exhaust note! Get it! ;D
I'm giving her the prop that I been running on the Scimitar, it was a 23 pitch before it made a few trips to the lab, but it's a solid 24+ pitch I think, I think it will work for her, and I think it will come up to rpm, even though it will be 3" deeper in the water, the boat is shorter and lighter ... we will see. Her drive was a 1.50 ratio, thats what the Alpha One is.
5000 RPM and 7% prop slip will put it right at 70.5 MPH. I'm guessing at the slip number but 7% is considered pretty good.
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I've try'd to figure out the prop slip calculator charts, and just give it up, this prop holds more water than any prop I ever run. I do know this ... my Scimitar was turning 5200, possibly nearer 5300, cool water and mild chop, the gps indicating 73.2 mph, up there in RedWing, it seemed to be running better than that, with 20 degree cooler water, and more humidity. With the gps indicating 73.2 the speedo was covering up the M at the bottom ... kinda cool lookin at that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph9y6tFOiqU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph9y6tFOiqU)
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""Good compression from a motor with "tight" tolerances can be heard in the exhaust note! Get it! ""
yes, Got It ... a couple of the guy's here on our forum have got on a "kick" teasing about hearing a knock in my motors, we are not used to hearing the "tight" word around here .. lol
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Red those stats give about 9%(.09) slip on your Scimitar plugging in 5300 RPM and 73 MPH. Sounds about right. Here's the link I used. Kind of fun to plug the numbers in and play around with!
http://www.rbbi.com/folders/prop/propcalc.htm
we are not used to hearing the "tight" word around here .. lol
Now I got it Barb!.....LOL
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Speaking of knocking. I guess this would be kickin.
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WOW!
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Oh Yea ..
Barb .. we got to weigh that stuff .. we got "Burnin Daylight" on a Diet ya know.
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which will be louder, the stereo or the exhaust?
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Kicker is the way to go! NICE!
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Just don't stick a wake board tower on that Intmidator and mount those speakers way up high! ;D
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Good compression from a motor with "tight" tolerances can be heard in the exhaust note! Get it! ;D
I'm giving her the prop that I been running on the Scimitar, it was a 23 pitch before it made a few trips to the lab, but it's a solid 24+ pitch I think, I think it will work for her, and I think it will come up to rpm, even though it will be 3" deeper in the water, the boat is shorter and lighter ... we will see. Her drive was a 1.50 ratio, thats what the Alpha One is.
5000 RPM and 7% prop slip will put it right at 70.5 MPH. I'm guessing at the slip number but 7% is considered pretty good.
Hell .... Reds Scimitar did 70+ with a load of good old boys in MN and cornered faster than any of mine will do running flat out in a straight line! Hmmm I think I need to RE-THING the big block thing!! :o
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To me this engine the short time we had it started up didn't seem any louder than the 350 that was in it previously.
OleRed has done a wonderful job building that engine and I feel fortunate that he has blessed me to have it. I think he is the king of powerful small blocks for sure. And besides that he's my hero. I could never have had such an engine or the rebuild if it was not for him.
And yes I can tell the difference in the sounds between the 2 engines. Don't let that girl thing fool you, I like my boat to run like a scalded a$$ ape and OleRed knows that.
No wake tower no way. And yes that system will be able to be heard above the exhaust. The only piece of that equipment that will be visible is the head unit. OleRed is in charge of power and I am in charge of audio and accessories. I wired the amp in yesterday and ran all the power and speaker wires. Just have a couple small things holding me back now from finishing. Going to have a whole new look around the instruments on the entertainment side of the dash. I am also thinking of placing hidden LED lighting around in strategic places with dimmer switches. I think that will be way nice on summer evenings when we stay out on the lake and watch the moon rise. Probably a few more surprises don't want to give them all away. We added a second battery and isolator switch just to power the amp and entertainment.
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Speaking of knocking. I guess this would be kickin.
now, besides Glastron/Carlson boats, and massive amounts of horsepower, here's something I can really appreciate! ;D
I spent quite a few years building competition stereos (turning new cars and trucks into a vehicle for the stereo, rather than a stereo for the vehicle) and although I probably lost half my hearing in the process, I really enjoyed it, especially custom installs. I plan on puting together a worthy system for the Scimitar, but it certainly looks like you've got a nice set-up there! :o bring on the high amp alternator!
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Wow Barb .. I got to go to WalMart in the morning and buy me a bigger hat, I don't think anyone has Ever referred to me as a hero ... but keep it up ... I haven't drawn up your Bill yet. I do appreciate the nice things some of you have said about me here, but I got to say, again, I'm no expert on these old boats, or these motors, but I have worked on a bunch of em, I have made some mistakes along the way, trying something new, a little experimenting, but life would be boring for me if I wasn't working on a boat.
I got to tell you guy's something about Barb, it has been a nice experience for me working on her boat, couple reasons, she does a lot of the work herself, she cleans up behind the dirty work, she Ain't no sissy, not afraid of getting dirty, she watches what I'm doing to learn, ask's what she can to to help, rather than tell me how to do it, and Often, she is handing me a tool to use before I even know I need it .. thats kinda neat, and she don't like cutting corners to save a buck, she loves her boat, just like the rest of us, and she wants it done right, and if it takes a little longer got get it right, she understands. Barb brings her own "tool purse" and has some really neat tools, and helps me keep up with the one's I just layed down.
We will get the lower unit back tomorrow, put in a new impeller, mount it to the new drive, and probably align the motor and drive Thursday, a tenitive schedule is to give it a lake test Saturday. and Yes .. I'll bet your won't have any problem hearing the Tune's over the exhaust, and Yes again, she is doing all that part by herself.. she certainly understands wiring .. she done that for about 32 years.
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...The only piece of that equipment that will be visible is the head unit. ...
I hate seeing collector items hacked up for something as simple as a stereo. Now adding new technology in a stealthy fashion, that is pretty darn cool!
I like the idea of subdued LED lighting. I look forward to hearing about the other electronic goodies you are sneaking in.
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Great job Barb! You too Red. Looks awesome!
Granpappy Jack always ordered his Plymouth Furys 'radio delete'. I remember him saying on several occasions "the radio distracts the driver". I recall he wasn't too fond of what he deemed unnecessary gauges & other interior gadgets either ...
Anyway I agree the stealthy approach to tunes & lighting is the only way to fly. With todays technology there's no reason for a speaker, or light fixture to be visible. 'Specially on a classic boat. Guess if I had a bigger model I might have tunes too. But with this one I'm content to listen to the motor. Plus tunes weigh ...? Heh heh
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The only way that I would put another hole in Burnin Daylight is if I was shooting at the ba$tard that was messing with it and missed.
By the way it has a pioneer cassette player in it thats been in there since before I bought it 16 years ago. I am going to be creative and close that hole up some to fit the Kenwood ipod/mp3/cd player that weighs 2.5 pounds into it. There is also a mechanical clock in the dash that is coming out and I have another fashionable little purpose for that cutout. When I am done people will be copying it.
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All very very nice. What the heck are you going to do when you're all done Barb?
I know what Red's going to be doing.
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I'm going to enjoy the heck out of it. I go to Lake of the Arbuckles nearly every weekend from March til Nov. I have a little place down there and its about a 2 hour drive from home. Old Burnin Daylight has always been a work horse for skis and tubes and etc.... She has raised a couple of families on the water and will continue to be used just like she was before.
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I will be interested in seeing some pictures of your Intimidator with the new stereo. Maybe a Youtube with all the sites and sounds. ;D
Great work Barb and Red!
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Good job to the both of you. Its nice to hear that your boat is going the way you planned it i hope you have a ton of fun with it.
This is what our passion for these boats are all about.
Tom
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Andy, that man cave of yours is looking Great !
Yes, it's really Kool to see this baby coming together, the last two day we have rolled it outside and worked on it in the sunlight. This Oklahoma weather is the only issue we have had, last two day's have been Beautiful, sunny 70's today and tomorrow, but Sunday, more weather coming in, high's in the 20's and 30's all next week, low's predicted 5 to 9 degrees, so we are pushing pretty hard to get it ready for a lake test tomorrow.
I got the drive installed yesterday, really looks good on there ( Barb forgot to take a pic ) ::)
I got the nose cone on the lower unit ground to form last night and started the epoxy fill, will get that finished and installed today, then get the front seats mounted for the lake test.
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Looking goooood!!
A bit more of a point than you put on your drive isn't it? Nice. I assume you weld on a aluminum spine then fill it with epoxy?
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Hi Chris, yes, welded on the point, then filled it in with the 5 minute epoxy weld stick, I didn't measure the two, it may be a little longer.
It's about ready for the lake test tomorrow, I just put the front seats in for the lake test, we will finish up with the carpet, next week, Barb has a few more little, things, she wants to add this baby for the Red Wing show ... this is a fun project, I never know what she's gonna come up with next.
She did find out how Sharp the leading edge's of the prop is today.
Check out the second picture .. I'm gettin some wild idea about this pic.
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After getting the drive mounted on Barb's Intimidator today, I noticed it looked higher than usual, I got a measuring tape to it, then measured the drive height on my Scimitar to find out it is the same height .. this Intimidator has not been modified, so I quess that explains why the Intimidator has such a raised motor cowl, and the exhaust pipes as well. I had been wondering about Barb running this prop, because of the depth in the water .. well I quess I don't have to wonder any more, it will be the same depth as my boat ... thats Kool !
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I see another line forming on the dock at Red Wing! Do you and or Barb take bribes???? I want a ride AGAIN! ;D
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Hey Red & Barb that Alpha drive looks beautiful hanging off the transom! 8)
Red - The whole raised X-dimension on the Intimidator has to be about the most interesting little piece of info on these Glastron Carlson boats that I've heard in a long time. I can't remember that ever being brought up. Guess you don't need one of those expensive, impossible to find, Alpha SS drives if your running a 'timi. That would definitely explain where the boat gets some of its speed.
Won't be surprised if Barb is able to turn something taller than a 24P.
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Red - The whole raised X-dimension on the Intimidator has to be about the most interesting little piece of info on these Glastron Carlson boats that I've heard in a long time.
I agree! Very interesting. Definitely could explain where they get some of their speed.
Looking good y'all. Now ya just need to gas her up & let her rip! WooHoo!!!
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Splash Day !
25 + mph .. Wind - lake 5ft low, but We Done It !
We only had about a 1/4 mile to run it out before we got out into the lake where it was too rough for the boat, but we done our best to stir that cove up. The exceleration is Awsome, especially from 35mph up to about 65 it holds ya back in the seat, the prop works great, but the speedo started picking up air in low seventies skipping over the waves and would fluctuate back to the 30's and 40's when we got out into the heavy chop. Actually, the best speed was 73 / 75 mph turning 4800, the chop was just too rough to trim it up much, but the boat did handle really good with this prop.
Impressing Cruise speed ... at the top of the primaries - 3000 rpm - the speed is 45 mph, that motor is using 5 to 5 1/2 gallons an hour at that setting
We took the boat by the scales on the way back from the lake, 3000 pounds with half a tank of gas on board, I figure the trailer weighs about 800 pounds, I have weighed a trailer similar to it before at the same scales.
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight032.mp4 (http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight032.mp4)
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight031.mp4 (http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight031.mp4)
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight030.mp4 (http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight030.mp4)
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight028.mp4 (http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight028.mp4)
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight027.mp4 (http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight027.mp4)
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Well, thats the first time I have ever seen a boat speedo spin a complete revolution on a boat!
Nice JOB!
Barb, you are bring that boat up to red wing this summer. I need to be intimidated!
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Great job Red, and thanks for the ride. I believe I even heard Barb squeal when the speedo hit the "P". ;)
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LOL .. yea, she was pleased, Funny though ... the wind was blowing tears back to her ears .. really. I'm anxious to take it back out in better water .. the lake was Rough, so we stayed pretty close to the cove, and I got to set the trim limit switch and gauge, we couldn't really tell where the trim was, and the rpm never got up to 5000. we will get it finished up during this cold spell, and try it out again in a couple weeks probably.
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Red, both you and Barb, I love the way you drive. ... Like you stole it and the posse is on you heals!!! ;D OMG I love it!!
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Great job Red !! nothing like the sound of a screamin V8 . it looks like Barb is gonna need a bigger speedo lol
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She needs a GPS speedo! And maybe an altimeter. That thing FLIES!
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My favorite video was when you revved it up on the trailer at the landing. Sounds mean! The Intimidator originally came w/80 MPH speedo. Like I say over on the national site, "Glastron Carlson - Made for putt'in the hammer down!" ;D
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I KNOW OLERED WAS ANXIOUS TO TRY OUT HIS POWER PLANT IN BURNIN DAYLIGHT. BUT I THOUGHT HE WAS NEVER GONNA LET ME DRIVE.!!
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Red...
AWESOME work! I'm very impressed! Excited for everyone involved!
Wow!
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Wow! Thats hauling *ss! Just wait until you have calm conditions. Must have been a heck of a ride. :o
Amazing!
The bar has been raised again. Nice work you guys.
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Red:
Unreal. When can you take mine in for an engine re-tool. I wanna go that fast ???
That thing halls a_ _......
I am just blown away. Also, Nobody mentioned the Blue Carlson in the picture. Was that a coincidence?
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Hey Andy .. I still got another 2000 model 5.7 vortec to build, a 4 bolt main thick block, I've heard this one run, it run good, so it's a good builder, has all the efi stuff, sensors and computer, but I will probably carborate it. I am anxious to put that black scorpion stuff on my new motor, and if it give's me One little problem getting it to perform, I'll carborate it too. the Carlson in the background is a friend of mine that just happened to be out at the lake that day, he brings it to the shows here.
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Okay, I have a few more motor questions for Olered....
What are these motors you are using based on? I am under the impression they are based on traditional small block Chevy motors. Is this also the case for the various motors that Mercury Marine is selling? Their 4.3, 5.0., 5.7, and just scream to me 'I am a GM short block underneath'.
What I am curious about is whether any marine motors have embraced the new LS motors which GM has been putting out for the past decade or so. Reading the car magazines it seems there is a lot of power to be made with these motors in comparison to a same size & weight SBC. And the aftermarket has come to the scene with plenty of bolt-on parts as well.
The real sexy pipe dream idea is... It is my understanding the traditional SBCs & LS motors have different motor mounts. If someone is rebuilding the floor, stringers, and so forth on a classic Glastron.... Why not also change the motor mounts and put in a LS style motor? I think that would be a great mix of a classic boat with modern performance underpinnings.
(Yeah, I know... If we all had plenty of money, time, and the tooth fairy would deliver to our doorstep.) ;D
Thanks,
-Eric
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Hi Eric, the engines I'm using are the based on the first generation LT small block 350 cid. The first one come out in the 1970 Z28 Camaro, most refer to it as a generation I sbc. With just a few changes, one piece rear main seals, roller cam lifters, higher flowing heads, over the years, the generation I was in production until 1999, and I "think" .. the last one's, including the LT I with reverse coolant flow, was used until 2002, in high performance cars, heavy duty trucks, and marine applications. I don't know a Thing about the LS engines, but I will probably be trying to learn something about them after I get my new motor built ... a man is never satisfied ya know.
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I went back to work on Barb's Intimidator today, I had not finished out the seat perche's when we took it to the lake, so I dressed them down today and started building the front "kick" panels, I will be building the front speaker mounts up on them, and I will be building a mount for the sub-woofer above the gas tank in the middle. I took the alternator to the shop to see if they could crank up the amps on it ... well, I just had to ask, but NO was his answer, so he's building a Delco marine for us that will accomidate the extra battery and system amp, he said the new alternator will put out up to 115 amps .. that should do it.
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two batteries??
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Jason, yes one for the engine and one to run the amp and entertainment side.
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Are they both connected to the alternator? I guess that works. I think they end up "sharing" each other's juice though right? Like when you jump start your car.
That boat is sure turning out nice!
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Thanks for the compliment. I hope she turns out as nice as I have it pictured. We installed a dual battery isolator switch. The engine runs on battery 1 and the entertainment will run on battery 2 or I can switch to dual and run on both or isolate either one. The alternator will charge both in the dual position with the engine running. I see this being handy for when it's time to swim or beach but still want to listen to music, or after dark I can use the LED lighting that I am installing and don't have to worry about not having enough energy to start the engine by just switching to battery 2 and isolating the engine battery. And like you say I can also jump the boat from battery no. 2 if the engine battery gets too low.
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Looking great! Very nice work.
Love the videos, can't wait to hear what that thing does full out and trimmed on good water.
So are you making a subwoofer box that fits above the gas tank? Mine does not have the original gas tank, just curious how much clearance you have there.
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Steve, I had thought of putting mine up under the front with the gas tank. but the idea of more hot wires near the tank I didn't like. I mounted my amp behind the throttle control on the side of the boat and the sub is in my center console that i made for my boat. I just bought new speakers to put upfront and back under the bench seat.
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Shrom,
I'll stop by tomorrow for the engine pull, and check it out.
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So are you making a subwoofer box that fits above the gas tank? Mine does not have the original gas tank, just curious how much clearance you have there.
Yes, it is a small box, there is not much room up there, but it is accessible with-out having to remove the console if it ever need to be replaced .. ::)
The box is 7" in depth 9" height and 10" width with a 2" port in the back.
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Well ... when Barb came over, checked out the kick panels, a kick to my groin, a right cross, she took stance for a reverse heel kick, I decided to re-construct the kick panels, I made them taller, changed the angle some to make the console centered and level. I may make a short filler strip in front of the battery, before the carpet is layed in. We set in the rear seat to see where to put the "tabs" for the side pockets, get them in and we are ready for the carpet.
Yep .. this baby is startin to take shape now.
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Looking good, Red. Are you just free-airing the front speakers or plan to enclose them? You'll lose quit a bit of sound and quality if not. You can always use the foam baffles that are commonly used in automotive door installs. Cheap and will do the job pretty well.
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I donno .. you'll have to check that one out with the sound master, she's in charge of the tunes, she is doing all the instalation, I'm just makin places to put it.
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it's gettin that close. I'll get the wood for the side pockets finished out and installed tomorrow, and the Last Hour of grinding smooth the glass edges, lookin to be ready to lay in the carpet Friday. We got another 6 inches of snow last night and this morning, was 6 degree's this morning and looking for -1 or -2 degree's in the morning, but then it's suposed to be warming up the weekend and next week plum up to the 50's.
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Wax on wax off.
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WOW !
that don't look like like the same one ... now, hurry up and get that thing back here, before ya scratch it.
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Looking good. When I installed new carpet, I went all the way back to the flotation boxes (about 4 inches past the rear panel of the back seat) so I'd have carpet in the storage area under the seat. Looks much nicer when you lift the bottom off. I'm letting my carpet free-float for the most part. With the rear seat in place it holds the back down, the front seat boxes keep it from moving there. I'll glue the front edge along the kick panel and where it meets the side of the boat. This way if something happens and I need to replace the carpet it won't be a nightmare with all the glue.
I'm in the process of a complete rewire so I know what is there and where it goes. Started building my center console today. It will house two MB Quart 6 1/2" speakers and a glove box. Need the GB for registration, sun glasses and music storage. Ordered my ski pylon and I'll be beefing up the floor under the rear deck for the mounting plate.
Will start next week working on the new seat frames and get them to the upholstery guy the first of March.
Looking forward to it's first real ski trip at the end of May when I haul it to Austin, TX for the holiday weekend.
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Hey Wil, is there a Texas meet this year ? we took the carpet back to the boxes too, you are right, it does look nice, the only thing though, you got to leave the cusion off when you put the boat away, or cover it up, to prevent mildew or mold from growing back there.
We got the carpet in, and started covering the side pocket panels, then Barb reminded me she got some cup holders she wanted installed on those panels, so, she gets cup holders ... big ones
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Oh Yea ... look what else she made me do, "get up in there and clean up all that white dust, and tighten up the bow eye while yer up in there"
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How the heck did you get up there? Must be a good bit of room because I know on my CVX 16 I could maybe fit my 25 lb. dog up there and that's it.
I plan to install a couple of stainless vents in my new rear seat frame to help with the moister issue. They make them like this and round.
Marc
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That is a GREAT picture Red !
You two are really going to town !
Thanks for sharing restro with us.
Remember watching you do yours and your B.I.L's Scimitar.
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAmn/DSC011492.jpg)
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How the heck did you get up there? Must be a good bit of room because I know on my CVX 16 I could maybe fit my 25 lb. dog up there and that's it.
I plan to install a couple of stainless vents in my new rear seat frame to help with the moister issue. They make them like this and round.
Marc
Good Plan with the vents Marc.
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I didn't think I could fit up there either, but I had to clean the fiberglass dust from up there, Barb came up with the most powerful little shop vac I ever seen, after the vacumning, I just inched my way up in there, and I got out by myself too, that even surprized me.
Got barb's cup holders done today, and the side panels aren't finished, just sit em up for the pic, we will probably get them secured tomorrow if we get the buttons covered, and if the wood grain material comes in, it will probably be Tuesday getting the interior all finished up.
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Very nice Red & Barb! Including the new interior that was already in it that Intimidator has had a complete makeover this winter. WOW! 8)
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Lookin good as usual! I dunno 'bout all the cupholders though. Normally I squeeze my cup 'tween my feet ...?
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I dunno 'bout all the cupholders though. Normally I squeeze my cup 'tween my feet ...?
LOL ... a redneck Koozy, isometric's included, what a concept !
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Barb got in the boat befor I did today, she can make as big a mess as I can, but she a Lot quicker cleaning up than I am, she installed the sub woofer and the front speakers, wired em all up, kinda funny though, she brought out a Lot more wires and stuff than she took in with her, too many extra parts I guess.
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I dunno 'bout all the cupholders though. Normally I squeeze my cup 'tween my feet ...?
LOL ... a redneck Koozy, isometric's included, what a concept !
Yup! Plus if yer cup ever runneth over only yer feets get wet. Quite refreshing actually but it don't help my gout none ...
Hey y'all the interior's lookin great! We already know it hauls a**. Keep up the good work!
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She Got Tunes ... now we are ready to put the interior together ... too windy to take it to the lake.
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight038.mp4 (http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/OleReds/?action=view¤t=burnindaylight038.mp4)
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ROCK ON BARB !
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NICE!!! I need to get back to work on mine too! I made a new deck support about 6 moths ago for Hotwired and it is still on the bench!
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hey Chris, at Least you know where it's at, I spend half my day looking for something I just layed down. send me email or give me a call when you got time to talk boat.
We took Barbs boat to Eaton Quade plastic's today for Frankie to work his magic on another one of Barb's idea's ... gonna be Cool Lookin !
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Barb doesn't make you listen to Shania Twain while you're working on the boat does she?
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Unfortunately he had to listen to me. Hmmmm....That might be why he got it to this point so quickly.
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OOOOOO O feel like a woman!! :D :D :D
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OOOOOO O feel like a woman!! :D :D :D
Perish the thought Jerry! Well I reckon there are certain websites, #s you can call, etc ... Is Mama aware of your 'outing'?
Shania's okay I s'pose, what the heck, but if'n y'ask me Alison Kraus kicks a**!
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Ya gotta watch the video Doug.
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Look what showed up in the mail.
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Can I get the number of your mail man? Mine never brings me gifts like that!! :o
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Those are my personal favorite as well.
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Notice the 80 mph speedo. Olered will be trying to make her fast enough to twist over to the P.
Red bring out the multimeter for me.
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Notice the 80 mph speedo. Olered will be trying to make her fast enough to twist over to the P.
Red bring out the multimeter for me.
I plan on putting in a 35 MPH gauge in Goldie so I can claim I've 'buried the needle' too. ;D
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OMG... I am so in love with you two.
;)
I mean.... the boats... well.... ok, yeah, the boats. ;)
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Burnin Daylight has been missing for a while. She was over at a local company Eaton Quade getting a new dash fabrication. There were alot of holes from previous owners that I wanted to cover up tastefully and Im a girl so I had to have some bling. What do you guys think? I have the carlson logo on a switch and lit with LEDs behind blue plexi.
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Here is another.
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Before. Had alot of holes.
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I love it Barb! Very cool, IMO.
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Its a great solution to a common problem for our old boats...cosmetic surgery to cover up some blemishes.
The LED is an awesome touch, very very nice job.
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Very Nice Barb! Did you run it over to the gages too? More pix! More pix!! ;D
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Anticipation!
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Looks great Barb!
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Looks good barb. I had thoughts of doing LED's on my boat under the dash and sides to give a glow at night. Looks like your getting your boat all together for this season. Keep up the good work!
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the girl just can't find a stopping point ... Now look what she's doin
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I was wondering when those were going in. this project has certainly picked up some followers, as it should. can't think of a better boat for all that power, and all those details. very nice! you keep raising the bar, and I may just keep the tarp on mine and call it a lost cause! ;)
Barb, did you get your tunes all dialed in and rockin? love the Carlson logo, turned out pretty much the way you described it to me. looks great. I love these kinds of tasteful custom touches. it's inspiration for us all. a class vessel, for sure.
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Looks good barb. I had thoughts of doing LED's on my boat under the dash and sides to give a glow at night. Looks like your getting your boat all together for this season. Keep up the good work!
So did I!
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The tunes are dialed in and rockin (thanks for the help Wex) and as a matter of fact I hooked the LEDs under the gunwales up to the dimmer switch yesterday. That's about all of the bling for now. I'm struggling to get the larger modern tach and speedo to fit into the smaller 30 year old retro hole in the dash panel. The smaller gauges fit right into their holes. Go figure had to run into a snaffoooo somewhere. Will get it solved today.
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Barb - Nice job on the recessed gauges. That's something I've wanted to do as well is adjust the gauge 'angle' so that they point more directly at the captain.
And that was done custom? Or do they have a panel that you just sized to match?
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Doran, the instrument panel is original to the boat. I'm just trying to modify it for the new instruments.
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Dang, of course it was.
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Looks good. Barb and Red, you two did a great job on the boat.
I just made a new gauge panel for my CVX and used Formica just like the original panel and backed it with 1/8" plywood for extra support and for the gauge mounting brackets to have something to bite in to.
As for the large gauges, I could not find a 3 3/8" hole saw to save my life so I bought a 3 1/4". After drilling it out I used a 2" sanding drum in my drill press and slowly worked the hole until the gauge just slipped in.
Need to finish my center console box so I can put in the two 6 1/2" speakers I bought. Went with the tried and true MB Quart brand from Germany. I've had them in every car I've had since 1986. Can't wait to hear them in the boat.
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Looks good. Barb and Red, you two did a great job on the boat.
I just made a new gauge panel for my CVX and used Formica just like the original panel and backed it with 1/8" plywood for extra support and for the gauge mounting brackets to have something to bite in to.
As for the large gauges, I could not find a 3 3/8" hole saw to save my life so I bought a 3 1/4". After drilling it out I used a 2" sanding drum in my drill press and slowly worked the hole until the gauge just slipped in.
Need to finish my center console box so I can put in the two 6 1/2" speakers I bought. Went with the tried and true MB Quart brand from Germany. I've had them in every car I've had since 1986. Can't wait to hear them in the boat.
For circle cuts, I use my dremel...it has a special circle jig, drill the center hole and you put in the pivot hole and it rotates around cutting the circle. Works really well, infinitely adjustable to any (6" or smaller) size.
Just thought I'd share...
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Doran looks like OleRed is going to cast a mold from the original dash panel with the recessed and angled gauge holes. It will then end up at Eaton Quade plastics and they will be able to reproduce the original panel but with the larger holes for the newer instruments. They have molds of the t
t tops and window winglets from OleReds scimitar which they reproduce and ship worldwide. So if your panel is like mine a 6 hole panel there is a possibility of getting an original replica.
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Oh my! Havent checked this string for a while. Very nice. Can't wait to get the speed reports.
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Very cool. The lit Carlson logo is sweet.
Now, I am curious as to how that was done. Obviously, a new panel was fit to cover the holes but in order for the logo to be lit from the rear, I would assume there are some holes? No that cant be right. The panel is too thin. Light has to get through. I guess it depends on how the logo was applied. Is it painted on the suface? Routed from the back? ??? Hmmmm
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Truly one of a kind Carlson Barb !
Just keeps gettin' better every time I check your thread.
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Here's some Kool Stuff to for motor cover, it's what they use in trunks of cars, it's pretty thin stuff, will stretch into dips and corners and keep that form, then it's easy to stick it in place, I use the 3M 99 spray adhesive.
My buddy Mike came over today and brought a broke up instrument panel off his CV-16, that he will be bringing to Red Wing in August, we got it stuck back together and will be popping a dup off it for his boat.
got the first layer of glass on Barbs panel, will finish it out for the duplicate today, the Faria gauges, speedo and tach, are a bout 1/4 " larger diameter than the original. I will modify the dup to fit the new gauges, make a mold for Frankie to vacumn form the new panel, out of the same material as the original.
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more ipc's
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Hopefully snafoo solved with the instrument dash panel. OleRed made a mold of the original, we took it to Frankie at Eaton Quade plastics, he tweaked it a little bit, ran it through his shrinking forming machine and we are somewhat close to having the dash panel modified to fit the larger newer intruments.
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hey, that's pretty nice! I wish I had one of those magic shrinky formy things... ;D
this project is turning into a tasteful combination of alot of custom touches and creative solutions. very nicely done all around.
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Thanks Steve, OleRed knows all this stuff. I'm just the bank. If and when you need replacement vents T tops etc.... for your scimitar project these guys can probably fix you up. Now that they have the mold for the CVX dash that panel that can be had also. OleRed and I have made it ea$ier for those that want it now because of the cost of the mold. These dash mods have not been cheap, but the difference in appearance will be worth it to me.
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That dash will help alot of people I'm sure. And I know what you mean about puting in the extra effort for the little details, I'm the same way!
I will be ordering new t-tops and winglets from your friends down there, and I also already put in an order with OleRed's Manufacturing for a set of solid fiberglass t-tops like he is making for himself, and will paint them to match the boat when I paint it, then I will be able to switch them out and run either or. I've got a dash mod of my own coming up as well, but I haven't made a final decision on which material I'm using.
Hope yours works out for ya without too much fiddling!
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" OleRed's Manufacturing "
I'm thinkin' the same thing ... LOL
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Effen a!
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Now that they have the mold for the CVX dash that panel that can be had also.
It would be great if you guy's could post cost, contact info, etc. for these dash panels under the "the Vendor Repair & Resources" section of the forum when you get a chance. Nice work! ;)
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The Instrumrnt Panel is Done !
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more pic's
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awesome.
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Barb - do you happen to know the height of your dash panel? I'm thinking its to narrow for Goldie:
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Doran,
I can tell you only because I have the CVZ and the Intimidator here, it's a different set-up.
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Doran,
I can tell you only because I have the CVZ and the Intimidator here, it's a different set-up.
Figured as much.
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80 mph...you might need an 85 or 90, by the time red gets it dialed in.
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While I was dealing with the instrument panel and wiring harnesses OleRed was installing these. Yep the postman loves me, new chrome bilge exhaust vents.
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Everything is look'in awesome - can't wait to see it in August.
Jim
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OleRed mfg..... OleRed working on the instrument dash mold.. Sorry couldn't rotate the picture..
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAmn/OleRed_mfg_Small.jpg)
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"OleRed Manufacturing"... now see what I started! ;)
that is one fine example you are buildin there Barb. I just suggest that you keep playin nicey nice with me, cause OleRed's got his eye on my Intimidator, and the last thing you want is another Intimidator built by OleRed's Manufacturing down there in OKC! so far I am not willing to let her go, but I am considering bribes... ;D
seriously though, I am really enjoying watching yours come together, it's giving me alot of motivation to get started on mine as soon as the Scimitar is done.
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I can't just let him hang there.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/50sflash/OleRedmfgSmall.jpg)
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As long as OleRed finances the next project that is peachy keen with me. All those little adornments for Burnin Daylight and new engine are already close to 10k to include the reclear, pinstripes, and painting the trailer that was done last summer. I think OleRed is starting to get a little attached to her though. We have to fight over who is going to drive it like 2 little kids. Weather is supposed to be really nice here on Tuesday and every little thing should be finished by then and she is going to the water. So if you get a breaking new report from Oklahoma that a blue hair hit an ole man over the head with her shoe in an argument over who was gonna drive the boat don't be alarmed. LOL. This picture is from the day that I threw the blade off the prop last fall.
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Yup... agressive style, classic lines, and a well preserved exterior. and hey, there's a pretty nice lookin boat in that picture too! ;D
I can understand why the two of you fight over who's gonna drive. good luck with your first run in good conditions, I know we are all waiting to hear what the results are. honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this thing hits or breaks the 80 mark. I'm hoping it does, I want to know how these hulls handle at that speed.
sounds like you are gettin into boating season down there... I just realized the other day that boating season here starts in a few weeks. I am ready! pictures like this make me realize just how much I love the water.
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" Yup... agressive style, classic lines, and a well preserved exterior. and hey, there's a pretty nice lookin boat in that picture too! "
...LOL
Two classics for sure !
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And it just keeps on getting better. What an excellent example of style and performace. It is truely a one of a kind. You are going to have to slow down once in awhile though so people can actually see what it looks like, right Barb?
Seriously, I wonder at what speed that hull might start to get snakey.
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But remember that video of a Glastron doing 125 MPH. Glastrons must have a well thought out hull design.
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Got-er done !
Took it out late yesterday evening for a "cruise" was a really nice evening, just couldn't help it .. and Barb done All the drivin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_6FLOwkZe8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_6FLOwkZe8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyRNLscXG20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyRNLscXG20)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTrzFzbVAfM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTrzFzbVAfM)
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Unbelievable job you two :o I can't wait to see it at the meet in August!
Now all you have to do is enjoy it...shouldn't be toooo tough ;D
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Now that's "Burning Daylight" :)
Do we have a top speed report yet?
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I love it. Looks like you could use a little more prop. It wasn't even working hard.
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Congrats on a job well done, Y'all! ;)