Minnesota Classic Glastron Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: 007glastron on October 08, 2013, 07:10:34 PM
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Found some great used bayliner seats to replace my original seats with :P. Just kidding. So far I have found a wiring issue that fried the original tachometer (wasn't working when I purchased), and cleaned all the wiring up with a new tach. Received my new steering wheel, and am now setting my sites on the floor to place carpet back in this beauty. Still unsure about upholstery. But any change will be like the steering wheel. It will just be renewed but original. New working tach.... Complete. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz21JTtfhzY#)
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Now that you fixed the tachometer, you need a new speedometer that goes above 50 :)
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Found some great used bayliner seats to replace my original seats with.......
I almost popped!
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I read that twice in disbelief!
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Now now, don't be bashin Bayliner. I gotta 19' 'Arriva' sitting in the shop. New bow cover, cockpit cover, motor cover(150 Farce) AND full/storage cover. $2300 job.
Personally I think the guy's outa his mind but his money appears to be green ...
Before I fergit, it has really nice 'looking' helm chairs. God only knows what they're made of but they do look killer ...?
Have some pics tomorrow
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Now now, don't be bashin Bayliner. I gotta 19' 'Arriva' sitting in the shop. New bow cover, cockpit cover, motor cover(150 Farce) AND full/storage cover. $2300 job.
Not to hyjack the thread but those Farce 150's are an interesting engine, 5 cylinders in-line with 3 carburetors.
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Honestly I always thought the old Chryslers were a pretty good little engine...Mercury is really the only US made outboard any more when you think about it...
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Update on upholstery. I decided on black to bring out the metal flake. Here is my first project completed center console with new black vinyl from Veada INC. Quality is better than I expected. Carpet has not arrived yet. Next will be side pads, and front storage doors. Also really cool thing is Veada has the button caps to match the vinyl.
Before and after:
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That is BEAUTIFUL!!!
Rich
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Not original but I have to say that looks sweet! Will seats be black too?
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Thank you! The seats will retain there original pattern with the 3 stripes one large and two slim lines on the outside of the large one. Will be taking the seats to a professional. The seat colors will be a close match to what they are now but the slim stripes will change from brown to black. No other place in the boat is there brown, so I don't really understand why originally brown was placed there. And the side pads will be a continuation of the black from the windshield and driver console retaining there buttons.
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................so I don't really understand why originally brown was placed there.
It was 1984.........I think it was a law to have at lease some brown in EVERYTHING! Kind of like teal and pink in 1992! I think the black stripes will be an improvement.
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Well, brown would be in the same color family as the tan...so the accent stripes are brown vs. black.
I liked them and think it looked great with the color pallet of the OEM upholstery.
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The 1984 brochure lists your CVX as "Brown MF".
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I see, the brochure does list a brown M/F. But wouldn't my boat look like the Cv 16 above in the picture. I think it's actually the coral M/F. ;D Oh crap, that means pink is in there some place.
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I think your boat is Coral (Red). The vinyl colors of the brown boat were different.
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On my phone & laptop your boat looks brown ...
Dane ..
Are there any pictures of coral boats in the brochures ?
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In the '84 brochure the 16 is brown, the 17 is blue, the 18 is brown, the 20 Intimidator is coral, the ski machine is brown, the sprint is blue and the 23 is plum. The upholstry has a wide Blue, brown, or red stripe pattern. Since 007s has the wide red stripe upholstry the metalflake should be coral.
In '85 they dropped down to two color patterns for the interior. Blue for the Blue hull and Red for the Black, Silver, or Red hulls. However the Intimidator was shown in Blue with the Red stripe interior.
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Thanks for setting me straight Dane ...
Coral Timmi ... Right ?
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAMNpic%203/coralTimmy1_zpsb02c7520.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/CGOAMNpic%203/coralTimmy1_zpsb02c7520.jpg.html)
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Thanks for setting me straight Dane ...
Coral Timmi ... Right ?
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAMNpic%203/coralTimmy1_zpsb02c7520.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/CGOAMNpic%203/coralTimmy1_zpsb02c7520.jpg.html)
I'd say red. What year is that timmi?
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" I'd say red. What year is that timmi? "
Unsure ... It was at the Red Wing meet.
Coral Timmi from 1984 brochure ...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAMNpic%203/1984GCcvx20_zpsa3cb0c9f.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/CGOAMNpic%203/1984GCcvx20_zpsa3cb0c9f.jpg.html)
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well, now Glastron has really thrown me for a loop! That does like like the article picture and would have to be "coral". 007....Maybe you got a custom order????
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I think the '84 brochure shot of the Intimidator is a little flat and the actual color is a little brighter. Coral is often more pink. The Carlson coral looks like a cross between apricot and red to me. I think 007s boat looks sharp. His color doesn't look brown on my monitors.
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I took a lot of pictures of that Timmi, because it was the first red (Coral) one I had ever seen, and the one I posted was the clearest shot of the bunch.
Looked at my lap top from every angle and his CVX still looks brown ... LOL
Sorry for messing up your thread Rob ...
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You didn't mess it up. I like reading all point of views. Here is my last run with a new viper 19p. The previous owner had NGK spark plugs. I didn't change them out yet but my book calls out for Champion UL77V. I read that Champion QL16V is an alternative for better idle and still has great WOT characteristics. Since my engine at trolling speed is a little rough I would like to know what your guys opinion is on trying out the QL16V plug. The plugs retail for 10 to $12 each but found them for $6.40 each on (low cost boating store DOT com).
Glastron CVX-17 viper prop 19p (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvY9ZWKRas#)
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Sounds strong and healthy to me! What kind of RPM's?
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well, Im not sure, because that tach I installed started to go crazy. But I have to say..... by listening to the engine with the 17p aluminum, and the 21p turbo prop I tested the 19p viper sounds like I am in the pocket. I will have to investigate the tach in the spring since it's all winterized now. The previous owner said 6000 rpms with the 17 he had on there. I have no idea why he would run that prop??? The hole shot is crazy fast, and the speed up to 40-45mph is almost instant. makes me curious what the viper 20p would be like. 53mph full tank and two adults.
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What year is your 140 HP Johnson? Johnson changed from rating horsepower in 1985 from powerhead to propshaft.
I tried the equalivent to a Viper (SST II) on my CVX-16 with a 1985 115 HP prop rated Johnson. A Raker is 1 1/2 MPH faster. Your RPM 's must be quite high because with a Raker 20" my RPM's are about 5,700 and with a Raker 22" about 5,500.
I have tried the surface gap (QL78V) and electrode (QL77J4) gapped at .030 and am staying with electrode for now.
Here is my thread on the national site for the fastest prop for a CVX-16 with a 115 HP OMC:
http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=8603 (http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=8603)
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I am pretty sure it is an 84. It's a bummer I didn't really figure out my tach issue yet. But for sure I was running more RPM's with that 17 he had on there. So at least I feel better about that. The model # is J14 OTL CRD . The Ql16v is a surface gap like OEM UL77v. Im to curious, ill have to by a set. I wish we were in the month of May.
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If the previous owner was serious about waterskiing there would be a good case for the 17" prop. Better hole shot and higher RPM at 36 mph.
OMC props for that motor when it was new would have included 13x19, 12 3/4 x 21 and 12 3/4 x 23 in alum and SST. A 13x19 would be a good ski prop and on that hull you could turn the 12 3/4 x 21, and maybe get higher speed with the 12 3/4 x 23 but suffer from a poor hole shot. They haven't made the 12 3/4" diameter for a long time now and the 100 cube 140s stuggle a bit with larger diameter props so you might have to give up a little pitch.
There are often some deals on older SST props out there. I found a NOS 13 x 19 SST for a hundred bucks in 2012 still in the box on Ebay.
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What year is your 140 HP Johnson? Johnson changed from rating horsepower in 1985 from powerhead to propshaft
I'm pretty sure the 1984 140 is still rated at the prop shaft, I believe they changed it back in 1977-78. That's the exact engine I had on my 1984 CVX 16 with a 19" Stainless it would go 55-56 all day long. I hate to say it but it was always cold blooded and was rough at trolling speeds but they sure get up and go.
Do you still have the VRO hooked up, lot of views on that subject, I'm currently running it in my 1999 Johnson 115, that engine has been the best running engine I've ever owned, but I regret not putting a 140 back on it.
Joe
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The 140 HP cross flow became the 115 HP cross flow about 1985 when Johnson came out with the 140 HP looper in 1985. My sources say Johnson changed horsepower ratings in the mid 1980's over a period of about three years.
My 1985 Johnson owners manual gives recommendations for sustained low speed spark plugs and sustained hight speed spark plugs. Plugs foul more at low speeds and the electrode plugs are recommended. For high speeds, the surface gap are suggested.
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The VRO was taken out about 5 years ago from previous owner. Ill go with the surface gap plugs. High speed is what I aim for 8)
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Coral ?
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Looks Coral to me. Also look at Barb's Hot Knots
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looked at hot knots and it looks brown :D.
Started carpet install, put center console in just to see what it's going to look like. Actually the more I look at my boat it looks copper.
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Black carpet huh? Looks nice......gonna have to keep your sandals on though!! :o
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Yep ... I would call that Copper ...
Glastron/Carlson didn't always go by what the there brochures say ...
Remember the 4 yellow CVX17's ?
It looks great no matter what color it is !
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Ya, think I'd call it copper 'fore brown too Gregg.
Cool hull. C500 with a lil dose of roids. Foot longer, 2" deeper, inch narrower. Load cap 'bout the same but rated to 140 vs 125hp.
Speaking of prop rated HP. It didn't happen early as '77. But by '83 & definitely '84, all OMC were prop rated.
If'n yer motor's a VRO (working or not) it's a safe bet it's prop rated hp.
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Yea, it's copper/orange flake.
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95% complete. Decided to keep original seat upholstery and spend the money on a bunk trailer. The list: New shift/throttle cables, steering wheel, side pad upholstery, carpet, plug wires, plugs, speakers, stereo, Original tachometer, and a matching OMC speedometer. Have rectifier on order for the Tachometer. Still charging battery, but after all I've read, and seen it's my last hope to get accurate RPM readout. 1st picture is Before work.
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More Pictures. And video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdNErbAS5Zc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdNErbAS5Zc)
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Did you remember the tach reading at 53? Those ride a little heavier in the water than the CVX 16's. The 84 crossflow would be high compression requiring premium fuel. Unless you changed the head gaskets. Had a neighbor ran reg in his 83 but the new owner got a new powerhead. They said it was a faulty oil injection. 84 was the first year for VRO but were not Ethanol proof. We're still getting some 86 octane non ethanol in our tank until they can't get it. Then a blended mix of premium 91 and reg 84. There's a formula on line for blending to show the new octane. Some say having old fuel loses its octane and some say it's a myth. Ethanol tends to lose it as it absorbs water. That's why it's a no-no.
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Still working on the Tach issue. Rectifier is on it's way, I've had spike readings that are not accurate. I only use non ethanol Regular gas 91 octane. Unless I buy some gas on the lake witch is not often. Possibly after this weekend I will have gotten that rectifier installed and I can actually do some prop test. Ill post on this page my results with rpm ranges.
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Love watching your resto, should be getting my 17 back from fiberglass shop within a month, so yours is all ive got to look at, great job, by the way. Chris
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Looking good! Just have to keep your sandals on so your feet to cook!!
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Thanks guys! Rectifier is in and Tachometer is working perfectly now :) That viper 13 7/8ths X 19 @ 53mph is Running 5800 with motor trimmed out. This is with 3/4 full tank and two people. Already got my hands on a 12 3/4 X 23 original prop from the 80's. And this prop failed my expectations. Was hoping for a little increase in RPMs with the smaller diameter, and enough decrease RPM's because of the pitch. With the math I was thinking it would even out to a safe RPM range. Hole shot was satisfactory, not much bow lift, and just a little longer up on plane then the 19. So I gave it some gas, and it spins out, looses grip on the water. Brought the throttle up real slow. 49mph @ 4900rpm. I got my eyes set on the same viper prop @ 20 pitch now just to bring my RPM's down a little. Will keep the 19 if I ever load more than 2 people. My boat must like more blade surface and cupping. I wonder if the cv16's sat the lower unit in the water more? Motor on my cvx is bolted on to the lowest setting but it seems to jump out of the surface of the water.
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Beautiful boat ! Keep posting picture !
I have my motor up, second from the bottom hole which puts my cavitation plate one inch above bottom of ( CV16 ) hull.
Picked up a few MPH by doing so, and huge improvements in handling at speeds !
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/76%20CV16%20blue/motortransomwedgeq1_zps3bcfb276.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/76%20CV16%20blue/motortransomwedgeq1_zps3bcfb276.jpg.html)
Only draw back is your steering set up, might be to much of a angle if you have splash well or transom mounted cable.
If you have tilt tube set up and a good angle for cable you'll be OK ...
Or you might have to cut a new hole in splash well for cable.
Believe Dane (Aquamanic) has same boat/motor as you, he might have some idea on motor height & pitch and brand of prop.
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I see. Lower units do sit more in the water on the cv 16's. Mine is bolted all the way at the lowest level. So my boat is already 3 to 3 7/8ths from bottom of the pad. And there is an interesting cut out. Don't know if that actually helps, or causes a low pressure area.
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My brother's 2010 Ranger had the same hull design, think most of the newer bass boat use that design (cut out).
Maybe acts as a set back at high speeds, people on Scream & Fly could give you the tech. info.
I've heard your cavitation plate should be one inch above hull for best (straight line) performance, so that's where I set mine but would guess you would get prop blow out pretty bad in turns.
Doug has his motor on bottom holes and hasn't had any water pressure problems on either of his hulls (V-153 & 15' Baja) but I was worried so placed mine on second hole up from bottom.
I have a water pressure gauge on mine and seem to get good psi at all speeds (10 psi at idle & 20 something at top speed).
I would put your motor on second hole from bottom and see what happens ... If your steering set up will allow it.
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I used a 23SS OMC prop last fall and it ran exactly the same as a 21 Aluminum. About 52 @ 5800. CVX16 w/140 small block Looper. The 23 has too small of blade area for a boat of any size. The step on the transom was what I thought you had. Bass boat design to mount the cav plate level with it. As the water leaves the pad and goes up it works the same as a jack plate giving full bite.
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My boat is a 1987 CVX-16 with a propshaft rated 1985 115 HP Johnson. I tested a 22" Lightspeed, an OMC 21" 2-blade bronze, two 21" SST II props, a 20" and 22" Raker, and a 23" SRX.
The test results are on the National Glastron site.
http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=8603 (http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=8603)