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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: CVZ18Fan on April 18, 2013, 01:05:58 PM
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Was just talking to Mark out in Oklahoma. He sent me all of his project photos from his CVZ18 project. He also included some other pictures. He had some photos of the boat below. I called him immediately to ask him about the convertible cover. He said that a guy by the name of Eric owner it and he thought he was up in the MN area. The interesting thing was he said that he fabricated that cover, it was not an original. Does anyone know who Eric is, where he is and if he still has the mold he used to build this cover??
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/motoxconnection/0E4D244A-7D4F-496D-899B-D5213CFE86DA-2692-00000591C7476FB1_zps7ca0163b.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/motoxconnection/media/0E4D244A-7D4F-496D-899B-D5213CFE86DA-2692-00000591C7476FB1_zps7ca0163b.jpg.html)
Would really like to get in touch with him. Please let me know if you have any details.
Rich
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I plan on fabricating one for my CVZ18. I don't think it would be all that hard.
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Huh...I don't know of a Mark in OK? Or his CVZ project. I knew of Mark Turner's CVZ project, but his seats were a dark green, and didn't have a bow cover at the time. Is that the Mark you're speaking of?
Honestly, I think if a guy takes his time, a cover could be made, there are some bends etc, but nothing that I would consider a show stopper.
Do you have any more info than that Rich? A guy with a boat that nice would be part of the club, especially if he's in MN...but I've never heard of one up there. AFAIK...I'm the closest (to MN) CVZ-18 owner in the club.
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I try to keep an informal CVZ registry btw...and I don't have that one in my list.
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Hey Doran, yes that is the Mark I am talking about. The pic I put in this post was not of his, but of this guy named Eric. He said he would continue to look for Eric's contact info and get back to me.
As far as the CVZ registry, how many do you think are out there? How many do you have on your list?
Rich
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Hey Doran, yes that is the Mark I am talking about. The pic I put in this post was not of his, but of this guy named Eric. He said he would continue to look for Eric's contact info and get back to me.
As far as the CVZ registry, how many do you think are out there? How many do you have on your list?
Rich
Here's what I have...let me know if I'm missing any. If one shows up on the GOTD thread, I've tried to snag pictures as well, but I don't always remember to do that:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rVGe4RT6WHU/UXBDYe4dreI/AAAAAAAANq8/UVHgaRln_cc/s800/CVZ_Registry.jpg)
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Had to make 1 correction...HollieMac's is Emerald Mist/Mint not Blue/Lt. Blue...
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And Carl's wasn't on the list...corrected.
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If you were to guess, how many:
were made total:
made per production year:
do you think are left out there:
Just wondering, I know you follow then pretty close.
Rich
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If you were to guess, how many:
were made total:
made per production year:
do you think are left out there:
Just wondering, I know you follow then pretty close.
Rich
Its tough to guess how many made it out a year in production. I suppose I can ask Art and see if he remembers. I've always had the feeling that they just weren't that popular of a model.
I would be surprised if there were more than 50 of each model (CVZ18/19) alive today. What do you think of that estimate?
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Looking through the sales catalogs the CVZ18s were only made for 3 of the 4 years of production. While the CVZ19s were made all four years. I haven't seen to many of the 80 or 81 models listed anywhere for sale. As you can see by Doran's list the only knowns are the 78 and 79 models. Honestly I think the production numbers were kind of low by the amount you see for sale compared to the CVX18s
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Rich I remember that guy from way back when I started posting on the original Classic Glastron board back around 2004. He lives/lived in one of the Twin Cities suburbs. I can say he has never posted on the CGOAMN site to my knowledge. And I don't think he has been active in the national site in a long time. So it is hard to say if he and/or the boat are still around.
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If you were to guess, how many:
were made total:
made per production year:
do you think are left out there:
Just wondering, I know you follow then pretty close.
Rich
Its tough to guess how many made it out a year in production. I suppose I can ask Art and see if he remembers. I've always had the feeling that they just weren't that popular of a model.
I would be surprised if there were more than 50 of each model (CVZ18/19) alive today. What do you think of that estimate?
I agree with you on the numbers of what might still be around Doran. They are few in numbers.
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Do you get to talk to him?? Would be interesting to see if he has an idea on the numbers. Not sure I have a real good clue on the numbers. I would trust your guess as being as good as any.
So when I get mine finished would it be safe to say I would have the only white and orange one? I can see it in my head and it is awesome!
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Do you get to talk to him?? Would be interesting to see if he has an idea on the numbers. Not sure I have a real good clue on the numbers. I would trust your guess as being as good as any.
So when I get mine finished would it be safe to say I would have the only white and orange one? I can see it in my head and it is awesome!
I am able to talk to one of his sons, John. Red put me in touch with him to get Art the digital picture frame, which Art loves. I try not to pester him with 100's of questions as he's very busy leading a church, but he has expressed interest in sharing what he knows...just needs to find the time.
It may take a couple days, but he's pretty good about responding when he can spare a minute or 2 to do so.
He's hoping to one day share all his information with the club, he just really needs to find the time to do so.
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Very Cool!
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" He's hoping to one day share all his information with the club, he just really needs to find the time to do so "
That would be AWESOME !
Can you imagine the 1000's of question we would ask ... Boggles the mind ...
The picture he shared with us was very cool ...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAMNpic2/carlson_family_zpsc0d32fe2.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/CGOAMNpic2/carlson_family_zpsc0d32fe2.jpg.html)
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That is really you and your family?? What a great picture.
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That is really you and your family?? What a great picture.
That's the Carlson family.
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Picture is from a Carlson sales brochure.
They used Art's kids as models.
Think of all the cool photos he (Art & John) must have ...
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The picture of the convertible on the first page... that's original to the boat. The interior obviously isn't, but the flake is a perfect match, it has the interior "bumper" on the inside edge, and original latches. If it isn't original to that boat, then it was pulled from one with exactly the same amount of hours in the sun, with all the original hardware, and for it to look that good, then the rest of the boat would have looked that good as well, which would lead me to believe they would not have "parted" it out.
Beautiful boat, for sure!
You'd have to see the cover in person to realize the complex curves involved. Believe me, I pondered it for many hours staring at my boat from all angles, and I was pretty convinced I could do it too. But when I got my hands on an original for my CVZ-19, I realized I couldn't have done it. Not to discourage anyone by any means, I just think you'd agree if you knew what was involved. Best bet is to mold an original, that's if any of the few and the proud will let you! ;) The thing is, it's like a kit car of a rare original muscle/sports car (to a much lesser degree, of course) someone could mold it and sell them at a good profit, but, the more people have them, the less desireable/interesting it is... catch 22. I probably have a different perspective, because I no longer own one, and already did, but I understand the appreciation.
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I agree with you Wex, it is better to have the original so it makes it one of a few. I plan on looking for one for the time being.
But, if I do fabricate one for Fawkes, I can guarantee that another will not be produced.
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That it is a good point. I doubt that I will find an original but you never know.
Hey Doran, can I borrow yours to make a mold?? I promise not to hurt it.
Rich
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Good luck with that one Rich, I already tried.
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Not to give false hope, but I thought it was impossible to find one, and I found mine and Doran's... so, I proved myself wrong. I spent ALOT of time searching, that's the only advice I can give, and obviously can't guarantee results. Of course, those are two of the four that I know to exist, but, that can't be all of them... can it?
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Wex what makes you think the interior is not original? I have to agree with you though that the bow piece was probably original to the boat and not something that was fabricated and added later. Both have faded from blue to green in exactly the same way. That's why the interior is blue because the metalflake on the boat was also blue at one point. Notice also how the solid gelcote color is blue.
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Wex what makes you think the interior is not original? I have to agree with you though that the bow piece was probably original to the boat and not something that was fabricated and added later. Both have faded from blue to green in exactly the same way. That's why the interior is blue because the metalflake on the boat was also blue at one point.
CVX Fever... Hey! Been a while, I've been busy... look at the base cushion of the rear seat, and the rear deck pads. not original. and the rest of the interior matches color wise, so I assume it was all redone.
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Good grief, your right how did I miss that. Guess I need to start wearing my glasses more!
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Not to give false hope, but I thought it was impossible to find one, and I found mine and Doran's... so, I proved myself wrong. I spent ALOT of time searching, that's the only advice I can give, and obviously can't guarantee results. Of course, those are two of the four that I know to exist, but, that can't be all of them... can it?
I agree with you wex, there has to be more. But sometimes I wonder with only being produced for four years how many actually had the bow cover? It could be as little as 10% of the total production numbers over the four years. In that perspective if only 500 CVZs were produced over that 4 years, then only 50 bow covers would have been produced. That means one per state. Look at Fawkes, out of all the CVZs that have been for sale, how many have you seen with the ski pole option? The only one I know of is Fawkes. So is it a chance in a million to find the parts? probably, but it is the fun of the hunt that makes it all the more worth it in the end.
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Exactly... and I'll be honest, when I got the bow cover for the CVZ, I hugged it. No lie.
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I will continue my hunt without question.
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That it is a good point. I doubt that I will find an original but you never know.
Hey Doran, can I borrow yours to make a mold?? I promise not to hurt it.
Rich
I realize I'm going to come off as a massive prick, so I'm sorry in advance.
I have more invested in that cover than I paid for Goldie, I can't let it leave my sight. We had to buy a whole cvz just to get the cover, then have the cover shipped from TX to PA to IA...
It's not about denying you guys... its truly not, it's about protecting my investment, honoring the time and energy Wex spent finding not one but two, and the uniqueness it gives to a CVZ. It was expensive and there's a reason I haven't put a interior in the boat yet...
... or the stereo I originally wanted, or the gauges, or the Alpha One upgrade, and a $29 composite prop... :-D
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Exactly... and I'll be honest, when I got the bow cover for the CVZ, I hugged it. No lie.
You aren't alone in hugging parts, every time I find the needed parts for Fawkes and the arrive I am like a little kid on Christmas morning. Heck I paid $200.00 for a ladder just to get the factory boarding ladder hinges with the clips. And I still need to get the clips for them.
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Exactly... and I'll be honest, when I got the bow cover for the CVZ, I hugged it. No lie.
You aren't alone in hugging parts, every time I find the needed parts for Fawkes and the arrive I am like a little kid on Christmas morning. Heck I paid $200.00 for a ladder just to get the factory boarding ladder hinges with the clips. And I still need to get the clips for them.
Not sure if it's the right pieces, but ShromCVX-18 (good friend of mine) made plastic clips for his boarding ladder on my old CVX-18 that might be the right pieces... just sayin'... might be what you're looking for.
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Doran, I was messin with you man. I wasn't serious about using yours for a mold. It's all good man.
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Doran, I was messin with you man. I wasn't serious about using yours for a mold. It's all good man.
No! Don't let him off that easy! He's a "massive prick"! ;D
J/K... Doran is a good friend... that's why he has that bow cover...
Seriously, a good example of why this meaningless hunk of fiberglass means so much... Search, hunt, find, enjoy.
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I am still trying to remember, but I think Eric was from Cambridge and I do remember him making that cover, but no more than that. I had a blue/blue 79 CVZ that I sold in the metro area that I put the factory ski pole in with a 228 Mercruiser. Don't know what happened to it as it was sold again. Also keep in mind, these were the only open bow sport boats of that time. Most people buying them probably would not spend the extra money to cover up what they wanted the boat for, open bow! ???
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Whew!
I don't like not sharing with my fellow convertible captains...
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I am still trying to remember, but I think Eric was from Cambridge and I do remember him making that cover, but no more than that. I had a blue/blue 79 CVZ that I sold in the metro area that I put the factory ski pole in with a 228 Mercruiser. Don't know what happened to it as it was sold again. Also keep in mind, these were the only open bow sport boats of that time. Most people buying them probably would not spend the extra money to cover up what they wanted the boat for, open bow! ???
Well, that HAS to be the CVZ-18 that just sold a few weeks ago then...but it didn't have the bow cover listed (or pictured) in the ad ...
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Do you have the ad saved for the sale of the boat??
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I guess the jury is still out if the front cover was original or not. I sure would like to get in touch with the seller of the boat to find out more details. If anyone has information about the sale of it, please post what you know. I would greatly appreciate it.
Rich
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I don't Rich. I forgot to pull the info off.
Someone in the club called on it though, I think bambam or maybe Terry did?
Gregg - did you pull pictures of that CVZ?
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Thanks, maybe someone has some more info and will let me know.
Rich
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Doran. I have so much saved that even if ikept it I couldn't find it ...
If that was the boat, it must have sat out side for awhile !
Some one might have offered him a HUGE amount for cover and he sold it.
That make sence about buying an open bow then getting a cover for it.
Bet not many were sold !
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I do think it was Terry who called and was gonna run up and look at it.
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I agree, goes against the purpose of the open bow and that many people wouldn't have paid for something they were never going to use.
Rich
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Wasn't the boat in Cambridge emerald mist? I'm pretty sure it was. Anyways there was never any mention of a convertible cover for that boat, even when he had it for sale last fall.
And yes why buy the open bow version of the CVX18 and then get a cover to turn it back into a closed bow. Actually I suspect many didn't purchase the cover for two reasons. It was an expensive option and there is no place to store it in the boat when it's off which doesn't make it all that practical.
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Wasn't the boat in Cambridge emerald mist? I'm pretty sure it was. Anyways there was never any mention of a convertible cover for that boat, even when he had it for sale last fall.
It was an expensive option and there is no place to store it in the boat when it's off which doesn't make it all that practical.
Right, but isn't that boat in the picture Emerald Mist? Looked like it to me? Could obviously be a different CVZ-18, but it was in Cambridge. A photo of the bow would tell us if its the same pretty quickly.
When I originally designed my bench & center tow bar, I had visions of trying to build a slot for the bow cover to slide down into so I would always have a place to store it. The reality is that its so big and clumsy that I wouldn't have anywhere to attach the bench seatback to if I did that. I also have to figure out a better locking mechanism. The hooks they used from the factory would take out every thigh or knee going through there...there has to be a better way.
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The boat in the picture is blue. That's why I don't think the CVZ18 that sold in Cambridge this fall is the same boat.
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I can't see the photo at work...Photobucket photos are blocked, so I just get the 'broken' image symbol...
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I still think its Emerald Mist... a blue metalflake is much darker.
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I saved it ... Blew it up ... Don't know ?
Interior sure looks blue ...
Not much help but I love both colors ...
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I can't tell. My CVZ-19 really doesn't look green in any of the photos...this is the closest one that kinda looks green...but I agree the interior is blue on the one Rich posted...so boat likely was as well.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rxZI96uYD9M/TDjfC6Bba1I/AAAAAAAAHEo/sZi4Th6_rpg/s800/P7080074.JPG)
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That was a pretty boat, Doran. Look how clear that water was, too ...
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That was a pretty boat, Doran. Look how clear that water was, too ...
We love that lake...boat in sitting in 10 feet of water at the stern in that picture.
And yes, bluebell was a looker and that 235 could haul arse. I chickened out at 62 mph, and that was with a 20p Raker... I'd have loved to try it with the 22p Raker, but sold it before I got the chance....
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That is beautiful!!!
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I always thought the bow cover was a cool option. Not much more impractical than a truck with a cap, a convertible car with the top up, T-tops "in" on a Corvette, etc. I realize it's a little different, you do have to be committed to bow-on or bow-off when you launch the boat. But they do look really cool with the cover on. And, nice to have the sun blocked storage when it's you, or you and another passenger. Truth is, unless they are children, no one is sitting up there anyway, unless they are "little people". So when the kids aren't along, it's a neat option.
Plus it's unique, an original option, and another example of Art's futuristic and creative design. Not for everyone, I'm sure. But I did get alot of messages from CVZ owners that would have given just about anything to get their hands on the covers I found, so there is quite a bit of interest to have them, even if they rarely get used.
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Would you share the who, how, where about your cover Steve ?
Gotta be a story there ....
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I second that, story please. Maybe I can pick up some tips on how I can improve my search techniques.
Rich
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Wex is the search expert! He found 2!
I do love my cover for exactly what Steve described...its great for trailering, great when its me, stick the cooler up there, love the look, and it has saved a bunch of water from coming over the bow on 1 or 2 occasions. Probably the biggest benefit is that when its cool out (Night cruise) it offers up a bunch of wind protection on a cold night cruise
You do have to leave the dock committed to your decision, but I do love having it.
I owe him big time for trusting me enough to send it my way when he could have kept it.
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Ok, I'll try not to be too wordy. First, I spent ALOT of time searching. I used jaxed, which no longer works, but the google "site" search works good too (I can explain if needed). I combed through every "glastron" ad, every "glasstron" ad, every "glass tron", "gaston", "carlson", "clarson", "carson"... you get the idea. Any possible bad spelling you can think of that some yahoo might type in, and any keyword that someone might use to describe something that they have no clue about. Good example, I found my Intimidator in an ad for a motor and outdrive that came with a free "Gaston Clarson" hull. I investigated... Intimidator! Anyway... much, much searching. Many hours. First cover I found was in TX. In a horribly spelled ad for a parts boat. Cover was not shown, but I saw the hinges on the bow. Called, they had the cover to the side, said they thought it would block the view of parts people might want. WHAT? After about a week of calls and messages (pulling my hair out the whole time, thinking SOMETHING was gonna go wrong) it was FINALLY on a truck headed to me. I'm giving the short story... it was STRESSFUL! Probably took a few years off my life. Second one came from another horribly advertised pair of "parts" CVZ's... don't even remember what he thought they were, but I remember that he had NO idea what kind of boats they were. There were no pictures, so it was a shot in the dark, but I contacted him, and asked if there was a bow cover... Yup. Negotiated a price, and got him to take it for shipping. Aside from actually finding one, my advice is to not make too big a deal of it's importance. If they realize they've got something, it may end up on ebay, bidding against all your fellow members! Not that I encourage ripping someone off, but if a seller sets a price and you pay it, that's a square deal in my book. I don't have the time to devote to searching anymore. Maybe I've missed none, maybe I've missed five... who knows! I just had to let it go. I've had quite a few Carlsons, as many as five at once, and it IS a sickness! But, not a bad one, just other things to do right now. The Scimitar is my focus. It will get done, in between other projects. Anyway, that's how I did it, that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it. No prices revealed... that's for you and the seller to figure out... pay what it's worth to you... OR... what it's worth to keep someone else from getting it! ;D
Doran gets the lucky dog pass on his cover ;D. Two reasons... good friend, and good guy. That goes a long way with me. Plus, I think he likes it some!
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I love my cover, I just don't want to rub it in peoples faces, I absolutely love it. If I ever had to sell the boat, and that's not likely, I'd keep the cover... it will never leave my side.
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I love my cover, I just don't want to rub it in peoples faces, I absolutely love it. If I ever had to sell the boat, and that's not likely, I'd keep the cover... it will never leave my side.
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Heh,heh,heh... that's my boy! ;D
Aside from him being a great guy, I knew Doran would appreciate having it, and would respect it (as much as a flat chunk of fiberglass should be respected... ok, that sounds kinda dumb). So, he got it at $0 profit to me... hmmm... bad business decision on my part! ;D
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So if someone on here happens to stumble upon one in the future, what is the pecking order on here to even be considered as the new owner??
How many CVZ owners are on here that would be fighting over the "I found a bow cover, who wants it" conversation? All hypothetical but just wondering.
Rich
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First come first get. I am an owner of a CVZ, but I haven't even started on the restoration of that boat yet. My theory is if I find one I find one, If I don't I don't. But If I do find one to match your color You will be the first one I contact. I would rather not ruin one that is an original match to some one else's boat by having it re-geld to match mine.
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I appreciate that. Keep in mind, I am doing a full color change, it could be painted pink with house paint with a bad brush and I would be just fine with it. LOL.
Rich
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pay what it's worth to you... OR... what it's worth to keep someone else from getting it! Grin
Good words of advice from a wise man. Been there...Done that!
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I agree with his tactics, have found some crazy good deals on items that were spelled wrong.
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There's an online clothing retailer ... nastygirl.com ... trendy, rocker chick type clothes. Girl got her start by looking up high-end brands like Givenchy, Yves St. Laurent, etc., but only with the misspellings. She figured if someone couldn't spell something like correctly right, they probably didn't really know it's value. She bought an Yves St. Laurent dress for $80, cleaned it, put it on a model and photographed it, sold it on Ebay for $1,000. That one dress started a business that grosses in the millions now ...
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Just talked to a kid in TX with a blue 79 CVZ for sale. No cover but didn't know anything about the boat. I told him about the CVZ, how few were out there, urged him to keep it because he wasn't sure if was wanted to sell or not. I made sure to tell him about both of the websites and invited him to visit and join. By the way, he spelled Glastron wrong, Glasstron. No cover but maybe we have a new member...who knows.
Rich
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There are lots of potential members out there...people who ended up with these classics by some odd or dumb luck situation, and have no idea that there is a large group of us that hold them so dear, and are searching/appreciating them at all times. Of course, the flip side of that is the ones who do a little research, find out they are desireable, and try to put a $10k price tag on a 70's or 80's boat in fair shape. And my favorite... the ones who list any Glastron ever made as a "James Bond" boat. That never gets old! ;D But yes, I have also encouraged numerous people I've come into contact with over the years of involvement with these boats to come join the group. I do tend to "filter" those who I feel might not be a good fit, if you know what I mean.
Good example... when I sold my CVX-18, it went to a local who already had an appreciation for Glastron/Carlson's, as he owned a CV-16 OB. He wanted bigger and faster, and was real happy that a CVX-18 turned up locally. He grabbed it pretty quick. Since then, we've become friends, spent alot of time cruising Glastron/Carlson's on the river together, helping each other on projects getting up to the elbow greased up working on the other's boats, hanging out as couples away from boating, calls, texts, emails, and so on. Great guy. He goes by ShromCVX-18 here. Couldn't be happier that he became a member. He's active here and shares/contributes alot to the group. Good example of how reaching out to potential new members can expand the group, and make it that much better for everyone!
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Thanks for sharing your story Steve ...
I've also found G/C's in the "For Sale" section and spelling not even close to Glastron or Carlson.
It takes time just to find boats that are list right, let alone misspellings and wrong category's.
My drop down menu in Search Tempest is about two feet long ... LOL !
I think new owners of G/C's are amazed at the following of theses' boat ...
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Doran, was just noticing you have my cvz as a 79 on your list, it is actually an 80, just want your list to have the right info.
Rich
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Doran, was just noticing you have my cvz as a 79 on your list, it is actually an 80, just want your list to have the right info.
Rich
I'll update my list... thx
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Rich - Assuming this is the CVZ you found?
$800 Blue/Lt. Blue...probably could be had for $500.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/sdf/boa/3688062653.html (http://dallas.craigslist.org/sdf/boa/3688062653.html)
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I got bait on that hook
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I got bait on that hook
Ok, I'm not sure what that means? You're buying a CVZ Red?
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I am wondering the same.
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I've talked to the fellow, come to a price, my buddy is going to check it out Saturday.