Chris can still access it ... I think ...
He had info on the CVC18's in the GCOTD post ...
I saved SN of my 1972 V-156, but I'm having trouble finding it ...
Some good info on HIN's
http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf (http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf)
Looks like you are going to have to only look at the serial number part of it. Hopefully it did not just start at 0 and there are some meanings to those numbers.
ex: GLA38788M75D
ex: CN005504C686
After 1984 Glastron HIN codes:
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg.html)
Some good info on HIN's
http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf (http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf)
Looks like you are going to have to only look at the serial number part of it. Hopefully it did not just start at 0 and there are some meanings to those numbers.
ex: GLA38788M75D
ex: CN005504C686
After 1984 Glastron HIN codes:
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg.html)
Great info and link Jason, thanks. Really does a good job explaining the breakdown of the numbers. The serial number itself, though, is it just random or is there a patter to these within the Glastron or Glastron Carlson family of boats?
Some good info on HIN's
http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf (http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf)
Looks like you are going to have to only look at the serial number part of it. Hopefully it did not just start at 0 and there are some meanings to those numbers.
ex: GLA38788M75D
ex: CN005504C686
After 1984 Glastron HIN codes:
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg.html)
Great info and link Jason, thanks. Really does a good job explaining the breakdown of the numbers. The serial number itself, though, is it just random or is there a patter to these within the Glastron or Glastron Carlson family of boats?
Sure would be nice if our buddy Art could at least tell us that much.
Some good info on HIN's
http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf (http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf)
Looks like you are going to have to only look at the serial number part of it. Hopefully it did not just start at 0 and there are some meanings to those numbers.
ex: GLA38788M75D
ex: CN005504C686
After 1984 Glastron HIN codes:
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg.html)
Great info and link Jason, thanks. Really does a good job explaining the breakdown of the numbers. The serial number itself, though, is it just random or is there a patter to these within the Glastron or Glastron Carlson family of boats?
Sure would be nice if our buddy Art could at least tell us that much.
Yep, I'm hoping John can ask Art when Art's having a good memory day.
Because of this thread, I looked closer at the tags on my Surflite... come to find out, I have a FIREFLITE, not a SURFLITE. I looks like it's the FIREFLITE 155... not the SURFLITE 153 that was shown in the same color in the 1962 brochure! However, I don't get it?... the brochure Fireflite doesn't mention having the bench seating in back like my boat has (also not shown in picture like the surflite), doesn't mention the "hard top" option like my boat has, but the Surflite does mention those items, that's why I thought it was the Surflite to begin with. Also, the HP rating in the brochure is different than the tag. I wonder now if this was a mistake on the label they placed on it? What do you guys think? I'm not 100% positive what I have. Guess I would have to default to Fireflite, since that's what the tag says, even though it doesn't match the brochure.
1962 Glastron, Model: FIREFLITE, SURFLITE?
HIN: 02218 (interesting... they glassed in a paper tag with a handwritten serial number on it and FIREFLITE listed as model. That tag is glassed under gunwale, port rear side. In addition, I posted another picture showing the OBC rating tag, just above that tag stamped into the aluminum trim piece is that same serial number. I wonder if they did that at factory, or if the original owner did that?)
Built in Austin TX
Yup yours is a Fireflite. My 61 is a Surflite. The only difference is the seating configuration. Surflite has 2 bench seats facing each other which I believe to be shown in the 61 brochure. I have seen the Fireflites with the rear bench seat.
Most of my stuff is now under tarps and covered with snow. I don't have registration for most.
I have those 2 bench seats facing each other as well.
Yup yours is a Fireflite. My 61 is a Surflite. The only difference is the seating configuration. Surflite has 2 bench seats facing each other which I believe to be shown in the 61 brochure. I have seen the Fireflites with the rear bench seat.
Most of my stuff is now under tarps and covered with snow. I don't have registration for most.
I have those 2 bench seats facing each other as well.
Thats right, I remember getting dimensions from you. Poor memory! Well that is extra confusing now. Definitely Surflite seating config.
Yup yours is a Fireflite. My 61 is a Surflite. The only difference is the seating configuration. Surflite has 2 bench seats facing each other which I believe to be shown in the 61 brochure. I have seen the Fireflites with the rear bench seat.
Most of my stuff is now under tarps and covered with snow. I don't have registration for most.
I have those 2 bench seats facing each other as well.
Thats right, I remember getting dimensions from you. Poor memory! Well that is extra confusing now. Definitely Surflite seating config.
maybe it was a custom order? Where the customer wanted the fireflite hull but wanted the sureflite seating.
The 150 series all used the same hull. The Fireflite, Surflite and Sportsman all had identical decks. The two Starflites used a different deck. So your boat could have been built with a deck already labeled as a Fireflite and then built as a Surflite. The hardtop was optional on 150, 160 and 170 series boats.
We could do a little investigation on our own here. Doarn's CVZ-18 and my CVZ18 are the same production year. Could we compare the two HIN numbers and see if their would be any relivance? Maybe it would also help to have a HIN for a couple 1978 CVX-18 to compare to also since the haul designs are relatively the same.
QuoteThe next segment is 'M'. This could designate the hull design as both boats are CVX 18's and both have the 'M' in common. I suspectI think you're just blowing smoke on your M theory. Marks M code '77 GT150 kinda ruins that idea.
hull design because other CVX's, built in Anaheim , listed in this thread have the 'M'.
That leaves a combination of 2 numbers and a letter. These could indicate outdrive and engine combination.
This method would give the factory or dealer basic info that could identify the boat for any warranty issues.
What do you guys think. Am I on the right track or just blowing smoke.
Next 2 #s designate the year. (I believe you meant to put a 0 where the 9 is in your '80?) Last letter may indicate month of production but I'm not entirely sure about that. Seems to me somebody told me otherwise. Danged if I can remember it now.
Quote
Here is the HIN for my '78 CVX 18 GCV10480M78H Color is Silver and OMC outdrive
'80 CVX 18 GCV16381M89F Color is Champagne w/ beige and Mercruiser outdrive
Let's assume there is a method to the Hin # madness and that basic info is contained in the Hin, organized similar to Vin #'s on your auto.
We know that "GCV" indicates Glastron Carlson built in Anaheim,Ca.
Let's assume the next series of numbers represents the consecutive unit or build number, for the '78 that is 10480, for the '80 it's 16381.
The next segment is 'M'. This could designate the hull design as both boats are CVX 18's and both have the 'M' in common. I suspect
hull design because other CVX's, built in Anaheim , listed in this thread have the 'M'.
That leaves a combination of 2 numbers and a letter. These could indicate outdrive and engine combination.
This method would give the factory or dealer basic info that could identify the boat for any warranty issues.
What do you guys think. Am I on the right track or just blowing smoke.
The HIN (Hull identification number) was a federal requirement beginning in Nov 1972, for 1973 model boats. It starts with a 3 letter Manufacturer identification code, followed by a 5 digit serial number and ending with the date of manufacture. The reason for this requirement was for safety and defect recalls. The law allowed for two methods of display. The one Glastron chose was to list the model year M and then a letter for the month of manufacture. August was the traditional first month of building new model year boats so A= August, B=Sept, etc.
So the HIN for your '78 CVX-18 is serial number 10480, Model year 78, built in the 8th month, March 1978.
The standard changed again in Aug 1984. 3 letter MIC, 5 digit S/N, single letter for maunufacture month where A=Jan, single number for manufacture year, two number model year.
Under the 1984 HIN rule your 1978 CVX would have read GCV 10480 C8 78
QuoteWe could do a little investigation on our own here. Doarn's CVZ-18 and my CVZ18 are the same production year. Could we compare the two HIN numbers and see if their would be any relivance? Maybe it would also help to have a HIN for a couple 1978 CVX-18 to compare to also since the haul designs are relatively the same.
Here is the HIN for my '78 CVX 18 GCV10480M78H Color is Silver and OMC outdrive
'80 CVX 18 GCV16381M89F Color is Champagne w/ beige and Mercruiser outdrive
Let's assume there is a method to the Hin # madness and that basic info is contained in the Hin, organized similar to Vin #'s on your auto.
We know that "GCV" indicates Glastron Carlson built in Anaheim,Ca.
Let's assume the next series of numbers represents the consecutive unit or build number, for the '78 that is 10480, for the '80 it's 16381.
The next segment is 'M'. This could designate the hull design as both boats are CVX 18's and both have the 'M' in common. I suspect
hull design because other CVX's, built in Anaheim , listed in this thread have the 'M'.
That leaves a combination of 2 numbers and a letter. These could indicate outdrive and engine combination.
This method would give the factory or dealer basic info that could identify the boat for any warranty issues.
What do you guys think. Am I on the right track or just blowing smoke.
'78 CVX18
'80 CVX 18
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/glastronjohn18/CVX18/CVX_zps690da169.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/glastronjohn18/media/CVX18/CVX_zps690da169.jpg.html)
QuoteThe next segment is 'M'. This could designate the hull design as both boats are CVX 18's and both have the 'M' in common. I suspectI think you're just blowing smoke on your M theory. Marks M code '77 GT150 kinda ruins that idea.
hull design because other CVX's, built in Anaheim , listed in this thread have the 'M'.
That leaves a combination of 2 numbers and a letter. These could indicate outdrive and engine combination.
This method would give the factory or dealer basic info that could identify the boat for any warranty issues.
What do you guys think. Am I on the right track or just blowing smoke.
Next 2 #s designate the year. (I believe you meant to put a 0 where the 9 is in your '80?) Last letter may indicate month of production but I'm not entirely sure about that. Seems to me somebody told me otherwise. Danged if I can remember it now.
Did not catch that, well that throws out my theory on the 9th digit.
1971 GT-150 R Serial No 113060 Austin, Texas
(Never noticed the "R", but it's stamped into the plate from Glastron!)
1971 GT-150 R Serial No 113060 Austin, TexasThat's the "R"acing model ...
(Never noticed the "R", but it's stamped into the plate from Glastron!)
So we 5 digits in the middle of the HIN that be specific to glastrons. How many glastrons do think were made in one year? It's got to be over 1000. What I am getting at is every single glastron has to have unique HIN. And with only 5 digits there can't be more than one or two to those numbers that actually mean anything while the remaining are just a unique number to make it different then the next glastron. Kind of like the last 6 or so digits of a VIN. Maybe the model but likely not more than that.
Here is a direct quote out of my Glastron Carlson 1980 Small Parts Catalog and Service Manual:
" In many cases after the boat has been re-sold several times, the year and model is questionable. We maintain an accurate file of serial numbers on all boats sold and can assist you in identifying a questionable model."
Brandon, I don't think there are any option codes just serial (consecutive unit numbers). The factory could list the options and drive systems by serial number after the hull was built.QuoteHere is a direct quote out of my Glastron Carlson 1980 Small Parts Catalog and Service Manual:
" In many cases after the boat has been re-sold several times, the year and model is questionable. We maintain an accurate file of serial numbers on all boats sold and can assist you in identifying a questionable model."
OPPS wasn't there a fire?
The "M" means that Glastron was using the optional display of model year instead of certificate date. "M" stands for model year.That'd be my guess.
If you sort those examples by the 5 digit serial number they display in chronological order
GCV01762M74C 1974 CV16SS
gcv02358m74h 1974 CV-18
GCV04295M76B 1976 CVX20
GCV04766M76F 1976 CV16
GCV06310M77C 1977 CVX 16
GCV09123M78B 1978 CVZ-18.
GCV10465M78H 1978 CVZ-18.
GCV10480M78H 1978 CVX-18.
GCV15210M79L 1979 CVX18
GCV16381M80F 1980 CVX-18.
GCV17524M81F 1981 C500
Shouldn't a link be posted on CGOA, for a larger data base ?
You're right Rich - the number is 1131060, I'll correct my original post. (Probably should get my eyeglass prescription checked again!) ::)Quote1971 GT-150 R Serial No 113060 Austin, Texas
(Never noticed the "R", but it's stamped into the plate from Glastron!)
I think you're missing a digit there Mark, there should be 7 digits and the 4th would be a (1) for it to be a '71 boat. The R is most likely a color indicator for "Red".
The "M" means that Glastron was using the optional display of model year instead of certificate date. "M" stands for model year.
When this law went into effect manufacturers didn't like that they would have to stamp 72 into a 1973 model hull so the law allowed the optional method that Glastron used of stamping the model year and then a month code.
Found these numbers on the Glastron History page. Guess they made a lot more boats than I thought!
http://cgoamn.com/5.html (http://cgoamn.com/5.html)