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Title: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Carlson_from_Germany on December 03, 2013, 08:20:48 AM
Hey guys, we would like to bring back some of the data that was lost back when the fire hit the Glastron factory years ago. We are trying to decode the hin# of the Carlsons. It would be very nice of you if you could send me your hin# + facts like what kind of metalflake and so on. Maybe we can figure out how many boats have approximately been built back then. You either answer right here, or send me a message with those details. Looking forward to a great participation of you guys. There have been many spread topics on this, maybe we can bring them all together. Cheers Aaron
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Hyperacme on December 03, 2013, 09:40:17 AM
1976 CV16

Metalflake blue / blue

Serial number .. GCV04766M76F

Data Tag ...  Glastron Boat Company , Austin , Texas , 78766
 
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 03, 2013, 10:54:15 AM
I will send you the information on my 2 Glastrons
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Jason on December 03, 2013, 12:18:52 PM
(not mine)
1974 CV-18:
gcv02358m74h
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/GCOTD/00p0p_aILE6fQwjox_600x450_zps33b473a5.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/GCOTD/00p0p_aILE6fQwjox_600x450_zps33b473a5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: V153 on December 03, 2013, 04:04:53 PM
Oh goodie! Does this mean we're finally gonna start a registry?

'71 V153 in Antique Gold #1431500

'72 V163 in Antique Gold #1132045

Built in Austin TX

'81 C500 Sunset Red # GCV17524M81F

Built in Anaheim CA
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Jason on December 03, 2013, 07:32:52 PM
1967 Gkastron V172:
HIN: 217979
Built in Autstin Texas
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/1967%20V172/P1100189.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/1967%20V172/P1100189.jpg.html)
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/1967%20V172/P1070583.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/1967%20V172/P1070583.jpg.html)

1974 Glastron Carlson CV16SS
HIN: GCV01762M74C
Built in Anaheim CA
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/Boat/101208034Medium.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/Boat/101208034Medium.jpg.html)

1975 Glastron V173
HIN: GLA38788M75D
Built in Austin Texas
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/file_zps3f381c33.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/file_zps3f381c33.jpg.html)

1986 Glastron Carlson CV23
HIN: CN005504C686
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/1986%20CV23/file_zps3de0cbdf.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/1986%20CV23/file_zps3de0cbdf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: wiliermdb on December 03, 2013, 09:08:17 PM
1977 Glastron-Carlson CVX 16
Metalflake Orange and white
HIN: CCV06310M77C
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Rich_V174SS on December 03, 2013, 09:24:21 PM
1967 V174 Crestflite SuperSport
HIN: 217095
Light Avocado
Austin TX

(http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp340/Rattan3973/V174%20Folder/Water%20Test%20Pics/Boat4.jpg) (http://s425.photobucket.com/user/Rattan3973/media/V174%20Folder/Water%20Test%20Pics/Boat4.jpg.html)

1970 Glastron V176 Swinger
HIN 1410023
Dark Avocado

(http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp340/Rattan3973/V176%20Swinger/IMG_0001.jpg) (http://s425.photobucket.com/user/Rattan3973/media/V176%20Swinger/IMG_0001.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: dorelse on December 03, 2013, 10:15:23 PM
I sent Art & John Carlson an email asking if they remember anything about how the HIN numbers were organized.  I'll let you know if I hear anything.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Carlson_from_Germany on December 04, 2013, 02:30:34 AM
Great guys! Thanks!
Doug, we used to have a pretty nice registry over on the old CGOA page. It somehow got lost when the virus shut down the forum a few years though.
Too bad as it contained many names info.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Hyperacme on December 04, 2013, 09:27:06 AM
Chris can still access it ... I think ...
He had info on the CVC18's in the GCOTD post ...

I saved SN of my 1972 V-156, but I'm having trouble finding it ...
 
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Jason on December 04, 2013, 02:34:00 PM
Some good info on HIN's
http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf (http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf)

Looks like you are going to have to only look at the serial number part of it. Hopefully it did not just start at 0 and there are some meanings to those numbers.
ex: GLA38788M75D
ex: CN005504C686

After 1984 Glastron HIN codes:
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Rosscoe on December 04, 2013, 02:46:25 PM
1967 V163 Bayflite Supersport
Jade with white
Hull/serial # 167839
Model 163JD
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Jason on December 04, 2013, 06:34:55 PM
I had to edit my CV16 after seeing everyone else's Carlson mine did not make since. Went out and looked at boat. It was GCV not GLA. Turns out my Registration card is wrong!
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Glastron_GT160 on December 04, 2013, 08:07:32 PM
Chris can still access it ... I think ...
He had info on the CVC18's in the GCOTD post ...

I saved SN of my 1972 V-156, but I'm having trouble finding it ...
 

You bet, I do have a copy of the forum registry file from 'back then'.  Contains 5330 member records.  Keep in mind its not a few years old.... its many, many years out-dated now ('01 thru '06).  

Data fields in this file are as follows:

Date Recorded
First Name
Last Name

Year
Model
City
State
Country
E-mail

I'm not willing to compromise personal information, the fields in BOLD print above will not be shared.

I'd be happy to share the rest of the data which gives an idea of where various boat models may have been located around the globe.   Clearly many of these boats would be relocated or no longer in use today., etc.

Let me know if that limited data helps, and I'll see if I can trim it down into a manageable file.

No HIN numbers are in the old forum records.  It was a member database.

[edit] Here is the file
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: catchnedge on December 05, 2013, 07:32:06 AM
1976 Glastron Carlson CVX20
HIN: GCV04295M76B
Built in Anaheim CA
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: catchnedge on December 05, 2013, 07:39:19 AM
1972 Glastron Carlson CV19
HIN: 1292519 (that's on my registration card, I'll have to look at the boat to get full HIN, unless it doesn't have anything else... i.e. built prior to 1 Nov 1972)
Manufacture Location:  Assuming Anaheim CA, will have to look
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: catchnedge on December 05, 2013, 07:50:18 AM
1977 Glastron GT-150
HIN: GLA65382M77B
Built in Austin TX
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: california special on December 05, 2013, 07:53:48 AM
i do believe the letter after the year in the HID stand for the month of the build. A is January B is Febuary and so on.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: catchnedge on December 05, 2013, 08:19:47 AM
Because of this thread, I looked closer at the tags on my Surflite... come to find out, I have a FIREFLITE, not a SURFLITE.  I looks like it's the FIREFLITE 155... not the SURFLITE 153 that was shown in the same color in the 1962 brochure!  However, I don't get it?... the brochure Fireflite doesn't mention having the bench seating in back like my boat has (also not shown in picture like the surflite), doesn't mention the "hard top" option like my boat has, but the Surflite does mention those items, that's why I thought it was the Surflite to begin with.  Also, the HP rating in the brochure is different than the tag.   I wonder now if this was a mistake on the label they placed on it?  What do you guys think?  I'm not 100% positive what I have.  Guess I would have to default to Fireflite, since that's what the tag says, even though it doesn't match the brochure.

1962 Glastron, Model: FIREFLITE, SURFLITE?
HIN: 02218 (interesting... they glassed in a paper tag with a handwritten serial number on it and FIREFLITE listed as model.  That tag is glassed under gunwale, port rear side.  In addition, I posted another picture showing the OBC rating tag, just above that tag stamped into the aluminum trim piece is that same serial number.  I wonder if they did that at factory, or if the original owner did that?)
Built in Austin TX
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: catchnedge on December 05, 2013, 08:34:09 AM
Some good info on HIN's
http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf (http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf)

Looks like you are going to have to only look at the serial number part of it. Hopefully it did not just start at 0 and there are some meanings to those numbers.
ex: GLA38788M75D
ex: CN005504C686

After 1984 Glastron HIN codes:
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg.html)

Great info and link Jason, thanks.  Really does a good job explaining the breakdown of the numbers.  The serial number itself, though, is it just random or is there a patter to these within the Glastron or Glastron Carlson family of boats?
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Jason on December 05, 2013, 12:24:02 PM
Some good info on HIN's
http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf (http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf)

Looks like you are going to have to only look at the serial number part of it. Hopefully it did not just start at 0 and there are some meanings to those numbers.
ex: GLA38788M75D
ex: CN005504C686

After 1984 Glastron HIN codes:
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg.html)

Great info and link Jason, thanks.  Really does a good job explaining the breakdown of the numbers.  The serial number itself, though, is it just random or is there a patter to these within the Glastron or Glastron Carlson family of boats?

Sure would be nice if our buddy Art could at least tell us that much.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: dorelse on December 05, 2013, 01:02:30 PM
Some good info on HIN's
http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf (http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf)

Looks like you are going to have to only look at the serial number part of it. Hopefully it did not just start at 0 and there are some meanings to those numbers.
ex: GLA38788M75D
ex: CN005504C686

After 1984 Glastron HIN codes:
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg.html)

Great info and link Jason, thanks.  Really does a good job explaining the breakdown of the numbers.  The serial number itself, though, is it just random or is there a patter to these within the Glastron or Glastron Carlson family of boats?

Sure would be nice if our buddy Art could at least tell us that much.

Yep, I'm hoping John can ask Art when Art's having a good memory day.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 05, 2013, 02:01:12 PM
Some good info on HIN's
http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf (http://nasbla.org/files/public/Enf%20&%20Training/NASBLA%20HIN%20comp.pdf)

Looks like you are going to have to only look at the serial number part of it. Hopefully it did not just start at 0 and there are some meanings to those numbers.
ex: GLA38788M75D
ex: CN005504C686

After 1984 Glastron HIN codes:
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/lincolnman1969/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/lincolnman1969/media/misc/Capture_zpsc1b3d1b7.jpg.html)

Great info and link Jason, thanks.  Really does a good job explaining the breakdown of the numbers.  The serial number itself, though, is it just random or is there a patter to these within the Glastron or Glastron Carlson family of boats?

Sure would be nice if our buddy Art could at least tell us that much.

Yep, I'm hoping John can ask Art when Art's having a good memory day.

We could do a little investigation on our own here. Doarn's CVZ-18 and my CVZ18 are the same production year. Could we compare the two HIN numbers and see if their would be any relivance? Maybe it would also help to have a HIN for a couple 1978 CVX-18 to compare to also since the haul designs are relatively the same. 
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: V153 on December 05, 2013, 07:03:11 PM
If only we recorded HIN #s on the old registry. Can you 'magine what a treasure trove that'd be?

Ah well. Still cool Chris, alotta data to be mined there.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Rosscoe on December 05, 2013, 08:07:32 PM
Because of this thread, I looked closer at the tags on my Surflite... come to find out, I have a FIREFLITE, not a SURFLITE.  I looks like it's the FIREFLITE 155... not the SURFLITE 153 that was shown in the same color in the 1962 brochure!  However, I don't get it?... the brochure Fireflite doesn't mention having the bench seating in back like my boat has (also not shown in picture like the surflite), doesn't mention the "hard top" option like my boat has, but the Surflite does mention those items, that's why I thought it was the Surflite to begin with.  Also, the HP rating in the brochure is different than the tag.   I wonder now if this was a mistake on the label they placed on it?  What do you guys think?  I'm not 100% positive what I have.  Guess I would have to default to Fireflite, since that's what the tag says, even though it doesn't match the brochure.

1962 Glastron, Model: FIREFLITE, SURFLITE?
HIN: 02218 (interesting... they glassed in a paper tag with a handwritten serial number on it and FIREFLITE listed as model.  That tag is glassed under gunwale, port rear side.  In addition, I posted another picture showing the OBC rating tag, just above that tag stamped into the aluminum trim piece is that same serial number.  I wonder if they did that at factory, or if the original owner did that?)
Built in Austin TX

Yup yours is a Fireflite. My 61 is a Surflite. The only difference is the seating configuration. Surflite has 2 bench seats facing each other which I believe to be shown in the 61 brochure. I have seen the Fireflites with the rear bench seat.
Most of my stuff is now under tarps and covered with snow. I don't have registration for most.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: carlsoncvx18 on December 05, 2013, 08:18:31 PM
!987 CVX18 brown(rootbeer) and white.

hin# CNO07411C787

Hin# is off the title as the boat is in storage and to d@&m cold to go look at this time.

(http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww54/cvx18/IMG_0581.jpg) (http://s705.photobucket.com/user/cvx18/media/IMG_0581.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: catchnedge on December 05, 2013, 08:54:06 PM

Yup yours is a Fireflite. My 61 is a Surflite. The only difference is the seating configuration. Surflite has 2 bench seats facing each other which I believe to be shown in the 61 brochure. I have seen the Fireflites with the rear bench seat.
Most of my stuff is now under tarps and covered with snow. I don't have registration for most.

I have those 2 bench seats facing each other as well.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: CVX Fever on December 05, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
Jeff I noticed your Carlson was made in New Braunfels, which I assume is Texas as that is where my dad's 86 was built.  Wonder what year they moved the Carlson production from Anaheim?

Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: CVX Fever on December 05, 2013, 10:15:29 PM
1979 Glastron CARLSON CVX18
GCV15210M79L

(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/Brian%202011%20Red%20Wing/072.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/Brian%202011%20Red%20Wing/072.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: dorelse on December 05, 2013, 10:34:17 PM
1978 Glastron Carlson CVZ18
GCV10465M78H

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Zi5iNIbb4WI/UbawldI4szI/AAAAAAAARCs/MaDwRz061pM/s800/Rathbun_030.jpg)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Rosscoe on December 06, 2013, 08:58:59 AM

Yup yours is a Fireflite. My 61 is a Surflite. The only difference is the seating configuration. Surflite has 2 bench seats facing each other which I believe to be shown in the 61 brochure. I have seen the Fireflites with the rear bench seat.
Most of my stuff is now under tarps and covered with snow. I don't have registration for most.

I have those 2 bench seats facing each other as well.

Thats right, I remember getting dimensions from you. Poor memory! Well that is extra confusing now. Definitely Surflite seating config.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 06, 2013, 10:55:53 AM

Yup yours is a Fireflite. My 61 is a Surflite. The only difference is the seating configuration. Surflite has 2 bench seats facing each other which I believe to be shown in the 61 brochure. I have seen the Fireflites with the rear bench seat.
Most of my stuff is now under tarps and covered with snow. I don't have registration for most.

I have those 2 bench seats facing each other as well.

Thats right, I remember getting dimensions from you. Poor memory! Well that is extra confusing now. Definitely Surflite seating config.

maybe it was a custom order? Where the customer wanted the fireflite hull but wanted the sureflite seating.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: catchnedge on December 06, 2013, 11:51:51 AM
Brandon, it could be... so many things don't add up, the more I look.  None of the 61-63 runabout (I looked one year before and after for possibility that the year was wrong) hulls have the same kind of gunwale/transom like my boat, as they all have some kind of swoop down, or taper down inside the gunwale that my boat does not have at all.  The Fireflite doesn't have the option for the white stripe in center of bow either.  If I didn't have the tag on my boat saying "Fireflite" the 1962 Surflite is the closest I can see, bow, hardtop, color, seating, just about everything except for the fact of that taper down on the transom like I mentioned.  My boat doesn't match any of them.  

Look at the below picture, the top deck back at the transom... compare to any of the pictures in the 61-63 brochures... no match.

Guess it comes down to I have to go with the tag, but it doesn't match at all what the brochure has in major structure of boat even.

Sorry, just a Mystery to me!
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: aquamaniac on December 06, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
Mark,
That boat is just stunning.

The white stripe, side storage, and three color front seat don't match my 1962 brochure, but keep in mind that the brochures were shot with pre production photo shoot boats in the summer of 1961. I don't see enough 1962 Glastrons to know if your boat is different or if that is just how they looked in production.

The 150 series all used the same hull. The Fireflite, Surflite and Sportsman all had identical decks. The two Starflites used a different deck. So your boat could have been built with a deck already labeled as a Fireflite and then built as a Surflite. The hardtop was optional on 150, 160 and 170 series boats.

Your deck and transom areas look to me like a match to the Fireflite/Surflite/Sportsman boats in the 1962 Brochure.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Jason on December 07, 2013, 10:40:39 AM
The 150 series all used the same hull. The Fireflite, Surflite and Sportsman all had identical decks. The two Starflites used a different deck. So your boat could have been built with a deck already labeled as a Fireflite and then built as a Surflite. The hardtop was optional on 150, 160 and 170 series boats.

That's a good point. May have just labeled them all the same so they could easily tell them apart from other decks for a 14' or 16' sitting in some kind of warehouse.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Glastronjohn18 on December 07, 2013, 01:15:51 PM
Quote
We could do a little investigation on our own here. Doarn's CVZ-18 and my CVZ18 are the same production year. Could we compare the two HIN numbers and see if their would be any relivance? Maybe it would also help to have a HIN for a couple 1978 CVX-18 to compare to also since the haul designs are relatively the same.  

Here is the HIN for my '78 CVX 18     GCV10480M78H         Color is    Silver                            and   OMC outdrive
                              '80 CVX 18      GCV16389M80F         Color is    Champagne w/ beige       and    Mercruiser outdrive
  Let's assume there is a method to the Hin # madness and that basic info is contained in the Hin, organized similar to Vin #'s on your auto.
  We know that "GCV" indicates Glastron Carlson built in Anaheim,Ca.
  Let's assume the next series of numbers represents the consecutive unit or build number, for the '78 that is 10480, for the '80 it's 16381.
  The next segment is 'M'. This could designate the hull design  as both boats are CVX 18's and both have the 'M' in common. I suspect
        hull design because other CVX's, built in Anaheim , listed in this thread have the 'M'.
  That leaves a combination of 2 numbers and a letter. These could indicate outdrive and engine combination.
  This method would give the factory or dealer basic info that could  identify the boat for any warranty issues.

What do you guys think. Am I on the right track or just blowing smoke.

'78 CVX18
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/glastronjohn18/CVX18/Glastronjohn18%20CVX%2018%20Rebuild/d8d7c2d7-b564-4ff8-a5b6-9805555cdc14_zps2e10f97e.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/glastronjohn18/media/CVX18/Glastronjohn18%20CVX%2018%20Rebuild/d8d7c2d7-b564-4ff8-a5b6-9805555cdc14_zps2e10f97e.jpg.html)


'80 CVX 18
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/glastronjohn18/CVX18/CVX_zps690da169.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/glastronjohn18/media/CVX18/CVX_zps690da169.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: dgmeyer on December 07, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
1973 Glastron GT160

HIN  1423631
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: V153 on December 07, 2013, 02:12:32 PM
Quote
  The next segment is 'M'. This could designate the hull design  as both boats are CVX 18's and both have the 'M' in common. I suspect
        hull design because other CVX's, built in Anaheim , listed in this thread have the 'M'.
  That leaves a combination of 2 numbers and a letter. These could indicate outdrive and engine combination.
  This method would give the factory or dealer basic info that could  identify the boat for any warranty issues.

What do you guys think. Am I on the right track or just blowing smoke.
I think you're just blowing smoke on your M theory. Marks M code '77 GT150 kinda ruins that idea.

Next 2 #s designate the year. (I believe you meant to put a 0 where the 9 is in your '80?) Last letter may indicate month of production but I'm not entirely sure about that. Seems to me somebody told me otherwise. Danged if I can remember it now.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: aquamaniac on December 07, 2013, 02:47:59 PM
Quote

Here is the HIN for my '78 CVX 18     GCV10480M78H         Color is    Silver                            and   OMC outdrive
                              '80 CVX 18      GCV16381M89F         Color is    Champagne w/ beige       and    Mercruiser outdrive
  Let's assume there is a method to the Hin # madness and that basic info is contained in the Hin, organized similar to Vin #'s on your auto.
  We know that "GCV" indicates Glastron Carlson built in Anaheim,Ca.
  Let's assume the next series of numbers represents the consecutive unit or build number, for the '78 that is 10480, for the '80 it's 16381.
  The next segment is 'M'. This could designate the hull design  as both boats are CVX 18's and both have the 'M' in common. I suspect
        hull design because other CVX's, built in Anaheim , listed in this thread have the 'M'.
  That leaves a combination of 2 numbers and a letter. These could indicate outdrive and engine combination.
  This method would give the factory or dealer basic info that could  identify the boat for any warranty issues.

What do you guys think. Am I on the right track or just blowing smoke.




The HIN (Hull identification number) was a federal requirement beginning in Nov 1972, for 1973 model boats. It starts with a 3 letter Manufacturer identification code, followed by a 5 digit serial number and ending with the date of manufacture. The reason for this requirement was for safety and defect recalls. The law allowed for two methods of display. The one Glastron chose was to list the model year M and then a letter for the month of manufacture. August was the traditional first month of building new model year boats so A= August, B=Sept, etc.

So the HIN for your '78 CVX-18 is serial number 10480, Model year 78, built in the 8th month, March 1978.

The standard changed again in Aug 1984. 3 letter MIC, 5 digit S/N, single letter for maunufacture month where A=Jan, single number for manufacture year, two number model year.

Under the 1984 HIN rule your 1978 CVX would have read GCV 10480 C8 78
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 07, 2013, 03:14:40 PM
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We could do a little investigation on our own here. Doarn's CVZ-18 and my CVZ18 are the same production year. Could we compare the two HIN numbers and see if their would be any relivance? Maybe it would also help to have a HIN for a couple 1978 CVX-18 to compare to also since the haul designs are relatively the same.  

Here is the HIN for my '78 CVX 18     GCV10480M78H         Color is    Silver                            and   OMC outdrive
                              '80 CVX 18      GCV16381M89F         Color is    Champagne w/ beige       and    Mercruiser outdrive
  Let's assume there is a method to the Hin # madness and that basic info is contained in the Hin, organized similar to Vin #'s on your auto.
  We know that "GCV" indicates Glastron Carlson built in Anaheim,Ca.
  Let's assume the next series of numbers represents the consecutive unit or build number, for the '78 that is 10480, for the '80 it's 16381.
  The next segment is 'M'. This could designate the hull design  as both boats are CVX 18's and both have the 'M' in common. I suspect
        hull design because other CVX's, built in Anaheim , listed in this thread have the 'M'.
  That leaves a combination of 2 numbers and a letter. These could indicate outdrive and engine combination.
  This method would give the factory or dealer basic info that could  identify the boat for any warranty issues.

What do you guys think. Am I on the right track or just blowing smoke.

'78 CVX18



'80 CVX 18
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/glastronjohn18/CVX18/CVX_zps690da169.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/glastronjohn18/media/CVX18/CVX_zps690da169.jpg.html)

John, I think you are on to something, OK let's put the three 78' HINs we have side by side Doran's, mine and John's.

1978 CVZ-18.   GCV09123M78B. Mine  Option factory ski pole mount
1978 CVZ-18.   GCV10465M78H. Doran. Standard factory engine cover
1978 CVX-18.   GCV10480M78H. John   Standard factory engine cover
1980 CVX-18.   GCV16381M80F.  John. Option factory ski pole mount

OK let's bread this down
First three digits
GCV = Production plant designation
Digits 4 and 5
I am thinking accessory option code
10  09 16
We have two with the same designation of 10 same model year and same factory engine cover and both are the same production year.
We have two with different designation of 09 and 16 both have the factory ski pole comp. mount an are different model years.
Digits 6 7 8
I am thinking production sequence, break it down as follows
My CVZ is a B production which means it is an early production hence explains the numbers 123
Doran's CVZ and John's CVX are both H production which is towards the end of production for the model years of 1978. Which would explain why their 6th 7th and 8th digits are so close 465 and 480.
9th digit
The letter M = CV/18' bottom hull mold
All four HINs have the M designation and all four are CV hull designs
Digits 10 11
We know these are year
Digit 12
We know this is production month

This is my opinion on the meaning of our HINs. Thanks John for putting your two out there they are a big help.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 07, 2013, 03:18:56 PM
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  The next segment is 'M'. This could designate the hull design  as both boats are CVX 18's and both have the 'M' in common. I suspect
        hull design because other CVX's, built in Anaheim , listed in this thread have the 'M'.
  That leaves a combination of 2 numbers and a letter. These could indicate outdrive and engine combination.
  This method would give the factory or dealer basic info that could  identify the boat for any warranty issues.

What do you guys think. Am I on the right track or just blowing smoke.
I think you're just blowing smoke on your M theory. Marks M code '77 GT150 kinda ruins that idea.

Next 2 #s designate the year. (I believe you meant to put a 0 where the 9 is in your '80?) Last letter may indicate month of production but I'm not entirely sure about that. Seems to me somebody told me otherwise. Danged if I can remember it now.

Did not catch that, well that throws out my theory on the 9th digit.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: CVX Fever on December 07, 2013, 03:48:14 PM
It could be that the boats didn't have unique serial numbers but lot numbers meaning year and month manufactured and facility location.

I have a 1980 Glastron Carlson parts manual that was given to dealers so I know they used "smart" part numbers. That said it is possible they did the same thing with the boat serial numbers.

Here is a direct quote out of my Glastron Carlson 1980 Small Parts Catalog and Service Manual:

" In many cases after the boat has been re-sold several times, the year and model is questionable. We maintain an accurate file of serial numbers on all boats sold and can assist you in identifying a questionable model."

So it sounds like the serial number at the least contained the model of the boat. Maybe color and model of drive system as well, who knows.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Glastronjohn18 on December 07, 2013, 04:09:41 PM
Send me some new glasses.
Doug and to all that caught it, you get the Eagle Eye Hunter Award. The next to last digit  for the '80 indeed is 0 not the 9 as I originally posted.
 I also missed the 5th digit from the end which should be a 9 instead of the 1. I've changed my post to reflect the proper numbers.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: MarkS on December 07, 2013, 04:18:26 PM
1971 GT-150 R  Serial No 1131060 Austin, Texas

(Never noticed the "R", but it's stamped into the plate from Glastron!)

 (http://s978.photobucket.com/user/MarkSmith_2010/media/GT%20150/10272012009Medium.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 07, 2013, 04:18:44 PM
Hey Doran, in you log of CVZ do you have any 78s listed that came with the bow cover or another with the comp ski pole? And do you have the HIN for it. Just curious for my thoughts on the option code
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Rich_V174SS on December 07, 2013, 04:28:56 PM
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1971 GT-150 R  Serial No 113060 Austin, Texas

(Never noticed the "R", but it's stamped into the plate from Glastron!)

I think you're missing a digit there Mark, there should be 7 digits and the 4th would be a (1) for it to be a '71 boat. The R is most likely a color indicator for "Red".
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Jason on December 07, 2013, 05:09:50 PM
So we 5 digits in the middle of the HIN that be specific to glastrons. How many glastrons do think were made in one year? It's got to be over 1000. What I am getting at is every single glastron has to have unique HIN. And with only 5 digits there can't be more than one or two to those numbers that actually mean anything while the remaining are just a unique number to make it different then the next glastron. Kind of like the last 6 or so digits of a VIN. Maybe the model but likely not more than that.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: V153 on December 07, 2013, 05:24:00 PM
1971 GT-150 R  Serial No 113060 Austin, Texas

(Never noticed the "R", but it's stamped into the plate from Glastron!)


That's the "R"acing model ...
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 07, 2013, 05:44:08 PM
So we 5 digits in the middle of the HIN that be specific to glastrons. How many glastrons do think were made in one year? It's got to be over 1000. What I am getting at is every single glastron has to have unique HIN. And with only 5 digits there can't be more than one or two to those numbers that actually mean anything while the remaining are just a unique number to make it different then the next glastron. Kind of like the last 6 or so digits of a VIN. Maybe the model but likely not more than that.

As I stated in my theory, I think the first two numbers of the five digit number are an option code while the last three are a production sequence number.

On the total production numbers of models per year, think of it this way. With five plant designations for the beginning of the hin, and if the letter before the model year stands for a specific hull mold. I am guessing around 800 to 900 hulls produced of each hull design.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: aquamaniac on December 07, 2013, 05:54:57 PM
The "M" means that Glastron was using the optional display of model year instead of certificate date. "M" stands for model year.

When this law went into effect manufacturers didn't like that they would have to stamp 72 into a 1973 model hull so the law allowed the optional method that Glastron used of stamping the model year and then a month code.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Glastronjohn18 on December 07, 2013, 05:59:29 PM
Brandon, I don't think there are any option codes just serial (consecutive unit numbers). The factory could list the options and drive systems by serial number after the hull was built.  
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Here is a direct quote out of my Glastron Carlson 1980 Small Parts Catalog and Service Manual:

" In many cases after the boat has been re-sold several times, the year and model is questionable. We maintain an accurate file of serial numbers on all boats sold and can assist you in identifying a questionable model."

OPPS wasn't there a fire?
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Glastronjohn18 on December 07, 2013, 06:03:59 PM
Good work on the date code Aquamaniac, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 07, 2013, 06:10:20 PM
Brandon, I don't think there are any option codes just serial (consecutive unit numbers). The factory could list the options and drive systems by serial number after the hull was built.  
Quote
Here is a direct quote out of my Glastron Carlson 1980 Small Parts Catalog and Service Manual:

" In many cases after the boat has been re-sold several times, the year and model is questionable. We maintain an accurate file of serial numbers on all boats sold and can assist you in identifying a questionable model."

OPPS wasn't there a fire?

John, I think you are correct on that Here is a list of all the GCV HINs and corresponding models. Nothing matches up to show any pattern. They are just random numbers.

GCV04766M76F  1976 CV16
gcv02358m74h  1974 CV-18
GCV17524M81F  1981 C500
GCV01762M74C 1974 CV16SS
GCV06310M77C 1977 CVX 16
GCV04295M76B 1976 CVX20
GCV15210M79L 1979 CVX18
GCV09123M78B 1978 CVZ-18. 
GCV10480M78H 1978 CVX-18. 
GCV16381M80F 1980 CVX-18. 
GCV10465M78H 1978 CVZ-18. 
 
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: CVX Fever on December 07, 2013, 06:15:18 PM
Jason I think your probably correct or pretty close to it. The first 2 numbers could designate the model for that year and the rest of the digits sequential units built. They probably kept another log tying the serial# to a build sheet.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: V153 on December 07, 2013, 06:20:15 PM
The "M" means that Glastron was using the optional display of model year instead of certificate date. "M" stands for model year.
That'd be my guess.

I tend to agree, there's probly model/color info coded into the HIN, somewhere. Then again mebbe not. Clastron did have a couple fires that "destroyed the records"?

Crapshoot at best if'n ya ask me. But I'm in ...
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: CVX Fever on December 07, 2013, 06:26:30 PM
John what I have came from a Glastron Carlson dealership. A member on the now defunct Trailer Boats  boards sent it to me for free because he knew I had a CVX18 that I loved and had owned a CV23 Hardtop at one time himself. Not sure where he got it.

After reading Brandons last post they do seem to be just random numbers. His and Dorans boats are the same model, color, year and nothing really matches up or makes sense.

So I suspect the serial numbers are meaningless by themselves and Glastron had a system to link them with a buildsheet to determine how the boat was built.

Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: aquamaniac on December 07, 2013, 07:08:31 PM
If you sort those examples by the 5 digit serial number they display in chronological order



GCV01762M74C 1974 CV16SS
gcv02358m74h 1974 CV-18
GCV04295M76B 1976 CVX20
GCV04766M76F 1976 CV16
GCV06310M77C 1977 CVX 16
GCV09123M78B 1978 CVZ-18.
GCV10465M78H 1978 CVZ-18.
GCV10480M78H 1978 CVX-18.
GCV15210M79L 1979 CVX18
GCV16381M80F 1980 CVX-18.
GCV17524M81F 1981 C500
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Hyperacme on December 07, 2013, 07:17:00 PM
Shouldn't a link be posted on CGOA, for a larger data base ?
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Glastronjohn18 on December 07, 2013, 07:19:45 PM
Here is one more I found on e-bay. 1980 CVX 18 Champagne / beige. Has the 2 bbl 305(898) mine has the 4bbl (228).  Just one digit from mine.
GO?V16390M80F
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Glastron-Carlson-CVX18-mercrusier-898-V8-motor-and-Glastron-Trailer-/221332551113?forcerrptr=true&hash=item338872b5c9&item=221332551113&pt=Power_Motorboats (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Glastron-Carlson-CVX18-mercrusier-898-V8-motor-and-Glastron-Trailer-/221332551113?forcerrptr=true&hash=item338872b5c9&item=221332551113&pt=Power_Motorboats)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 07, 2013, 07:48:58 PM
If you sort those examples by the 5 digit serial number they display in chronological order



GCV01762M74C 1974 CV16SS
gcv02358m74h 1974 CV-18
GCV04295M76B 1976 CVX20
GCV04766M76F 1976 CV16
GCV06310M77C 1977 CVX 16
GCV09123M78B 1978 CVZ-18.
GCV10465M78H 1978 CVZ-18.
GCV10480M78H 1978 CVX-18.
GCV15210M79L 1979 CVX18
GCV16381M80F 1980 CVX-18.
GCV17524M81F 1981 C500


Good eye, they are a production sequence.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 07, 2013, 07:50:18 PM
Shouldn't a link be posted on CGOA, for a larger data base ?

I agree, this needs to be done!
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Hyperacme on December 07, 2013, 10:25:38 PM
Posted on CGOA ...

http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9658 (http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9658)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: MarkS on December 08, 2013, 06:47:24 AM
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1971 GT-150 R  Serial No 113060 Austin, Texas

(Never noticed the "R", but it's stamped into the plate from Glastron!)

I think you're missing a digit there Mark, there should be 7 digits and the 4th would be a (1) for it to be a '71 boat. The R is most likely a color indicator for "Red".
You're right Rich - the number is 1131060, I'll correct my original post.  (Probably should get my eyeglass prescription checked again!)   ::)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: catchnedge on December 09, 2013, 08:46:13 AM
The "M" means that Glastron was using the optional display of model year instead of certificate date. "M" stands for model year.

When this law went into effect manufacturers didn't like that they would have to stamp 72 into a 1973 model hull so the law allowed the optional method that Glastron used of stamping the model year and then a month code.

May also have caused some titling and registration issues, another reason to distinguish production date and model year... i.e. keep your 1973 boat from being titled as a '72 with older method.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: california special on December 09, 2013, 01:11:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/8ozCNlyl.jpg)

1980 Glastron Carlson CVX 18 California Special
GCV16623M80G
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: V153 on December 09, 2013, 04:23:07 PM
If the #s are sequential as to number of hulls produced. Using the available data you come up with anywhere from 4 to 12+ boats per working day. Either way that's purty impressive.

Takes me a lil longer ... But by golly I can wreck one in a matter of seconds!?

Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Jason on December 11, 2013, 06:48:49 PM
Found these numbers on the Glastron History page. Guess they made a lot more boats than I thought!

http://cgoamn.com/5.html (http://cgoamn.com/5.html)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: 75starflight on December 11, 2013, 07:31:15 PM
Found these numbers on the Glastron History page. Guess they made a lot more boats than I thought!

http://cgoamn.com/5.html (http://cgoamn.com/5.html)

WOW!!
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Hyperacme on December 28, 2013, 09:01:51 AM
Paul (zonian) from CGOA forum ...

Aaron/Gregg

My boat is listed as a 1980 CVX-16 Deluxe on the title, original color gold metalflake/beige hull.
HIN GCV15817M80C
Funny though, I don't see a CVX-16 Deluxe listed in the 1980 Factory Images section??? Any ideas?

Paul
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: simon3tiw on June 28, 2015, 09:36:33 AM
Hi,

I have a 1980's cvx16 ss, laser blue with the omc motor.
HIN: GCV15361M80A


Grtz,
Simon
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Carlson_from_Germany on June 28, 2015, 03:21:40 PM
Nice. Where are you located?
We tried to collect the data but since there weren't enough participants there was no chance of getting anything out of it.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Rosscoe on June 29, 2015, 07:20:40 PM
Lets just keep adding to this tread. Its good info to have anyways. I haven't recorded more than one or two. Good excuse to do it!
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: atomant on June 29, 2015, 08:33:59 PM
Great topic! Unfortunately, I am not happy...lol, y'all have "real" HIN's. Try going to your state wildlife office and asking for a title and registration for a 70/71 Glastron Carlson CV-16 that has HIN 2410.B! The first thing the wildlife offer said, "that's not a hull ID number"...so I presented her with pics of the Hull ID plate! I received the title 10 days later..titled as 2410.B....Gregg might share the link to more about this boat.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Rosscoe on June 29, 2015, 08:44:27 PM
I don't remember what the cut off is but at least in Minnesota, I believe most boats pre XX don't have titles?
Even the 84 I just purchased doesn't have a title, per Se.
There is a registration card. The trailer has a title thou. Probably different for in every state.
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Hyperacme on June 30, 2015, 08:38:16 AM
Link to Ed's (atomant) thread ...

http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=5715.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=5715.0)
Title: Re: Bring back some lost Glastron data
Post by: Rosscoe on July 06, 2015, 09:38:24 PM
1984 CVX-17
HIN # GCV19590M84B

Coral