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Re: Timi time
« Reply #100 on: November 13, 2018, 01:25:05 PM »
Great job Shawn.  I can see why a 23 would need the support up front with the hatch and cubby.  Did it have flotation logs before? 
Michael
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #101 on: November 13, 2018, 04:25:44 PM »
Great job Shawn.  I can see why a 23 would need the support up front with the hatch and cubby.  Did it have flotation logs before?

No it had a foam coring before same thickness and size as the balsa. I was told the balsa was a little stronger then the foam.

I will do the new 16 project with plastic core under the deck.
I think this has become an addiction.


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Re: Timi time
« Reply #102 on: November 13, 2018, 04:30:01 PM »
Early CV16's were like that, not wood strip around hull, then riveted and glassed (deck to hull).

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Re: Timi time
« Reply #103 on: November 26, 2018, 02:13:06 PM »
I have the same issue on my 23, it would have been done by the factory, not sure if it was to make it fit better? Easier to line up? In spots they went through the fiberglass in down to the gel coat, so of course the screws all ripped out same as yours. I am planning on just adding a strip of CSM on the inside just to give it more thickness for the screws to hold to. The rub rail will cover all of the old ripped holes so is it worth filling the holes just to re drill them?
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #104 on: November 26, 2018, 09:21:07 PM »
I've made a fair amount of progress, but haven't been very good at documentation.  I rebuilt the edge starting with cloth on the outside, then building up.  Sanding and more layers got it to this point.  I'll try to take more pics and document better as I go.
Michael
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #105 on: November 26, 2018, 09:55:56 PM »
The wood in the dash and sides was blackened and dry rotted, so I pulled that out.  Made new sides that are full height and will tie in the front and back to eliminate the flex cracking that has happened.  The original side are about 3.5", these are 6.5"   also note the new play material near the vent, this will support the new pop up cleats, and better support to the hand rail.
Michael
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #106 on: November 26, 2018, 09:58:21 PM »
The back lit photo of the rail didn't come out like I thought, here is another from the stern.
Michael
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #107 on: November 27, 2018, 06:32:46 AM »
looks like you are doing a fine job! It'll be much stronger than it was.
Do you plan on gluing or fiberglassing the 2 halves together?
Andrew C.
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #108 on: November 27, 2018, 08:03:23 AM »
Not certain how it is done on the 23's, but on my CVZ and Intimidator, only the transom area is fiberglassed together.   At the rub rail, I used an EPDM seal on the CVZ, but I'm leaning towards using 3m 5200 for the split on the Timi.
Michael
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #109 on: November 27, 2018, 09:55:20 AM »
My CV16 had a one foot long tab glassed just in front of dash.
Nice work Mike !

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Re: Timi time
« Reply #110 on: November 27, 2018, 11:02:25 AM »
    The dash in my Timi has been hacked for a bunch of stuff, stereo, CB, remote spotlight, etc.    Generally I'd put on some duct tape or masking tape and fill the holes, but I thought I'd try something different.   I had some melamine laying around from a kitchen rebuild project.  For those unfamiliar with the product, it is basically plastic coated MDF, used for kitchen cabinets and such.  I cut a couple pieces of half inch thick melamine to cover the light control and stereo holes.   Unfortunately, there is a slight bow to the dash, so a single piece would not work, or rather, it wouldn't fit as tight.   I used the pieces to hold some 1708 Biax over the hole, marked it, then cut it out with scissors.    So I waxed the side of the melamine pieices towards the hole with regular car wax, then clamped in place.   Applied resin and two layers of 1708 in the holes.    Once dry, removed the melamine(they just about fall off), a quick sanding on both sides, and the backside is ready for another layer to tie it all together.   The dash is really smooth, will require very little filler if any to make it like new. 
Michael
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #111 on: November 27, 2018, 11:09:35 AM »
     Rebuilding the rail was time consuming, but I think it will be worth it in the end.   Attached is probably one of the better photos showing how much was added.   It all started with a single layer on the outside.  Believe me, it was not smooth, really came out wrinkled, since no form could be used.   some narrow pieces were added to that layer inside until I built up the original thickness taken out by the angle ground into the top.   A single 1708 layer inside, two on the outside.   A final sanding to make both sides smooth, then a final coat of resin to seal up any loose fibers caused by sanding.    The will be some more blending, possibly filler, on the outside, but that will occur when I flip back over and prep to mate back to hull.
Michael
1979 CVZ-18 388 CI Vortec Mouse
1980 CVX-16SS 140 Mercruiser
1979 CVX-16 Johnson 175
2002 Bennington 2275CC 90 Mercury
1985 Intimidator project
1989 Lowe 200 Redneck fishin Toon
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #112 on: November 27, 2018, 11:22:18 AM »
    Not certain the process they followed when they made my Timi, but I think some confusion occurred where they placed plywood reinforcements on the underside of the top.    There were these blocks on both sides that should have been for cleats, but they actually placed them farther back.    I tore these small pieces out an added larger pieces to reinforce the weak area, but when I removed them, I found an odd material they used in the fiberglass.    What it looks like is the absorbent material business and shops used to soak up oil spills and such(Sorbent Pads).    Appears to be maybe .060" thick, biscuit colored, and has perforated holes in a regular pattern.   Seems to be quite hard, soaked through with resin, I've just not seen this before.    Anyone know what it is?   It really would not surprise me if it is Sorbent mat, seems like I found a lot of shortcuts in the process of rebuilding this craft.
Michael
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #113 on: November 29, 2018, 10:16:24 PM »
Tonight was dash reinforcement night, cut and shaped a block at the steering wheel area, then designed at cut a single peice that goes all the way across.  The original was three pieces.  Has a curve in two dimensions.  A little peanut butter to bond the dash and fill the gaps.  Tommorow I'll tie in the sides to make it all solid.
Michael
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1980 CVX-16SS 140 Mercruiser
1979 CVX-16 Johnson 175
2002 Bennington 2275CC 90 Mercury
1985 Intimidator project
1989 Lowe 200 Redneck fishin Toon
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #114 on: December 03, 2018, 08:25:16 AM »
    Work continues in the bow area.   Sanding and layers of 1708 and woven roving finalized the dash area.   I cut the existing bow foam to expose the windshield mounting holes.   Most of the holes across the dash went into the foam areas.   I decided to add a 3.4" ply layer and fill all the windshield holes since the holes were egged out and the gel cracked around these openings.   Not certain if I plan to use self tapping screws or machine screws with nylocks for the windshield, but either way the extra wood backing will accommodate either.   The existing bow foam was covered in a layer of glass cloth, but there existed a sizeable air gap on both sides of the foam "Logs".    Wasn't sure how to get pout foam into these areas, so I came up with the idea of susing spray foam and plastic tubing.     I cut the tubing to length, then used a heat gun to soften it to straighten it out.   pulled it straight, then dipped it int he snow, now I have a nice straight piece of fairly rigid tubing.   Hooked the can up, inserted the straw, and filled the spaces.    Was neat, you could see the cavity filling.    I just pulled the tube out as I went and it worked great.      Mixed up some pour foam and filled  the in-betweens.    A little trimming and the bow area should be done.
Michael
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #115 on: December 03, 2018, 08:31:12 AM »
     The sides of the timi also received a bit of work.   New wood was added, glassed in with woven roving and 1708 at the corners.   I clamped some PVC tubes, 2" on the starboard side, and 1 1/2" on the port side.    A few glass strips help those in place, then pour foam over to make it all solid.   Probably will need to trim a bit to add the upholstery sides and possibly some interior lights.   
Michael
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1979 CVX-16 Johnson 175
2002 Bennington 2275CC 90 Mercury
1985 Intimidator project
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2001 Godfrey Sweetwater pontoon 115 Rude

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Re: Timi time
« Reply #116 on: December 03, 2018, 10:04:54 AM »
The tubes for the wires were a nice touch. That foam should really stiffen it up as well.
Jason S.
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #117 on: December 03, 2018, 03:30:06 PM »
     Thanks Jason, the OEM design did have a 2" thin wall PVC tube, but it only went back to the back seat area, about 6-8" short.  That on the Starboard side, the Port side had 2 big cardboard loops.    Ugly wiring is a pet peeve of mine regardless of car, boat, house, whatever.
Michael
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #118 on: December 08, 2018, 09:20:12 PM »
I decided to tear out the supports alongside the engine bay, they were marginal, and there really isn't a better time to do them.  Out of all the wood in the top, only the peice across the back seat was solid enough to keep.  A comination of pour foam and a small froth pack covered the bow, sides, and stern area.  I could use another system 15 spray Pak to fill the stern area a bit better, maybe in the morning.  Tomorrow the top will get flipped, and mated back to hull.  At least the boat will be back together, right now it's occupying both bays in the shop.     On a side note, Husker girls volleyball will be in Minneapolis for the final four in volleyball.     Go husker girls!
Michael
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Re: Timi time
« Reply #119 on: December 17, 2018, 02:32:50 PM »
Getting the top to fit back on has proven to be a challenge, much worse than it was on the CVZ project.  It took several days of trimming, aligning, and re glassing some areas.  The pictures show the come-alongs and straps used to pull it back into alignment.   I'm thinking about using 10-24 stainless screws with washers and nylocks to hold the edge together, instead of the self tapping wood screws.  Seems like I read somewhere that makes for a longer lasting tight joint.   For now the top and bottom are together, I need to do a bit more fitting to secure the halves together before I start doing the body work on top.   I had planned to use 3M 5200 sealant, but I found plan marine to have great reviews and quite a bit less expensive.  We got the rub rail out, but it will need a lot of attention before it can be reused. 
Michael
1979 CVZ-18 388 CI Vortec Mouse
1980 CVX-16SS 140 Mercruiser
1979 CVX-16 Johnson 175
2002 Bennington 2275CC 90 Mercury
1985 Intimidator project
1989 Lowe 200 Redneck fishin Toon
2001 Godfrey Sweetwater pontoon 115 Rude