Minnesota Classic Glastron Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hyperacme on July 18, 2013, 01:04:03 PM
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Got gas and fired her up today, noted when I squeezed primer bulb gas was leaking out of sides and screws of fuel pump ...
It was finger tight ... YEEKS !
Started pretty fast and idled down OK ...
Good water pressure, 10 psi revved up a bit and 5 psi at idle.
Fire extinguisher is most likely from 1976 and I need a new one ...
Time to enjoy ... I hope ... LOL
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U GONNA WATER TEST IT BEFORE SATURDAY ?
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No ... But I am bringing a "Tow Rope" ... LOL
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Knowing you Gregg, everything will go just fine!
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Now that's a good lookin boat!
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Now that's a good lookin boat!
And now she's SOLID too! ;)
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Yes it is. Cant wait for the results from the weekend!!
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Got a brand new boat there Gregg. Looking forward to the Glastron river trip on Saturday.
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Now that's a good lookin boat!
And now she's SOLID too! ;)
I concur. I felt the difference 'tween soggy & solid first time I cracked the throttle on the 153. Best of luck on the re-maiden voyage Gregg!
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Looks great! How come the fuel pump was loose? Did you do something to it or did it rattle loose?
You shouldn't have to worry about getting towed. You did nothing to the motor internally, unless some of my wiren falls apart. ;D
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Ya ... More of a weeping/bubbling then a leak.
I never touched it ...
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With all the jarring of waves on a boat, good advice would be to check the tightness of every screw and bolt on the boat and motor every year. I don't but I should.
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The ol' V-156 got every nut & bolt checked twice a year ...
And even that wasn't enough !
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Gregg nice water pressure gage, looks like it would have matched the gages in my CVX16 perfectly. Did you paint the center cap on your steering wheel? Good luck on your first outing, hope the boat runs/works good for you. Time to enjoy it!
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" looks like it would have matched the gages in my CVX16 perfectly "
Yes ... It would have ... LOL
Still kick myself for not buying that CVX ...
Thanks Kip !
No ... Had to blow picture up to see it, must have been angle of sun/camera/me ...
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And some flake p0rn ...
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Very very sharp looking boat!! :)
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Can't wait to see it on the water Gregg!
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Thanks Jim ...
Picture's make it look better then real life ... But she shine's pretty good in the sun ...
" Can't wait to see it on the water Gregg! "
Me too !
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That is one seriously good looking craft. Curious, does the FG in your registration mean "Fast Glastron", Fast Glas', Formidible Glastron?(trying to keep it clean, I had other ideas) Anyway, good luck, sounds like you got the bugs out.
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Joe (Ferguson Poole Inc ) posted this on CGOA site ...
http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5545&start=100 (http://www.classicglastron.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5545&start=100)
From Joe ...
Hi Gregg,
The tilt pin bolt and nylon lock nut can be removed, and left-out permanently if wanted, to achieve greater tuck-under. The factory ships the outboard with the bolt to protect in the case of installation onto a hull which could be dangerous with full tuck-under.
Your rig looks real sharp.
Regards,
Joe
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It limits how far motor will tuck under ... installed wedges will give me more tuck under then I had before
Any thoughts on removal ?
Test and see what happen's ?
Do you have one Ross ?
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Gregg I would want maximum negative trim if it were my boat. Your motor is pretty much the same thing I think as what was on my CVX16 and I don't remember it hqving that pin installed. Still if it makes the boat do funny things on plane then that's not good either.
i guess i would test and see what happens.
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I " Believe " it limit's how much or how little the motor will trim in ...
Bad picture ... But it is on the second hole out from transom and looks like it (tilting part of motor) come's down and stops at the pin in question.
Our motors should have had same tilt & trim and transom bracket Kip ...
Might try removing it if take off is weird/bad ...
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I " Believe " it limit's how much or how little the motor will trim in ...
Bad picture ... But it is on the second hole out from transom and looks like it (tilting part of motor) come's down and stops at the pin in question.
Our motors should have had same tilt & trim and transom bracket Kip ...
Might try removing it if take off is weird/bad ...
Hmmm I'm not sure. I'll look
Wouldn't negative trim push the nose in the water? What am I missing?
Just checked and yes I have one and its in the same hole as yours.
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My unused 1988 115 HP Mercury came without a pin, meaning that the motor could really be tucked in. But I bought a pin so that when one accelerates from a start, the angle is just where you want it - the boat does not pitch up or down.
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Negative trim should help any boat get out of the hole faster with less bow rise. Yes it pushes the bow down because it is lifting the stern. Their is no negative to negative trim!........LOL One of the reasons i'm putting an Alpha series drive in my CVX18
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One of the reasons i'm putting an Alpha series drive in my CVX18
Is yours ready yet Kip? Red Wing's getting close!
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Doran sent you a PM
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The Nightmare is officially over ...
Hydraulic steering is everything it's said to be ... Works great !
Full load of fuel ...
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Lite load of fuel ...
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Gregg sounds like everything went as planned and the boat preformed and ran great! The NIGHTMARE is definitely over. You got to be happy with 54.5 MPH for a top speed. Good to hear you were rewarded with all the hard work and money you put into the boat.
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54.5 MPH is to fast for a CV & ME !
... LOL
It wasn't even the perfect chop for top speed, so might have a little more in her ...
You have to let off slow from that speed or ya get a roll/chime walk, helped to trim in a little ... then back down throttle ...
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Holy Cow, Gregg. That's great!
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Some other thoughts/problems/ideas ....
Lost one rivet when I went to get gas, on corner trim piece and lost one on transom "wrap around" trim piece on river.
None felt "loose" when installed ? Maybe larger rivets ?
Got about a cup of water in hull, I remove bilge drain plug to try to grind some fiberglass out for better under floor drainage.
Sealant didn't rip or tear so I thought it would seal ... I'll redo the 5200 on drain plug.
I did some full throttle take offs from a dead stop and wedges/full tuck in seem to be OK ... She jumps out of the hole just fine.
I'll try messin' with it some other day ... I prefer slower take off ... Easier on boat/motor .
When looking at boat from rear ... My trim tab is all the way to the left, which has not been changed from last years "Super secret" prop testing on "Lake XX" ...LOL
Talking with the guys before we launched, every ones else's is to the right ?
Miss. river isn't a great place to just jump out and make changes ... Most places are clay/slimy muck/takes half an hour to get off your feet ... YUCKY stuff ...
I need more seat time ... Above 50 mph boat needs your FULL ATTENTION !
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One other thing ...
I would like to "THANK" every one who helped me along the way !
With out your help ... The CV would still be sitting in the garage in pieces ...
You guys are the BEST !
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when do you put in the Hot Foot and solid mounts?
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Do they make solid mounts for the newer Merc's ?
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I don't know, maybe not, But they do make hot foots. I found out with my FireFlite, when it starts bouncing around, I'm not fast enough to have my hands everywhere at the same time. Of course for a "pleasure boat" cruise control is nice. It looks really good Gregg, I'm happy for you.
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Gregg, I believe that the trim tab adjusted to the left as viewed from behind is correct. That is the way mine is also. Must be the props we are running as both the Laser II and the Raker have high rake. In fact, I am thinking of mating a larger fin on my existing trim tab base.
I started yesterday's trip with the trim tab to the right, but quickly found out it should be to the left, and switched to the left at the launching dock at St. Paul Park, along with changing props. Think my tachometer reads incorrectly at times, as it was reading 6,000 RPM yesterday at times.
Your boat is at a great angle going full speed with much of the boat out of the water. Congratulations on all the things that have gone right for you.
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Dave ...
Ya thing's went surprisingly well for first time out !
Only small problems that will be easy to fix ...
Jerry ...
Because of hull/floor design, a hot foot would almost have to be mounted in center of boat. Better then half of foot room is the hull ...
Would have to use left foot to operate it ... NOT a option in my book !
Believe me Jerry ... I'm paying attention at any thing over 50 mph !
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Congrats on the haulin azz relaunch of your CV!! She is looking good!
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Gregg, here are the two trim tabs I hope to weld together to eliminate the steering torque from the prop. (first and second picture)
OMC does not seem to make a extra large area of fin like Mercury Quicksilver (third picture)
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I hate saying this to you Dave, but good luck, I have the enlarged tab on Phoenix Rising and it is adjusted all the way left and I still have torque steer with both stainless steel props I have used. I am starting to think that power steering is going to be the only fix possible. Or just dealing with it.
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I am going to give it a try. I have the no feed back Teleflex steering, and have no steering wheel pull to right or left, but want to take some strain off the steering system. Possible answer is a tab on the skeg.
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With my old steering set up, I could feel the prop/motor/boat going through the different stages of torque steer as speed's increased ...
Now it feels the same from 5 mph up to 50 mph ...
At 30 to 40 mph I can take my hand off steering wheel and boat will track straight for quite a distance before wind and waves start to take it off course.
I'm just looking to fine tune steering to take as much strain off motor/steering system as possible ...
At 50 + mph is my trim tab even in the water ?
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"At 50 + mph is my trim tab even in the water ?"
That is why I am going with the extra long, extra deep fin.
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HOLY CRAP !
Look's like there was more then a cup of water in drain bowel !
Forgot my hull is open to drain bowel now ...
YEEKS !
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I had alot of water drain from the drain plug after the 80 mile Mississippi run, which I attributed to a 25 year old drain plug with hardened rubber and the ribs worn down. I tilt my boat with the trailer wheel fully extended on a step stool for two to three days to make sure all the water gets drained. Went to Hannay's and bought a new drain plug today. They would not take the old one in trade. Talked to Joe and Don at Hannay's. While waiting for Joe, I got trapped in the Red Dragon Restaurant buffet for lunch.
Also went to White Bear Boat Works for a little touch up on the gelcoat from Mike.
Now off to the car mechanic.
These days off are hard.
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And expensive !
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I wouldn't worry about a little water after a hard day on the river like we had.
You are going to get a little water from spray comming in between the hull joint under the rub rail.
I bet if you just let it sit at the dock it would be dry inside.
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I had alot of water drain from the drain plug after the 80 mile Mississippi run, which I attributed to a 25 year old drain plug with hardened rubber and the ribs worn down. I tilt my boat with the trailer wheel fully extended on a step stool for two to three days to make sure all the water gets drained. Went to Hannay's and bought a new drain plug today. They would not take the old one in trade. Talked to Joe and Don at Hannay's. While waiting for Joe, I got trapped in the Red Dragon Restaurant buffet for lunch.
Also went to White Bear Boat Works for a little touch up on the gelcoat from Mike.
Now off to the car mechanic.
These days off are hard.
Don't forget you had your 2 sons in the boat and additional gas cans in the rear. All it takes are a few splashes into the splashwell and further.
Drain plugs are cheap. I keep at least one extra on board.
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Believe you are right Ross. After solo runs on White Bear Lake, there is no or very little water. With all the weight in back with the fuel and one son, the Rake prop labored to get on plane. I have heard that before with the Raker prop - not very good hole shot. I really do not care, as I go for top speed. Greggs Laser II seems good for getting up on plane. It is a good skiing prop, able to pull skiers out of the water fast. Laser II was my ski prop with the V-153.
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Put boat in water and checked drain plug ... could see a small amount of water seeping in with in a few min.
The 4200 I used was starting to get rubbery, maybe starting to set up ...
This time only about a cup ... Tipped hull up all the way when I got home ...
River was crazy rough today, only got 53.8 mph.
Put trim tab in center ... got torque steer at high speed ... maybe just boat being pushed by prop ?
Put it to the right and it worked good ...
I had it to the left last time out.
Thanks Rich !
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Gregg, could you take a picture of the trim tab position on the Mariner?
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It's on the first "notch" to the right.
Was WAY to rough today for any top speed runs ...
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Thanks for the picture Gregg. Because your motor is raised higher than mine, you may not have as much steering torque. I am having the big OMC trim tab cut down at work next week. Your top MPH numbers and mine are just about the same. Interesting.
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Well Dave looks like you are going to raise your motor or buy a bigger one.
You can't let Gregg keep up to you, Can you?
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If you lift it Dave ...Check for splash well drainage first !
Your guys a work could make you some 1/4 spacer plates.
It made a HUGE change in speed and handling on my CV.
Cheapest 2 mph gain you can make !
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Guess I am changing my thinking about a raised motor. Just want to make sure that the motor gets an adequate supply of water under all conditions and that the transom holes for the bolts are water tight. Also I need some feedback on how high to safely raise the motor in terms of calvitation plate above the bottom of the hull. Now plate even with the hull bottom. Raising one hole would put it at 3/4 inch above and rasing two holes would put it at 1 1/2 inches.
May put off this project until next spring.
Also thinking about buying a 23" SRX OMC prop.
I enjoy finding ways to make the boat faster by the selection of prop, moving fuel weight from the bow tank to tanks on the back seat, raising the motor, not to be faster than anyone else, but just to bring out the best in the boat and motor.
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YEP ... Would be a good idea to get a water PSI gauge ...
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Gregg, what is the distance from your cavitation plate to the bottom of the hull? Another trick is to plug the top or top two water intake holes, and/or ream the bottom ones larger.
A water pressure gauge would be great. I could remove the existing trim tilt angle gauge, which I never use (the rearview mirror or the sound of the motor is better), and install a matching water pressure gauge.
I purchased a new 23" SRX prop, probably more effectively utilized on a raised motor than my current motor height. The purchase did not meet with too much resistance from Joy since I sold a 2-blade bronze prop two days ago and have two props for sale.
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1 inch ...
I still get good water pressure at and above 50 mph.
I removed my trim angle gauge and put the PSI gauge in ...
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I'll have to see what makes more sense, one hole or two holes up. Don Larkey or Jerry Sellner would have some good insights.
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Check with others but my experience tells me the higher the mount the less bow lift. The bass boats rely on the rear center of gravity to raise it. But the well designed ones have a hook about three or four feet forward. My 120 (big prop) was ok with the transom mount 1" up. When I put the 140 on it needed to be lower. So I spaced it 1" back.