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Offline Hyperacme

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Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« on: May 02, 2018, 01:38:58 PM »
Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018.
Sophia's Law - Carbon Monoxide Law for Boaters.
What you need to know and how to comply.

https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/safety/boatwater/sophias-law.html


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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2018, 01:47:16 PM »
This does not apply to 99% of the Classic Glastron's. Only one I can think of is the CV-27 and a couple of the larger caddy cabin boats. However it is a good idea to have a CO detector in any areas where people will be sleeping or laying down.


West Marine has the battery operated ones on sale for 99.99 and wired ones for 79.99
I think this has become an addiction.


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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2018, 01:50:22 PM »
Reading through this law I cannot see how they can enforce this on out of state boaters that come to Minnesota. If it was not for this group I would have no clue about this law. Just curious if the state of Minnesota is advertising this anywhere so out of state boaters are aware of this law and do not get trapped by a state only law.

All I can say is I see a lawsuit for the state of Minnesota from an out of state boater that has no clue and gets fined.

I do agree it is a good law and should be enforced nation wide.
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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2018, 01:58:44 PM »
Reading through this law I cannot see how they can enforce this on out of state boaters that come to Minnesota. If it was not for this group I would have no clue about this law. Just curious if the state of Minnesota is advertising this anywhere so out of state boaters are aware of this law and do not get trapped by a state only law.

All I can say is I see a lawsuit for the state of Minnesota from an out of state boater that has no clue and gets fined.

I do agree it is a good law and should be enforced nation wide.

Its the old, "Ignorance of a law, does not excuse one from the law" argument...if you're traveling to another state, you're expected to know the laws of that state...just kind of how it works.
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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2018, 02:21:41 PM »
     Kind of a Deja Vu thread, I thought we beat this issue down in a previous thread.   In any case, the detectors are cheap, in the grand boating scheme of things, and if you have a area that folks could nap/sleep in, then you probably should have them.
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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2018, 03:28:40 PM »
Like Doran said you are responsible to know the law where ever you are. Each state has different laws for boats, cars, truck, etc. It is for anyone operation in MN waters. For me that means when ever I am on the west side of the river. Border water do not get an exception from my understanding.

As far as the requirement ABYC has required them for a number of years on boats that the MN law mentions. I dont remember which year the recommendation started. I believe in the mid 90's. MN is the first state to make all boats regardless of age have them, that is really the only difference. That and MN requires the 3 stickers.

Mike we did discuss it a lot last year. However the MN DNR kind of messed up with everything so they didn't enforce it at all last year that I know of. This year it is formally in effect and you can receive a citation.
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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2018, 03:49:24 PM »
Its the old, "Ignorance of a law, does not excuse one from the law" argument...if you're traveling to another state, you're expected to know the laws of that state...just kind of how it works.

I looked at the fines, the first time is a warning. After that it is a small fine. So, at least they give you a chance to correct it.
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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2018, 05:15:48 PM »
The reason for the delay isn't really the fault of the DNR. The MN Legislature wrote the law and screwed up the language and then dumped the enforcement in the lap of the DNR. The law was rewritten and passed the House and Senate on May 1, 2018, effective immediately. The new language requires conformance to current UL Standards for use on recreational boats (the same standard that carbon monoxide detector manufacturers use to certify their devices).

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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2018, 10:20:29 AM »
The link popped up on my Facebook the other day, and thought I'd just post a "Heads up".
Also ..
The other day my hard wire smoke/co2 detectors started beeping, replaced battery's and they still kept beeping.
Went to Kidde's web site to read manual and found out the co2 sensor is only good for 7 years ... Mine were 8 years old !
New ones are good for 10 years ...
Checked my battery operated ones and there 5 years old.

MN. DNR 2018 boating guide is here ...
https://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/regulations/boatwater/boatingguide.pdf

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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2018, 10:41:51 AM »
The reason for the delay isn't really the fault of the DNR. The MN Legislature wrote the law and screwed up the language and then dumped the enforcement in the lap of the DNR. The law was rewritten and passed the House and Senate on May 1, 2018, effective immediately. The new language requires conformance to current UL Standards for use on recreational boats (the same standard that carbon monoxide detector manufacturers use to certify their devices).

The language require them to meet not just UL standards but UL Marine standards. You can't use a detector that is designed for home use it has to be marine rated. 

Per MN DNR site: Marine CO detectors must meet ABYC standard A-24 , July 2015 which specifies that detectors must be listed for marine use, including certification by an independent party.

The DNR & Leg. messed up last year when the law went in force and then it was pulled back because of multiple issues. One of which, the law states that Gasoline powered boats need 3 stickers and the DNR didn't even have the stickers before the law was supposed to go in force last year.

Also as Greg said just having them is not good enough, they have to be current and not expired.
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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2018, 11:06:41 AM »
It all comes down to safety. If you have a enclosed area and plan to sleep in it put it in. I put one in the CV23.
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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2018, 12:55:50 PM »
It all comes down to safety. If you have a enclosed area and plan to sleep in it put it in. I put one in the CV23.
Agreed, our Balharbor got one before last season


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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2018, 02:38:55 PM »
I agree. How much is a loved ones life worth? Is it really worth saving $100.00 to loose a family member?

As soon as we bought or big boat I installed Co and smoke det, there were none. They were not marine but at least there was something. I have since upgraded to the Marine ones.
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Re: Sophia's Law takes effect May 1, 2018
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2018, 06:23:40 PM »

I’ve said this before, but it is worth a repeat.

A few years ago the CO detector started going off intermittently in the basement of my house.   I honestly thought it was faulty and was about to throw it out.  I called a friend in the HVAC and he stopped by that day and found a crack in my 24 year old gas furnace that was pumping CO into the house. 

Needless to say I’m a big believer in the detectors now.
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