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Title: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 19, 2013, 01:49:28 PM
On our way back to Des Moines now.

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Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Hyperacme on January 19, 2013, 01:52:17 PM
SWEET Brandon !
Get her home and the FUN can start ...
Title: Re: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 19, 2013, 01:55:41 PM
He's going to have LOTS and LOTS of fun...

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Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: thedeuceman on January 19, 2013, 01:57:48 PM
AWESOME !
That was a great buy and will sure be a fun project... and a blast on the water.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: thedeuceman on January 19, 2013, 01:58:51 PM
did you have to pay extra for the crumpled up bucket and the garden hose  ;)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Hyperacme on January 19, 2013, 02:00:03 PM
Are all the hard to find parts there ?
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 19, 2013, 02:04:08 PM
Garden hose was free, boat & trailer were free too, the bucket was $350.00.  Can you believe that bargain?

Gregg - Yes, all the important pieces are there...some interior too, no buckets though.  One windshield is broken, one vent is broken, and ladder piece is missing...but all the necessary bits are there.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Jason on January 19, 2013, 02:34:59 PM
COOL! can't wait to see her  come back to life.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: carlsoncvx18 on January 19, 2013, 02:53:33 PM
Brandon

Cool looking project can't wait to see her or him though the process of rebuilding.

Look forward to seeing it at Red Wing in August???????????????

Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Hyperacme on January 19, 2013, 03:04:05 PM
$350 is a fair price for an old bent up bucket, garden hose is just added gravy ... LOL
Title: Re: Re: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 19, 2013, 03:11:52 PM
Look forward to seeing it at Red Wing in August???????????????

Brandon is glad you never specified what year for Red Wing!
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: MarkS on January 19, 2013, 04:47:34 PM
Nice score Brandon, and "good on ya'" Doran for making the trip (partially anyway) with him.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: OleRed on January 19, 2013, 04:59:08 PM
Great Project ... I'll bet that bucket would sell on Ebay 
Title: Re: Re: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 19, 2013, 05:05:28 PM
Nice score Brandon, and "good on ya'" Doran for making the trip (partially anyway) with him.

Someone had to talk him off the cliff...

We've got another hour to get back to Des Moines... trailer's great!
Title: Re: Re: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 19, 2013, 07:47:25 PM
Nice score Brandon, and "good on ya'" Doran for making the trip (partially anyway) with him.

Someone had to talk him off the cliff...

We've got another hour to get back to Des Moines... trailer's great!
Yep Doran had to talk me down on walking away from her. But after hooking her up to the Yukon and seeing her in the rear view mirror I can say I am hooked.
I will post some pics tomorrow when I get her home so you guys can see the work needed to get her on the water again.

Thanks again to Doran for going with me to pick her up!

Let the fun begin! ::)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Burnin Daylight on January 19, 2013, 08:37:08 PM
Good job B!  I'm anxious to see you have some fun with this project.   My best advice is figure out if you prefer Tylenol or ibuprofen for headaches.  (and take lots of pictures)  I'm happy for you and Amber.  Looking forward to seeing her restored to the beautiful classic she deserves to be.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 19, 2013, 08:43:28 PM
Good job B!  I'm anxious to see you have some fun with this project.   My best advice is figure out if you prefer Tylenol or ibuprofen for headaches.  (and take lots of pictures)  I'm happy for you and Amber.  Looking forward to seeing her restored to the beautiful classic she deserves to be.

Thanks Barb!
I may as well buy stock in pain killers before I tear into it. I think I will be taking a few before it is over.

I might have a donor boat already at home. What do you think?

http://grandisland.craigslist.org/boa/3534870865.html (http://grandisland.craigslist.org/boa/3534870865.html)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 19, 2013, 08:44:44 PM
Brandon's got a good foundation to start with, just needed a little positive reinforcement and encouragement from someone who's 'been there'.

He's starting at about the same place I did.

Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: still_fishin on January 19, 2013, 08:48:55 PM
Congratulations Amber and Brandon.
Shawn and I have seat patterns for the round ones in my intimidator if you need them.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Burnin Daylight on January 19, 2013, 09:06:58 PM
Good job B!  I'm anxious to see you have some fun with this project.   My best advice is figure out if you prefer Tylenol or ibuprofen for headaches.  (and take lots of pictures)  I'm happy for you and Amber.  Looking forward to seeing her restored to the beautiful classic she deserves to be.

Thanks Barb!
I may as well buy stock in pain killers before I tear into it. I think I will be taking a few before it is over.

I might have a donor boat already at home. What do you think?

http://grandisland.craigslist.org/boa/3534870865.html (http://grandisland.craigslist.org/boa/3534870865.html)

That is too long of a sell for me to think about a donor boat. I lost interest the first season.  Be safe getting on home with her.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Terry_Curran on January 19, 2013, 09:20:12 PM
When Doran was thinking about getting his CVZ, I was on the other end of the line trying to talk him out of it!  As you can tell, I didn't have any influence on him.  Good luck with your boats Brandon, and congrats with your purchase.

Terry
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 19, 2013, 09:23:23 PM
When Doran was thinking about getting his CVZ, I was on the other end of the line trying to talk him out of it!  As you can tell, I didn't have any influence on him.  Good luck with your boats Brandon, and congrats with your purchase.

Terry

Ha!  I told Brandon that same story today!
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Bayflite73 on January 19, 2013, 09:27:16 PM
Awesome Brandon!
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 19, 2013, 09:29:44 PM
History repeats itself Brandon.  I think my boat rides quite a bit lower than yours?

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Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 19, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
I do agree
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 19, 2013, 10:24:54 PM
Brandon - Here's where I put my lights.  The Red is just a forward running light, with the yellow turn signal by the wheel.

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Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: MarkS on January 20, 2013, 04:38:28 AM
There's nothing quite like the ride home with your new project, except maybe pulling up to the ramp for the first time when she's done.

re: donor boat -
Quote
im very negotiable on price
That may be a "smokin' deal" in the works, plus you could sell the trailer and hardware off the boat to recoup some of the money.  Hope he drained or winterized the drive train though.....?

re: CVZ - Very do-able project Brandon, and definitely worth the time and money IMHO.  It ain't easy, but the payoff in the end makes it all worth while!
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Jerry on January 20, 2013, 11:51:45 AM
Did you trade the Avalanche Doran?
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 20, 2013, 12:19:41 PM
Did you trade the Avalanche Doran?

No, I had the Dodge when I got my CVZ in Indy 3 years ago.  Loved that truck, but 6' tall kids don't fit in an extended cab...so I traded that for the Ford Explorer Sport Trac.  Hated that truck, had it for 3 mos., then got the Avalanche...which I love.

Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 20, 2013, 02:11:26 PM
Uploading photos to photobucket. They will be posted shotly!

BTW Amber thinks it looks better in person.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 20, 2013, 02:23:35 PM
BTW Amber thinks it looks better in person.

You brought it to her work didn't you?  Or did she come home for lunch?  That's great Brandon!

We've got a couple inches of snow now here, so its great you missed it all...interstate visibility is bad here now.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 20, 2013, 02:54:54 PM
BTW Amber thinks it looks better in person.

You brought it to her work didn't you?  Or did she come home for lunch?  That's great Brandon!

We've got a couple inches of snow now here, so its great you missed it all...interstate visibility is bad here now.

I took it to work for her to see it.

Whew!!! Glad I got my but out of bed at 7am and was on the road by 8am.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 20, 2013, 02:59:05 PM
Ok you all have been waiting for these.

Majority of the Damage on the hull

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Dont you just love the silicone!

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Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 20, 2013, 03:00:34 PM
More Pics

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Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 20, 2013, 03:01:45 PM
more pics

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Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 20, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
Last ones

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If you cant tell in the last two pictures there is through hull exhaust. But it is made out of old automotive exhaust flanges. don't you just love the red neck way of doing things!

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Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 20, 2013, 03:07:40 PM
You also got the factory tow bar?  That's awesome Brandon!  Mine doesn't even have that on it as an option.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 20, 2013, 03:11:25 PM
I have a question on that tow bar.

Is there supposed to be a pipe of some sort that it hooks to once it goes through the hole in the engine cover?
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: WetRaider on January 20, 2013, 03:44:59 PM
That's awesome, Brandon !!
Glad you were able to get it home and cleaned out - Outdrive in good shape?
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Burnin Daylight on January 20, 2013, 04:08:15 PM
I have a question on that tow bar.

Is there supposed to be a pipe of some sort that it hooks to once it goes through the hole in the engine cover?

There is a pipe with a spring in it that hooks to the back of the seat.  That tow bar has an L shaped slot in the end of it that when you slide it down push the spring down and twist it hooks into the L slot.  Does that make sense?  Next time I get close to Burnin Daylight I'll text you some pics.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 20, 2013, 04:50:37 PM
Yep I got it Barb. Thanks for the info. If you could when you take pictures could you put a tape on it just so I might be able to recreate it incase I cant find one?

Thanks

Dan, the out drive seems to shift well but the cables are stiff. I am currently looking for a donor boat for a 350 and alpha drive to drop in her since I have absolutely nothing for an engine at all. mounts, pumps cooling system ect. at all! :P
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: wexrocks on January 20, 2013, 05:55:44 PM
Brandon,

You can watch my youtube video from my CVZ-19 if you like, maybe you've already seen it. I've been told by a few other CVZ owners that it is project inspiring, that may or may not be true, but it's also somewhat informative as far as the interior goes. I could give you a few pointers on some little tips and tricks I discovered along the way, that may make it easier by avoiding issues from the beginning. Also, I have no idea what your intentions with it are, but if you are considerring going with the original seat design, I'll be making new buckets for the Scimitar at some point, and could help there with patterns or making you a pair, something like that if you are interested.

1979 Glastron/Carlson CVZ-19 convertible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPsSmhPAc5E#)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 20, 2013, 06:16:41 PM
Thanks Wex! We will have to talk sometime. I will PM you my number.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 20, 2013, 08:55:34 PM
Hey...did you find the CVZ-18 grab handle?  Just realized its not attached in the picture of the radio/port side...
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 20, 2013, 10:00:21 PM
nope, its gone >:(

I have a feeling that is going to be one of the hardest to find.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 21, 2013, 02:55:07 PM
The good news is though, that unless 2 CVZ's are side by side, no one will ever know its supposed to be different from the aftermarket one's you can buy.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 84carlson on January 23, 2013, 09:24:18 PM
Looking good Brandon, time to clean out the garage and start the process...

I saw this in Kansas City might be a good parts boat for your project, probable get you money back on the trailer, might be to far gone but your a mechanic...

Crown Line Celebrity (18 foot) - $600 (Kansas City, KS.)


Joe
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 24, 2013, 07:47:42 AM
I will keep that boat in mind Joe, but I might have a donor a little closer to home in hastings.

I would really love to start on the CVZ, but I have to finish up Phoenix Rising first. And regrettably I do not have a garage just a small work shop that I wish I could get the boats in there to work on. I plan on building a tarp shed to complete Phoenix Rising and then move it over the Fawkes.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: CVX Fever on January 24, 2013, 09:36:28 AM
That's a good deal in KC. Sell the tandem axle trailer and you just got a complete 5.7/Alpha drive packge for free. The trailer alone looks like it would fetch more than $600. Of course you'd still need to dispose of the boat.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 24, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
Here is the donor boat I am going to go look at this weekend. Its only 45mins drive.

http://grandisland.craigslist.org/boa/3534870865.html (http://grandisland.craigslist.org/boa/3534870865.html)

its a bayliner 22' capri with 5.7 and alpha drive, I am going to try to pick it up for $600-$800, and the guy states it ran 2 years ago. Its a little bigger boat to dispose of but looks to be in a lot better shape and does not have a tree growing in it. Plus that one in KC would cost me another $500 to $600 to go after because it is a 4 hr drive one direction.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: CVX Fever on January 24, 2013, 09:50:09 AM
Brandon it looks to me like it has an OMC Cobra, not a MerCruiser drive. Pretty common with Bayliners of that vintage.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 24, 2013, 09:53:54 AM
I will find out for sure, I hope its not an OMC!

The bad thing is I don't have the time to make another run that far, and I probably won't till at least March or April.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Rich_V174SS on January 24, 2013, 09:54:18 AM
Brandon it looks to me like it has an OMC Cobra, not a MerCruiser drive. Pretty common with Bayliners of that vintage.

I concur, that's got an OMC Cobra package in it, not a Mercruiser at all.

On the plus side the Cobra has the same key-hole cut out in the transom so it will fit in the place of a Mercruiser, and will use standard OMC performance propellers.

The downside is it's an OMC Cobra.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 24, 2013, 10:18:49 AM
Well I called on the one in KC. The guy has never had it started does not know if it runs or if the out drive is any good. Might go look at it in another week. But I am a little hesitant to when it sounds like it has been sitting there for alot of years. He did say that he was willing to go down on the price. we will see what happens
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 24, 2013, 10:22:45 AM
Well I called on the one in KC. The guy has never had it started does not know if it runs or if the out drive is any good.

Translation = Block is cracked, Outdrive is shot.

You have LOTS of time Brandon to find the right donor boat, I wouldn't even consider it Brandon...
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 24, 2013, 10:26:24 AM
Well I called on the one in KC. The guy has never had it started does not know if it runs or if the out drive is any good.

Translation = Block is cracked, Outdrive is shot.

You have LOTS of time Brandon to find the right donor boat, I wouldn't even consider it Brandon...

That is my thoughts exactly, I have seen boats that cheap around here. I will say this, I am willing to spend the money for an operating boat, rather than one that I am not sure of that is on the cheap.

But if anyone knows of someone in the KC area that they can get to check it out, I would be willing to pay them for there time with in reason.
I will even line it up.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: CVX Fever on January 24, 2013, 10:34:36 AM
Even if the block is cracked you still got a fully dressed motor all the controls, and an Alpha drive system for basically free. So it"s worth a look in IMO. But true if it isn't the right deal, another one will always come along. I spent 2 years looking for the right donor boat.

Either way your on the right path repowering that boat with a 5.7/Alpha.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 24, 2013, 10:45:14 AM
You have a good point there. I will give it a couple days thought and call him back and offer him $300 for it.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: thedeuceman on January 24, 2013, 10:45:53 AM
That's a good price for that hardware and trailer IMO, but getting there is always the hassle.
in all my searching over the last 8 months or so i have not seen much Alpha stuff under 1k, though all of my quests have been pre alpha/ford.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 24, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
Made the call and offered $300 for the package, told them i would come Sunday and hook up to it no questions asked and haul it home. Still waiting to hear back.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 84carlson on January 24, 2013, 04:53:00 PM
I hope I did'nt open a can of worms, but at $300 you can get your money back out of the trailer...I'm sure in a week another one will pop up as well...Good luck...

Joe
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: V153 on January 24, 2013, 05:07:35 PM
I'm sure in a week another one will pop up as well
Like Granpappy Jack always liked to say, "Don't worry, another turd will pop up soon ..."



Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 24, 2013, 05:14:42 PM
I hope I did'nt open a can of worms, but at $300 you can get your money back out of the trailer...I'm sure in a week another one will pop up as well...Good luck...

Joe

No can of worms here Joe, thought I would low ball them and see if they would take it. I think the guy I am dealing with is a middle man and his boss at work is the true owner of the boat. I will give him till tomorrow morning and if he don't call I am not going to worry about it.

Heck I still have to rebuild it so i have plenty of time, and who knows mabey the next one will be an operating boat. :D
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Hyperacme on January 24, 2013, 06:14:25 PM
Not sure if this is a good deal or not ...

1995 Mercruiser 5.7L/350 GM Engine Complete - $1300 (Rogers)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/boa/3530783516.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/boa/3530783516.html)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 24, 2013, 06:24:45 PM
Well, I'd be interested in the outdrive off Fawkes if you upgrade to the Alpha One.  Your skeg is bent anyway...  ;)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 24, 2013, 09:06:24 PM
Thanks Gregg, but I will pass for now, really need to start saving money to get Phoenix finished, and then I can get started on Fawkes.

Doran, you will be the first in line to get the out drive from Fawkes once I get it removed.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 24, 2013, 09:18:57 PM
I'm trying to remember what I paid (all total) for my donor parts...I *think* it was $175...and that was $50 for the engine, $50 for the manifolds and I think $75 for the outdrive, plus the expense & time on a long drive up to Buffalo Lake, MN and back.

So yeah, if you can get it all for $300...that'd be a deal I think.

Once you have the motor rebuilt, it should be ethanol safe as well, so that's a plus for you on down the line.  (At least, that's what I was told on mine anyway.)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 24, 2013, 09:33:42 PM
Just found that CL ad...even at $600 that's likely a deal Brandon...sell the trailer for $300 and you're at your $300.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 24, 2013, 09:51:21 PM
Haven't heard anything this evening, going to give him a call in the morning. Might up my offer to $400.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: wexrocks on January 24, 2013, 10:07:42 PM
I love a good project! Sounds like we've got one in the making here... And being a CVZ certainly gets my atention!

The only reason I comment is... and this comes from my personal experience, so it's value may differ or vary... wait for the "right" donor. You've said that you have one project to finish, so you can justify giving this one a little more time, right? it WILL come along. Just give it time. Between the combination of the daily listings of people looking to move a boat, the people desperate or less knowledgeable about what they have, and the watchful eye of the combined members... I think something will come up. How great would it be to find a total package that you can lake test, part out, and strip of all sorts of valuable pieces? All it takes is patience. If you find different opportunities along the way that allow you to "piece" it together, great. But, since you have time on your side, my advice (whatever that is worth) is to sit back, wait, and watch. If all else fails, I always seem to find deals somehow (too much time on craigslist, probably) and I'll snatch something up, you and your copilot Doran can come out here and get it, and all will be good!  ;D

Can't wait to see this project get off the ground, best of luck to you. I'll talk to you soon about all things cosmetic, like we discussed.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 25, 2013, 08:10:53 AM
I think I am going to pass on the one in KC after sleeping on it last night.

As a few of you have said, wait for the "right" donor.

Amber and I talked last night that we would be willing to pay more for a boat we can water test and know we can drop everything into Fawkes do some minor adjustments and hit the water. Instead of buying something that we know nothing about and have to dump the same amount into the outdrive and engine that we could spend on a newer running boat.

Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 25, 2013, 11:22:47 AM
I would say that it depends on if you're looking for an engine you can drop in and go, or if you're looking for a base to rebuild off of...

I went super cheap knowing that I wanted it completely rebuilt before I used it.  The benefit to a fresh rebuild is that you know what you've got then...ethanol safe parts, gaskets, etc, etc.  

If you buy a 20 year old engine and drop it in, you've got a 20 year old engine...so I chose to buy cheap and get it rebuilt so I knew what I had.  For me, that was a wise decision (since I don't have the knowledge to do it myslef)...for $1500, I should have a trouble free powerplant for the next 20 years.  It truly was a drop in, turn key solution.

Lets say you paid $400 for that KC boat...you have absolutely everything you need to go forward.  

There will be other boats absolutely true...but even the Alpha drive at $400 is a bargain...provided its good.

See if you agree with my math:

Runnning Donor                                  KC Donor (as an example only)

$1200?                                                       $400                       -Initial Cost
$ -0-                                                         $1500                     -Rebuild Cost

$1200                                                        $1900                     -Intial "On the Water" Total Cost


2016 EPA Approves/Req's Ethanol Use in ALL motors:

$2000                                                        $0                          - Rebuild Motor for Ethanol retrofit in say 2020 or simply
                                                                                                because the engine is now 30 years old.  Prices will
                                                                                                have also risen for the rebuild due to inflation & price increases.

$3200                                                         $1900                     - 10 Year Total Cost of Ownership

($1300)                                                                                    - $1300 downstream out of pocket expense

I guess that's how I looked at it with my engine rebuild...I'm trying to avoid the larger downstream expenses.  Maybe Ethanol won't cause that huge of expense, but you still have an engine that's 30 years old...and will need a rebuild sooner rather than later.

Again, just my thoughts on the cheap donor vs. running donor.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: carlsoncvx18 on January 25, 2013, 04:21:49 PM
I Agree with you Doran on a Cheap donor boat with the outdrive you are hoping for.

If you plan on hanging on to the boat for many years I would rebuild in a heart beat as Doran said you know what you have.

Yes a sbc can be overhauled pretty inexpensively.

I had mine bored out .030, decked,crank polished,rods sized and mounted on to new pistons(pistons come with master overhaul kit) and a master overhaul kit for under $1200 bucks. Head were in pretty good shape just needed cleaning so if you need heads overhauled added roughly another $300. brings your rebuild close to $1500 for a stock 350 260hp.

But if you are looking for something different as in hp other than stock then it is a different story, and mo money.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 25, 2013, 04:43:40 PM
Personally from dealing with the guy in KC, I believe that the true seller was really not wanting to sell it. I have never heard back and I am not going to waste my time.

I hate to say it, but I am willing to spend a little more for a donor than $1200. I am looking more in the range of $3000 to $3500 maybe a little more than that. I am not kidding, I want to find something that can be put on the water and be tested and then take what I want and sell the rest.

possibly something along this line

http://cosprings.craigslist.org/boa/3568897836.html (http://cosprings.craigslist.org/boa/3568897836.html)  

And when I have the money saved up I will buy it!
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 25, 2013, 05:05:09 PM
BTW I do agree with your math Doran, but I just can't beat a dead horse any more.  :P
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 84carlson on January 25, 2013, 06:22:21 PM
Wow...sometimes it nice to be an outboard guy.....
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 25, 2013, 06:28:55 PM
Wow...sometimes it nice to be an outboard guy.....

Nah, they both have their issues, you just have to pick your poison.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Jason on January 25, 2013, 08:58:47 PM
It's the cost if TIME and MONEY. If you can't hear it run and verify it's not cracked I wouldn't waste my time. To me it's worth knowing you don't need to do something twice! You might get lucky with a great deal but it does not always work out that way. Do any of you remember the Big Yellow Turd?
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: wexrocks on January 25, 2013, 10:21:57 PM
It's the cost if TIME and MONEY. If you can't hear it run and verify it's not cracked I wouldn't waste my time.

Good point Jason... I don't consider doing a rebuild even on a previously automotive motor until it's been stripped and pressure tested. Lots of people look for the quick and easy tell-tale external cracks, but they overlook the potential for internal cylinder wall cracks, lifter valley (the weakest part of an engiine, as far as I'm concerned) cracks, and so on. Pressure tests don't lie, I swear by them, and I never spend a dollar until I do that first. But I'm a skeptic, it's my nature!  ;D
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 25, 2013, 11:05:57 PM
It's the cost if TIME and MONEY. If you can't hear it run and verify it's not cracked I wouldn't waste my time. To me it's worth knowing you don't need to do something twice! You might get lucky with a great deal but it does not always work out that way. Do any of you remember the Big Yellow Turd?

The Big Yellow Turd?  Please do tell, I don't think I have ever heard of that.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Hyperacme on January 26, 2013, 07:55:13 AM
I think this was the thread ...

http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=2141.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=2141.0)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: CVZ18Fan on January 26, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
Good luck with your build. Mine is in about the same condition. I am now just getting to walking around again from having knee surgery and haven't been on in a while. I figured I would reduce the torment to myself and just not look at boats for a while seeing that I couldn't do anything. I will be posting on my project also, maybe we can learn something from each other as we go, good luck.

Rich
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 28, 2013, 10:20:58 PM
Got some goodies in the mail to day.

Big thank you to Chris for the blank grab handle and the horn grill!

And a big thank you to Craig for the engine cover screws! Those will be going into the safety deposit box when I visit the bank until I need them.

(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i387/ban-one_1/CVZ-18/0128132212.jpg)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dorelse on January 28, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
The bow vent was broken?  Guess I missed that...good job stocking up on parts!
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on January 29, 2013, 07:43:34 AM
It just had a couple bars missing, for the price of both I could not pass it up.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: dgmeyer on February 02, 2013, 09:09:33 PM
Brandon,

I'm new to this forum but have read along with your project.   This boat is down at Lake of the Ozarks.   I get to our house down there every couple of weeks if you think this might be of interest to you - I can check it out.   I will say that you can often buy things pretty cheap there in the dead of winter when people need cash.


http://loz.craigslist.org/boa/3583979958.html (http://loz.craigslist.org/boa/3583979958.html)

Don
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on February 02, 2013, 09:33:56 PM
Thanks Don, looks like it would be a great donor, but right now I need to funnel all my funds into getting Phoenix Rising reassembled. I really want to have at least one boat running for the summer.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on March 03, 2013, 07:37:55 PM
Doing a little tinkering on some stuff for the CVZ. Located the control box I want, and a used control lever like we have in Phoenix Rising. Just have to wait till we have the funds to purchase them. When Doran and I picked up the CVZ it at one bilge vent about to fall off. We decided to break it off before towing down the interstate. So today I started the process of trying to fix it.

(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i387/ban-one_1/CVZ-18/0303131340_zps07ea1f0d.jpg)

Used gorilla glue to put the broken piece back on, going to wait at least 24hrs until I take the tape off.

(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i387/ban-one_1/CVZ-18/0303131903_zpsf1142c25.jpg)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on March 17, 2013, 12:40:19 PM
Took the tape off of the vent a couple of days ago. I think it looks pretty good. I also succeed in reattaching three of the pins i have found so far.

(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i387/ban-one_1/CVZ-18/0317131222_zps58bdb519.jpg)

(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i387/ban-one_1/CVZ-18/4a271c7a-e41a-4577-a1c8-466814f3ce25_zpsc5f4e8da.jpg)

(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i387/ban-one_1/CVZ-18/0317131222a_zps2cab440f.jpg)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Jason on March 17, 2013, 05:30:30 PM
Nice work. Those are really hard to find used. Worth fixing the ones you have.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on March 17, 2013, 06:09:56 PM
Thanks Jason, discovered the the other one is in need of some minor repair also while I was measuring my one semi good windshield.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Tomcvx on March 17, 2013, 06:41:32 PM
Nice job. Looks good. I've been looking for a horn grille for over a year now with no luck. Too bad Carlson didn't make metal/chromed horn grilles instead of plastic. The small strips crack over age.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Bayflite73 on March 17, 2013, 06:46:48 PM
Wish I had enough pieces of mine to do this! Sadly they were in tatters when I bought it. Anyone know of a source for new ones that have the flat bottoms as in they don't go into an exhaust box? I can't seem to find any flush models.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on March 17, 2013, 07:44:28 PM
Wish I had enough pieces of mine to do this! Sadly they were in tatters when I bought it. Anyone know of a source for new ones that have the flat bottoms as in they don't go into an exhaust box? I can't seem to find any flush models.

Hate to say it Josh, but I have not had any luck at all. every one i find has the extension for the collection box.

Honestly if I can't get these fixed and re-chromed I am planning on switching to the collection boxes. going to take some modifications but I think it can be done.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on March 17, 2013, 07:45:26 PM
Nice job. Looks good. I've been looking for a horn grille for over a year now with no luck. Too bad Carlson didn't make metal/chromed horn grilles instead of plastic. The small strips crack over age.

I agree with you there Tom. It would be nice to have them out of stainless or aluminum.

Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Bayflite73 on March 17, 2013, 07:48:47 PM
Hate to say it Josh, but I have not had any luck at all. every one i find has the extension for the collection box.

Honestly if I can't get these fixed and re-chromed I am planning on switching to the collection boxes. going to take some modifications but I think it can be done.
That's what I was afraid of... I wonder how much it would cost to have one of those 3D printing places replicate one.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on March 17, 2013, 08:00:50 PM
I was thinking the same thing Josh. I was also wondering if Barb and Red's plastic guy could clone them?

I have two good black ones on Phoenix Rising if I can get them off complete. Other wise I have the one I repaired with four pins that will need to be chromed again, its fairly straight.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Bayflite73 on March 17, 2013, 08:12:41 PM
I was thinking the same thing Josh. I was also wondering if Barb and Red's plastic guy could clone them?

I have two good black ones on Phoenix Rising if I can get them off complete. Other wise I have the one I repaired with four pins that will need to be chromed again, its fairly straight.


There are probably a bunch of us in the same conundrum! Maybe it'll turn into something like the boarding ladder clips on that other thread.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on March 19, 2013, 06:23:28 PM
Look what UPS brought me today! A Ladder to scavenge the lower part and hinges from!

(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i387/ban-one_1/CVZ-18/0319131809_zps3a451c46.jpg)

(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i387/ban-one_1/CVZ-18/0319131809a_zpsf0ee9cec.jpg)
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Jason on March 19, 2013, 06:47:58 PM
Is that the one that was on ebay that we couldn't figure out model it was from?
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: 75starflight on March 19, 2013, 07:00:35 PM
If it was, I purchased it privately off the national site. The guy I got it from told me it was off of an ssv 199.
Title: Re: Brandon's CVZ-18
Post by: Jason on March 20, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
Now that I look at it harder it's not the same one. Looks nice though!