Amsoil Saber 100:1 oil for Pre-mix

[wiliermdb]

Does anyone here use this product or have any knowledge of it?  I was just reading many articles about how individuals are running all years of Evinrude/Johnson V4's at the 100:1 mix ratio and have never had any issues.

Amsoil claims you can run a 50:1 motor at the 100:1 ratio due to there oil make-up? I would like to run it in my 1977 Evinrude 115 and my 1986 Evinrude 88 SPL.

[David CVX-16]

The Scream and Fly Forum has discussions on oils, props, engine setups, i.e., topics for those who want to go fast. This thread talks about Amsoil vs. other oil products on the market and may provide you with the information you are seeking.

 http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?216344-Amsoil-2.5-260HP&highlight=synthetic+oil

Also try using search words

http://www.screamandfly.com/

[dorelse]

I run my V6 235HP Johnson on it on the CVZ-19.  Mrs. CVZ-19 gets migraines from the 2 stroke smell and this seems to keep the fumes down.

However...I do not run the old girl at 100:1, I mix for 85:1/90:1 and I've had no complaints.  The previous owner ran it for years on 100:1 and compression is still good on the engine...so I'd say its good stuff.

BUT...having said that...I've made the switch back to 50:1 conventional, for a few reasons, but around my area, no one is using it and the guy I've found who worked on OMC's for years advised me to get it back to conventional.  That was enough for me.

[Laine73GT160]

If a new synthetic oil dose work safely at lower oil to gas mix it would be great.  Think just last year all boat motors became 4 strokes (government mandated?).  I am not going to use my boat for a test.  2 stroke motors do pollute the water.  How long do you think it will be before someone wants to regulate the old 50/1 oil burner on the back of my boat?  Johnson tried with my motor to burn cleaner with the oil injection.  It mixes the old standard oil at 100/1 at idle, 70/1 at cruse, and 50/1 at WOT operated variable by engine need.  Some like it, I and most boaters unplug the unit and mix my own oil/gas the old time tested way, standard 2 stroke oil 50/1 in my tank.

Conclusion:  great topic and we should all follow the progress.

[Hyperacme]

Laine
I have a gal. of 100 to 1, 2 cycle oil that your welcome to have ...

[dorelse]

2 stroke outboards are already banned on many lakes in CA already.  Its only a matter of time until it makes its way East.

[V153]

I run Quicksilver synthetic at 50:1 which in my estimation is too rich. But I run the boat hard and in hot air & water temperatures. Think fuzzbutt's running some sort of oil @ 100:1, don't remember offhand but it could be Amsoil. Haven't yet but I'd sho' nuff be willing to give it a try. You'd use less oil (duh) & I'd imagine the motor would be more efficient. Easier to pass a spark through gas vs oil?

If all boat motors became 4 strokes last year that's going to come as quite a surprize to those folks who just bought Etecs? Heh heh   Sure 2 strokes pollute but not any more than 4 strokes or diesels. Diesel being the worst offender imo. But lest we forget 4 strokes. I saw a 30' Jupiter Sunday with 3 (three) 300hp Verados on it. Who's leaving a bigger "carbon footprint", him or me?!

If these green a**holes in government succeed in banning 2 strokes who do you think they're gonna come after next. Kayakers? Wake up y'all!

Now I understand why the Joker on Batman was green ...


Edit: Sorry the Riddler was green. But you get the idea ...? 

[Laine73GT160]

Hyperacme/Gregg
No Thanks
Like I said ?I am not going to use my boat for a test?.  I do not even use the oil injector.  I am mixing 50/1.
I am of the opinion my 1973 came with a 2 stroke and meets emission standards for a Classic, just like old cars/trucks.  My 1970 Chevy is not going to get a catalytic converter, but needs new exhaust.  The only reason I don?t drive it more is it gets 6mpg.

Dorelse ?2 stroke outboards are already banned on many lakes in CA already.  It?s only a matter of time until it makes its way East?.
Laine ?not surprising it started in CA?.

V153 I am with you ?Wake up y'all?!
That is why I think as owners of old boats, or members of the classic *** boat club we need to be concerned.  Not that we can do or change anything but you know someone is going to tell us more and more what we can and cannot do.  And I would hate to see Doug get stressed and have a heart attack.  I would miss his colorful writing.

I took my uncle, to a friend that owns a boat dealership.  He actually wanted a 4 stroke my friend sold him a little larger 2 stroke telling him it was the last.  He can?t get or sell any more.  I also heard some people have bought up and warehoused all the reaming dealer stock.  Doug good thing you live in Florida I know some people down there that can get us anything we want.  We might need that fast boat of yours for a getaway though.

Our boats are clean, tuned up, and well maintained, oh what to do?
Dirt bikes went 4 stoke, boats are going 4 stroke.  And like anything else It all comes down to money (I see no incentive for a company to develop a supper cleaner 2 stroke oil) even the racers often sponsored by the oil companies are going 4 stroke.

[V153]

Having been a student of this bs for far longer than I care to remember here's what I predict will happen: Within seconds of the last investor on earth betting his shares on 4 strokes. New 2 stroke technology will be announced ...

[aquamaniac]

Laine,

Two stroke outboards are still available. Every new Evinrude is a two stroke and Mercury offers two strokes from 75 hp to 250 hp, and every one of these two strokes can be used on  Lake Tahoe.

[dorelse]

Laine,

Two stroke outboards are still available. Every new Evinrude is a two stroke and Mercury offers two strokes from 75 hp to 250 hp, and every one of these two strokes can be used on  Lake Tahoe.

Yeah, sorry, I should have qualified my comment.

[Laine73GT160]

FROM LAINE MY BAD
From the big push for four strokes and my experience at my local boat dealer I assumed!!!    It really sounded like his suppliers were only going to make the 4 strokes available on the boats he sells.
The 2 strokes being bought up and horded must have been under 70hp they would be popular for the fishing crowd or the race crowd.
Glad 2 strokes are still available.
Technologies will most certainly improve them by making them more efficient.

The topic is still important to all of us as boaters.   If someone find a safe /proven way for my motor to run cleaner, more efficient.  I want to know about it.  And there are still people out there regulating boating we need to know the facts.  I could not afford to put a new 2 stroke 75hp to 250hp on my boat without putting my house up for collateral.  So any topic on improving my old oil burner is still important.

[David CVX-16]

My plan for long life for my 115 HP Mercury is a gas to oil ratio of 48 to 1 (one pint of Mercury Premium Plus oil for 5.75 gallons of BP 93 octane), use of Sea Foam in the gas tanks and Mercury Power Tune in the combustion chambers and carbs each fall to get rid of deposits, change lower unit grease in the fall, storage seal, clean sparks plugs every year and change every 3rd year, grease fittings yearly, accelerate gently from the start rather than give it full throttle, limit RPM's to 5,300 or 5,400, wax the motor frequently, and degrease the powerhead.

Change the water impeller, clean the distributor and contacts and spark plug connections as needed.

I maintain a log of the maintenance work since the motor was purchased in 1987 which helps me know when to change what, part numbers, and where I purchased the item.

This might be overkill, but it works for me, and yes, I am an accountant.  

[Hyperacme]

" This might be overkill, but it works for me, and yes, I am an accountant "
...LOL

Good plan though !

[V153]

*Censored* bean counters ...

Boat looks great Dave! Heh heh

[wexrocks]

just a thought...

as I was reading over this, the question of fuel:oil ratio reminded me of the many times I have heard people say over the years (regarding to anything 2-stroke premix) that they assume a little stronger mix is better, and that it just makes a little more smoke. in theory, it sounds like it makes sense, but just a friendly tip to anyone who might assume that, the fact is that the thicker mix can potentially clog the jets causing the motor to run lean, and burn it up. I've had a few mechanics say that they have had customers who ran a richer mix with new engines (anything 2-stroke) hoping it would help with break-in, and had this very problem, costing them their new engine. just thought I would mention that,  since we're on the subject.

I think there are probably alot of opinions about which oil is the best, but I definately agree with David, there is no substitute for regular maintenance.

[Hyperacme]

I get oil in a gal. jug and pour it into pint jugs with a new pint jug for referance to level (seal broken to let air in) then dump oil into 6 gal. tank and let drip for a few mins. then throw a splash of Sea Foam in and head to the gas station.
I put about 5.9 gals. of gas in, but if I'm at a gas dock and only dump oil in and gas up right away I go 5.8 gals.

I use nothing but Evinrude XD30 oil ... because I get it for FREE !

I do the same as Dave for yearly up keep.

[Jerry]

I put 1/2 quart of whatever 2 cycle oil I have around in a 6 gallon can and fill it with gas (whatever it takes) In the fall I put a cover over the boat and park it.
Never had a problem.

[terry]

the saber is not really made for are motors(johnson)they claim it is and can run at a higher ratio but when you smoke your powerhead are they going to buy you a new one.i was going to run the hp injecter oil and was told buy my local johnson mechanic(says he has 27 years exp)to stay away from it.i now run the johnson xd100.i ran the xd50 the owner had in then made the switch to the 100.