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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Retro Performance on December 15, 2013, 05:59:39 PM
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Would this event mark the end of an era? The question is what year was this?
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1984?
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It was not 1984........heres a clue, identify the year of the truck and boat in this ad from the same magazine and you will have the answer.
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I would say 1981
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I would say 1981
Considering the company started in '56 ...
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Interesting Math but we will call that a winner.........I gotta get me one of those Bass Boats
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That explains that really cool looking Starcraft model that came out around the early to mid 80's - don't have time to look up a picture right now, but I remember there was a red model and a blue model...somewhat narrow body with outriggers on each side towards the back which made it into kind of a modified tunnel hull if memory serves (seems to me I had heard or read that Art was involved with that one).
I was in tech school at the time and using my GT150 a lot - but there was a Starcraft dealer near the school where I found the literature (probably still have it somewhere) and I thought that looked like such a cool boat!! :)
Never saw one in person though...I wonder if they handled and preformed as well as they looked. In a real quick search, I did find this:
http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?104878-1985-20-5-foot-Starcraft-tunnel (http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?104878-1985-20-5-foot-Starcraft-tunnel)
Oh my gosh - look who that post was from...
Dang it - now I can't stop - didn't have time to start searching on this... LOL Anyway, found this too for a little more information (I guess they looked cooler than they actually preformed - too bad, seemed like a nice idea): http://www.screamandfly.com/archive/index.php/t-5159.html (http://www.screamandfly.com/archive/index.php/t-5159.html)
There's the literature picture I remember (lone behold in my second favorite Switzer stuff too yet)!! http://www.freewebs.com/switzercraftreunionregattas/apps/photos/photo?photoid=106406012 (http://www.freewebs.com/switzercraftreunionregattas/apps/photos/photo?photoid=106406012) :)
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I passed on one (cheap) on eBay about two years ago and have regretted it. Not for a speed machine, just as a show/pleasure piece. Shoulda stuck it in the back yard and forgot about it till later. Live and learn. I think I even low balled him real bad too... shoulda just paid the man and grabbed it... oh well. Probably don't need yet another project waiting on me.
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I did find kind of an interesting "promo" video out on YouTube - although real low quality video at best - but kind of reminded me of some of the Glastron James Bond videos: http://youtu.be/cKYSlNwh5eI (http://youtu.be/cKYSlNwh5eI)
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There's a dude restoring a HPV 164 over on Iboats. I've tried to coax him over here, but no luck yet.
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We were handling Starcraft at that time.....I am sure I have some Brochures etc..........This is really the Bassboat I want with the cool seats........Anybody got a nice one they want to trade for a Hydrostream?
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I was doing some research on StarCraft's CPS boats and found this ...
Looks like your Magnum missile Don.
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAMNpic%203/starcraft1_zps8d0bd9b9.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/CGOAMNpic%203/starcraft1_zps8d0bd9b9.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAMNpic%203/starcraft2_zps6c3e7d4e.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/CGOAMNpic%203/starcraft2_zps6c3e7d4e.jpg.html)
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Cgoamn Trivia question number two..........Who signed the attached photo (what Role)?
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I go with the simplest answer
Stunt man in the GT150 for the Jump.
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Winner
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The Pilot/Co Pilot of this extremely nice CVX16? OK I just liked the photo and wanted to post it.
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David what happened to Gregg ?
Did he lip off to you and tell you his cv is nice than yours and will go faster?
And now he is fish bait!
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Winner
Not so fast. While Paul Weston did perform stunts in the movie. Jerry Comeaux is said to've done the jump. According to Guiness World Book, etc.
However there are some that say a kid by the name of John Koerner from Tulane U drove the boat. Go figure.
edit. Koerner was one of the geeks who designed the launch ramp so's I reckon it's possible?
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Yeah, I wondered too.
IMDB.com does not list Vic Armstrong as a stunt driver, only a Stunt Double. Jerry Comeaux is listed as a Stunt Coordinator and Stunt Boat Driver. Other Stunt Boat Drivers are credited as: John Koerner, Murray Cleveland and Eddie Smith?
I'd put stock into the Guiness Record Book listing as well?
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I want that pad on my GT160.
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Other Stunt Boat Drivers are credited as: John Koerner, Murray Cleveland and Eddie Smith
The plot thickens: Cleveland & Smith are both black & I'm purty sure a white man jumped the boat. (No offense!) So that leaves us with Koerner, or Weston , or Armstrong.
Or my personal favorite: Jerry Comeaux
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Jeff, I understand the sequence of events - first picture Gregg in boat, second picture, no Gregg. These were taken at White Bear Lake with Mr. and Mrs. Retro. with Mrs. Retro taking the pictures.
The second picture was taken with the SRX prop churning up the water in a show-no-go slow turn for Mrs. Retro. The over the exhaust hub prop was not biting yet at this slow speed.
Whether Gregg or I go faster is a toss up at this point. Gregg gained alot of speed by mounting his motor higher. I may have to do the same to keep up with him.
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Thanks for the correction on the driver......I was confused by the attached.
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Gregg.....Thanks for making the photo visible, it was the attached writing that confused me........well at least there is no confusion regarding Davids CVX16 and who drove it etc. ?????
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I asked the same question a few months back Don ...
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=4775.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=4775.0)
" I'd put stock into the Guiness Record Book listing as well? "
That would be the best source ...
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Fwiw y'all need to pick up the Live And Let Die two disc 'ultimate' edition.
No self respecting Glastron owner should be without one.
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Not sure what it says ...
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Not sure what it says ...
To Art Carlson. Picture taking filming of world record jump. Thanks, your friend Peter H?
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That looks like a pump boat.........Is it a GT 150 with an Outboard?
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Looks like a CVX20 Jet...
Maybe ..
Was searching last night for .... YA ... You guessed it ... Glastron/Carlson ...
Found a thread on Scream & Fly, about pictures on Art Carlson's office wall.
I'm not a member so couldn't see picture, but sounded like some cool (old) stuff ...
http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?13487-Art-Carlson (http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?13487-Art-Carlson)
Can some one save and post pictures ?
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A lot of race boats, non flying though.
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Some saved pictures. My judgment as to the better ones.
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More pictures.
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Mercruiser trivia......Mercruiser used a GM 292......a 283........a 327......and a 427..... The question is what Model/Horsepower was each........Think Old
Attached 13 Pacecraft......about as much fun as you can have with a 3 cylinder
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The GM 292 I believe was a 200 hp in-line 6 used only in 1969, basically a bored out version of the GM 250 in-line 6 which was rated 155-165 hp.
The GM 283 I think is a 4.3 liter V6 rated from 190 to 220 hp.
The 327 if I remember was used on early Jet drives, probably around 230 hp.
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4.3 standard GM 4300 V6 OMC
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/50sflash/0726_006.jpg)
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Hey Don, Are you able to make it to breakfast Saturday?
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=2a5b98b031a4e29e0aa3e375f1f475da&topic=4941.msg65473 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=2a5b98b031a4e29e0aa3e375f1f475da&topic=4941.msg65473)
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Mrs Retro and I were out of town..........The Mercruiser trivia didn't do so well...........How bout this question, What happens if you go around a corner too fast with a brand new pontoon on a crank up trailer?
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Ooppssiiee, can you say "avoidable disaster"? I think you can! :'(
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The boat was only about 5 minutes from the store (just picked up) all the hooks on the tie downs were straightened out. I had an employee flip one on a freeway ramp years ago and when we got there he said....."I was going real slow and a gust of wind just picked it up and flipped it" LOL
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Start of a bad day !
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Two people at work were towing two snowmobiles in a covered trailer years ago and the trailer turned over. Hours of securing parts for the snowmobiles.
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Really very light damage to the pontoon.....mainly just scratches.....It was like spring today....looking forward to prop testing......David, what do you think for a pitch on this? Hull weight is just under 400 pounds, looking for top speed.....
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A 24" or 26" Mercury chopper.
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Good call Dave. Imo 24 might be a tad short & a 27 just a lil too tall. Then again considering the light hull, backset/jackplate, etc. It might turn a 27 just fine. Bet RP winds up closer to 27?
Speaking of poontoon disasters, this one's hard to beat. Drunk dragged it fer quite awhile. Reckon he thought it was gonna right itself ...?
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Thought I would put my experiment/question here to avoid hijack.......Todays question is.....will/can fluid (in this case 2 stroke oil) seep past rings over time. This powerhead has good compression and leakdown numbers.
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I would think ... Yes
Over time.
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I will report later today how it is doing but........it looks like it may already be going down.....
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Deep creep (seafoam in a spray can) will drain/leak over time.
My motor has good compression.
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We use to use Marvel Mystery Oil to free up stuck motor, so some will go past the rings, but you're more likely to get hydro-lock than anything
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Next question.......What happens if I hit a rock with a solid hub stainless prop?
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OUCH !
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A new era has started............The question......what year is this, Art Carlson has now made a statement at Starcraft.
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I would guess 1985 ... give or take a year or two ...
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It looks like fluid (in this case two stroke oil) does leak past the rings but slowly........I would say about 1/2 has "drained" so far in the amount of time between posts. I will try a different (Thinner) fluid in the next cylinder and see if it goes faster. Right now I would say yes fluid can seep past a piston/rings.........now we would have to add that there are single ring pistons...... two ring pistons..etc but I suspect all would allow fluid to seep by to some degree.
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It is betwen 1983 and 1987........we sold some of the CSS series boats........0 of the CPS series
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There was a CPS 20 outboard for sale at a dealer in Big Lake or Monticello about 6 to 8 years ago.
Red with out a motor.
Was "for sale" for a long time ...
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not much oil left this am.................I put oil in the second one before I left.....will see what it looks like when I get home tonight.
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Ok just checked #2 and it is almost all drained now.......I used oil in both cylinders because this powerhead goes back on its midsection this spring although I do not have a hull to put it on right now. But , now that I have tried two cylinders I am going to say fluid (in this case two stroke oil) will/does seep past piston rings in a healthy engine........I would think that water would get by easier because it is not as "sticky" as oil?????? Any thoughts?
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subscribed:)
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The year was 1984......Not so sure how they performed but I like that front veiw photo.........
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My old engine builder Jack Wheeler use to say if ya throw a bucket of water at a door, how much goes through the key hole? Oil can seep through the ring end gap in time, so may water, but if you were getting the amount of water in the oil to notice you would need a constant supply of water seeping. You really can't get water in the crankcase past the rings.
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Can it go past the valves or are you saying it is impossible to get water in the oil from a combustion chamber? I think I heard once that a blown Head gasket could cause coolent/water in the oil.......I think they were claiming it was from coolent/water entering the combustion chamber.........And that Mercruiser service manuel seems to say the same thing? I am thinking I remember a 3.0 Volvo we had in with water intrusion....had a big overheat, sent the head in for test and mill, new head gasket and no more water intrusion......I will look for the paperwork on that one and see if my memory is right.
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There is no direct connection from the combustion chamber to the oil pan. Even a blown head gasket will only put water in the pan if it blows next to the oil passage to the rockers. You're more likely to get oil in the water, because oil pressure is higher than water pressure.
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On one of my dads old boats that had a 4.3L V6 one of the exhaust manifolds failed and water came in through the exhaust, into the engine, locked it up, also got milky oil. New exhaust manifold, few oil changes, and it was good to go. So I think it's possible to get water in oil through the cylinders.
Most of the time when a head gasket fails or heads warp you get combustion going into the cooling system (high to low pressure). Then you get air pockets in the cooling system which causes overheating.
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I looked at that repair order...............heavy overheat....had water in #4 cylinder and crankcase..........new gaskets on head and manifold......head tested and flattened ...............reassemble and all good................I am going with it is possible to get water in the oil thru a combustion chamber
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I haven't had much luck with a simple oil change removing water from a crankcase, until I tried using isopropyl in the oil.
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ageed...at the least it takes multiple changes ...........I have had some insurance salvage boats from the coast......engines submerged in salt water......I fill them with diesel(completely) and let em sit for a couple days, then clean them up and get them running.
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This is an article from a monthly magazine sent to dealers from one of our engine manufacturers......it talks about fuel (or contaminents in the fuel) on the cylinder walls migrating past the rings.....
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAMNpic4/makingoil1_zpse3fb9d97.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/CGOAMNpic4/makingoil1_zpse3fb9d97.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAMNpic4/makingoil2_zpsb4cb93be.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/CGOAMNpic4/makingoil2_zpsb4cb93be.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAMNpic4/makingoil3_zps41705856.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/CGOAMNpic4/makingoil3_zps41705856.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/CGOAMNpic4/makingoil4_zpsf10adb28.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/CGOAMNpic4/makingoil4_zpsf10adb28.jpg.html)
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Ok so its not a Glastron..........Anybody ID this cool ride?
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The one on the bottom?
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/50sflash/20140304171840_CorvetteSinkholeExtraction27_zps6bfcb574.jpg)
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Not a Corvette........The year is 1964......I do think some of the lines of this ride made their way over to the Corvette within a few years......
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How about a '64 Pontiac Banshee?
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/50sflash/1964_pontiac_banshee_corvette_2_zpsf681e514.jpg)
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Thats It.......A John Delorean creation made to go against the Mustangs..never went to production as GM thought it would hurt Vette sales......a few years later Delorean tried to ressurect it but instead was made to work off the Chevrolet Camaro.........and Viola.......The Firebird was born.....Taillights on the Banshee look familiar?
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Here is the 1988 version of the Banshee. I hauled it around the country to several auto shows back when I transported concept and show cars.
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a494/glastronjohn18/1988_Pontiac_Banshee_concept_07_zps3f242e9b.jpg) (http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/glastronjohn18/media/1988_Pontiac_Banshee_concept_07_zps3f242e9b.jpg.html)
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Now that looks Delorean.
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Now that looks Delorean.
It may look futuristic, look close and you won't see any door handles. Most concept cars had an electric switch or manual cable release hidden somewhere, most often in the front fender well. The Banshee had neither. There was a small hole on the top of the outside door panel opposite where you would find the inside lock button. To open the door just insert a common nail in the hole and push down. Futuristic on the outside, Fred Flintstone on the inside.
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Was this newer version a mid engine? I am guessing Delorean was not in on this one as he had moved on to DMC by then?
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The one on the bottom?
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/50sflash/20140304171840_CorvetteSinkholeExtraction27_zps6bfcb574.jpg)
Almost swallowing priceless corvettes shows a certain sense of style. But here in FL a sinkhole don't count less'n it eats a house and/or human ...
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Was this newer version a mid engine?
Not a mid but front engine V8. Anytime I seen this car the engine barely ran it was so loaded up. Just needed a good romp down the strip to clean it out. If I remember it had a 5 speed manual trans and enough buttons on the dash to keep a jet jockey happy. Although being a concept none of them worked, they were just a bunch of dummy buttons.