Minnesota Classic Glastron Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: GIL_CV21 on July 31, 2015, 06:57:20 PM
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Got the bow done , it goes pretty quick just a couple of hours .
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Looks killer Gil! Bout time ya gave us an update ...
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Thanks Doug , it didnt come without incident though , I kinda broke my new in the box NOS 41 year old Glastron horn. trying to get a picture of it on the bow . The good news is i still have the one you gave me . :-/
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AWESOME flake p0rn Gil !
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Looks amazing!!!
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All kidding aside. Depth of the finish is truly spectacular Gil. Outstanding!
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I hope I never meet you on the water Gil! I will need a tow because I will be blinded by the reflection!
Good job on the finish. I only hope when I do my gel job on my CVZ it turns out just as good.
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Simply amazing !
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Best color I have seen on a glastron! Looks great. Nice work
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Thank you all for the kind words . Its been a long time getting to this point , i can almost actually picture this thing sitting in water lol .
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Fantastic Gil!
I still love your yellow GT 160. I believe you sold that. Flawless.
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Almost done buffing it out , another hour or so and i will be ready to start putting it back together . Gel-coat is a ton of work , if this were a paint job I'd be done years ago lol .
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Beautiful !
Another one saved !
Keep up dates and pictures coming !
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Wheredoyah think you are Florida ?? LOVE IT !!
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Its startin to look like CV21 , just have to polish the top rail and install .
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Very nice, all that hard work really pays off in the end. It looks new again and you are going to be the bell of the ball.
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if this were a paint job I'd be done years ago.
Well, that should explain the delay ...
Lookin bad azz Gil!
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Amazing work!
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BEAUTIFUL ! ! !
My top wind shield rail could use some buffing also ...
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WOW! That looks incredible, Gil. All the work is paying off. Better then new!
I dont recall, since this rebuild has been going on for some time but what power plant is/was in there? 455?
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WOW! That looks incredible, Gil. All the work is paying off. Better then new!
I dont recall, since this rebuild has been going on for some time but what power plant is/was in there? 455?
Thanks Rosscoe , yea it has a 455 olds sittin quietly in the corner of the garage waitin for its turn .
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Great work, looks like new. I cant remember how did the motor run when you took it out?
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Great work, looks like new. I cant remember how did the motor run when you took it out?
Good question , i never heard it run , i never bothered to mess with it because i knew i was going to go through it and besides the carburetor and wiring were pretty much disintegrated .
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Oh My! Looks like it sat a the bottom of a lake for a spell
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Yah I member she was a lil rough when ya first got her.
Come a long way. Luv the big flake.
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Are you going to rebuild the motor ?
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Are you going to rebuild the motor ?
I'm going to have it broken down for inspection and i hope theres more good than bad an ugly . I'm hoping just minor stuff like cleaning out holes bearings and seals/gaskets who knows ? Gil
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Love the easy access to the plugs on those, with that exhaust. Hope its salvageable. Might not be the best option for breathing however?
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The dash has new burlwood vinyl, i mounted the dash and gauges and the steering wheel and rack & cable are going in next .
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That really POPS! Gil!
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Looks great! Keep the pictures coming.
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Looks AWESOME Gil !
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A couple more with the restored wheel and NOS rack and cable
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OH YA !
Beautiful !
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First time its seen the light of day this year , the motor is getting sent off to the machine shop this week for a tear down , inspection and mild rebuild .
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Very beautiful Gil!
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BEAUTIFUL !
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The good the not so good and the ugly . The good the crank will only need .010 under grind , the is just your original run of the mill 1970 455 that hasn't been taken apart and doesn't have any cracks yea ! The not so good is hole number three has some pitting from it sitting for so many years , the machinist thinks a .060 bore will remove them if not it will have to be sleeved and the block decked "cha ching" . The ugly , the heads are your run of the mill 2.00 intake nothing special heads that need a complete overhaul that have already been worked on as in knurled guides and they're warped to boot . I'm going to focus on getting the block done with new forged pistons (gonna try to get at least 9 to 1 ) , forged rods , a more aggressive cam and lifters . The next thing will be aluminum heads with 2.075 intakes the adjustable rockers . I'm kicking myself in the arse for selling my little 160 .
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" I'm kicking myself in the arse for selling my little 160 . "
Every time you get that feeling ...
Just look at this picture ...
Everything's good now !
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Incredible!
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Still has the original style nylon tooth timing gear on it. Not a lot of piston choices for the Olds motors. The factory heads all have about the same 78-80 cc and compression is achieved from the pistons. Edelbrock alum. heads are 77 cc not much different. There is another alum. head brand that is cheaper , don't know what cc they are. Pistons range from the low comp. 8.1 to the higher range of 9.75. Olds uses a dished piston ,they do make special ones that have flat top and domed but that's too much compression for pump grade gas. Let me know if you find a 9.1 . You can run more compression with alum. heads. Did it have a oil windage tray at the oil pump?
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windage tray pict.
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Hey Glenn , it didn't have a windagetray its your garden variety 455 car motor . The original motor would have been a 73 or 74 with the ka heads , this one is a 70 , obvious whoever had it turned that one into junk . I'm gonna stick it out with this one , there are a couple of aftermarket aluminium heads out there with pretty small chambers , im still looking into them . I wanted to just get this pig running half way decent while i build a real motor but its not looking like that now . So if all goes according to plan im hoping to get it above 400 hp maybe more , so if i see the tach hit better than 5050 rpm with an "A" impeller i'll know i am over 400 .
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The high performance motors had the windage trays . Does it have the oil cooler on it? I am interested in how it does with the better exhaust manifolds that you have than the factory ones . Not the old Barr ones in your picts.
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The engine parts are startin to trickle in , just got the forged H beam rods , timing gears and chain , the forged flat top pistons are on a truck somewhere on their way here . I had the machinist sleeve number three, that way im keeping the bore to .030 over , as soon as he gets the pistons he'll finish the boring and honing . I'm having him assemble a short block with oiling modification , crank and pistons then i'll finish it .
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Nice job! I see you are selling the old heads so you must be going with the alum .ones . With flat top pistons you will be about 11.5 comp. ratio . You will need special gas or octane boost for it.
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Nice job! I see you are selling the old heads so you must be going with the alum .ones . With flat top pistons you will be about 11.5 comp. ratio . You will need special gas or octane boost for it.
They're almost flat top +12 cc it should be around 10.2 with the thicker head gasket I hope lol .
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The motor is going back together , the only parts that are original are the block and crank . I guess a mild freshin up went out the window .
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Nothing ever easy ... Or CHEAP !
LOL
Lookin' GOOD !
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I am almost ready to paint the engine , spent a good part of the day today messin with the push rod guide plates to get the roller rockers to ride across the center of the valves , it took some time but worked out well . I installed the timing chain cover , water pump and the fuel pump , keep in mind you have to clearance Edelbrock heads where the fuel pump mounts . I have to either buy tall valve covers or buy 1/2 inch spacers for my stock covers too fit over the rocker studs more money lol.
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Looks GREAT Gil ! Noticed the fuel pump and wanted to let you know that the center small line on that pump
always has fuel pressure ,its a return line to the gas tank on cars. The original pumps had a vent line in case of a diaphragm rupture to the carb. Cant use the pump you have for that purpose. I did it years ago and still have the pump I couldn't use. Have never been able to find an original style Berkeley style fuel pump for the Olds.
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Thanks Glenn , im glad you pointed that out before i tried to fire it , i was just gonna run it to the fuel over flow tube on the carb . that could have ended badly . Gil
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Search 455 Olds fuel pump Performance Boats. Check out the article.
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This baffle is good to keep the hot oil off the bottom of the intake manifold when using the fiber intake gaskets.
They ( Mondello) say not to use the original steel style ones on alum. heads and manifolds cause they will leak
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It bolts right in where the small original one is, cost about 40 dollars.
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Very pretty, I hope your engine finish stands the test of time. I see your running HEI dizzy, will it work as a centrifugal advance only, to provide the correct curve? I just noticed the vac advance, something I don't see operational very often on boats. Come to think of it, never seen a marine dizzy with vac advance, must be my first.
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All the Berkeley Packajets with the 455 Olds had vacuum advance . They were different and also used a water pump instead of a block off plate. I read the reason was to make sure the engine block was full of water at low speeds.
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The pictures and info. are out of a Berkeley manual .
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Gil,
If you have trouble with the pulleys lining up wanted to let you know the non a/c water pump is shorter than the a/c pump.
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Thanks again Glenn , the crank pulley and the pump pulley are the originals , the crank pulley has a shim behind it to match the waterpump . I was able to find a new pump at the same height as the original pump that came with it . I'm going to try the distributor with or without the vacuum advance to see which works better , the distributor is a cheap chinese unit, if it doesnt work out i'll go with a brand name marine unit later on . I shot the engine with VHT high temp engine paint and VHT high temp clear after i de-greased the whole thing , its an engine its gonna get greasy and dirty not much i can do to stop that in the environment its gonna live in , it should look pretty good for a few years at least lol . Gil
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Going on next .
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WOW ! Beautiful job!
That's a good idea to try the dist. with and without vacuum advance . 10-12 degrees of timing on the timing tag should be about right with vacuum line off 800-1000 rpm. You will have to experiment with it a little.
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Looks great Gil!
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Looks great Gil!
Thank you Doug !
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The manifolds outlets are lower by about 3-4 in. than stock ones . Was wondering what your plan was for that?
I like how you left the ends of the heads unpainted.
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The manifolds outlets are lower by about 3-4 in. than stock ones . Was wondering what your plan was for that?
I like how you left the ends of the heads unpainted.
I checked the original manifolds that came with the boat against these and they were the same size all the way around , i think the outlets are higher on mine not sure ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_onUwx-jXA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_onUwx-jXA)
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That sounds awesome!!!
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That sounds awesome!!!
Thanks Dorlese , what the video doesnt show is the hour long bonehead show before starting with the classic distributor in 180 off , some of the back fires sounded like a civil war cannon lol . Gil
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Looks GREAT !
Sounds GREAT !
Can't wait to see it RUN GREAT !
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Sounds great Gil, all your hard work is starting to pay off. Been there done that with the timing off,you can always tell when its 180 off by all the backfire . That's good you ran it before installing it in case of any problems.
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Sounds great Gil, all your hard work is starting to pay off. Been there done that with the timing off,you can always tell when its 180 off by all the backfire . That's good you ran it before installing it in case of any problems.
Thanks Glenn , aside from a couple of leaks , mainly the rear intake/ block seal and one of the oil lines weeping and a couple of noisy valves it looks pretty good so far . Once i get those issues straightened out i'll be putting it back into the boat , the last time those two were together was five years ago . Gil
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I quit using the rubber end pieces because of the leak problems on the intake .
Silicone gasket maker works best and they have a copper colored one that would
be a good color match for you. You may not like this idea but I have pulled them
out in place, when they are new, and cleaned area good then squeeze silicone in
being careful not to use too much. That stopped the leak 100 % Nothing to loose
if you are going to remove the intake to fix it anyways . I f its leaking now its really
going to leak at high RPM.
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I quit using the rubber end pieces because of the leak problems on the intake .
Silicone gasket maker works best and they have a copper colored one that would
be a good color match for you. You may not like this idea but I have pulled them
out in place, when they are new, and cleaned area good then squeeze silicone in
being careful not to use too much. That stopped the leak 100 % Nothing to loose
if you are going to remove the intake to fix it anyways . I f its leaking now its really
going to leak at high RPM.
I'm leaning in that direction with just a good thick bead of silicone , it didnt leak much but too much to let go
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Final timing check and carb adjustment and leak check , its got a nice lumpy idle at 850 rpms lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN7WC05cTuQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN7WC05cTuQ)
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Sounds incredible. Looks just as good!
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Looks and sounds AWESOME Gil !
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The engine is in , all i have to do is hook it up , and i can water test it .
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Almost there Gil!