Minnesota Classic Glastron Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: UKMike on December 10, 2014, 05:37:14 PM
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Hey all,
I'm new to the board so I'm pleased to meet ya! Would someone mind advising where I might get some replacement stern rails and brackets for ma CVX 16 1987 Blue V6 2000L 135, I've looked everywhere but can't find anything anywhere, can't even find any repos. :-(
Would also be interested in finding a read step and wooden strips for the stern.
Br
UKMike
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Welcome.
I hope you can find the trim pieces you need, keep updating a post in the classifieds every couple of months, somebody might find a hull being scrapped out. You are in the right place though for your best chances of finding the parts.
I'm assuming your in the UK, where? So just how fast does that light boat go with that motor?
David
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Welcome to the forum Mike !
Look here ...
http://www.tibus-boote.de/index.html (http://www.tibus-boote.de/index.html)
Watch eBay (USA) for parts and parts boats ...
Do searches on Craigslist using "Searchtempest" ....
http://www.searchtempest.com/ (http://www.searchtempest.com/)
I search for "glastron glasstron Carlson" ... see pictures for setting for best results.
Find some one selling a CVX for cheap or parting out and see if he will sell and ship them to you ...
One member is looking for just a CVX hull, if he finds a parts boat he might sell you his.
Another member has a parts boat ... But you would have to contact him to find out if he has ... and is willing to sell and ship parts ...
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=5672.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=5672.0)
Think you can get teak wood strips from any large lumber yard ... Wait till you see the price per foot of teak .... $$$$$$ !
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Hi David,
Many thanks and I'm about 50k south of London although I keep her moored down on the South coast near Bournemouth. She has been redone with as much classic and original kit as possible so far and even without some inner panels so she is really light, I've had 62 MPH out of her on a calm day but I'm in the process of refining and refurbing the engine at the moment ready for spring. I will post some pics of her when I get some more time :-)
Thanks for the welcome.
Br
Mike
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Hi Hyperacme,
Many thanks for the links and advice, I was looking through your posts last night and found some very helpful posts, all very much appreciated and I will do as suggested. I have been searching for months now and couldn't find any such links, so it just goes to show that if you get the right forum with the right and best people, it's all possible :-) Thanks again.
Br
Mike
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You could ask a member with a CVX to get some measurements and pictures of there bars and find a local metal fabrication shop to cut and bend aluminum tubing for you.
You would need to find the end cap / deck fittings to mount them.
Most deck stuff was used on more then one model and even on other brands of boats from the same time period.
Maybe some place like Great Lakes Skipper . Overton or West Marine
http://greatlakesskipper.com/ (http://greatlakesskipper.com/)
http://www.overtons.com/ (http://www.overtons.com/)
http://www.westmarine.com/ (http://www.westmarine.com/)
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Great, thanks again Gregg I will ask the questions, I already have the bars and the couplings but unfortunately they are in very bad condition as the boat has been used in salt water, she's had a total Paint job but the old fittings have been refitted so I want to renew them so that I get the look and the longevity out of her :-)
Thanks again
Best regards,
Mike
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The money and time you spend to find used ones and have them shipped might be close to what it will cost to have them made locally.
Plus your getting new, unscratched parts.
We NEED pictures of your CVX ! ... LOL
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;) Will have to dig out some more pics from the PC 8)
I have a video at 50MPH on a rough fall day somewhere ;D
Also just wanted to say that I really appreciate all ya help. I'm a dual citizen as my family came from the great lakes around the Manitoba area so the boats are in the blood :P
Br
Mike
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Awesome! Nothing like a little boat on BIG water!
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This is a bit off topic, but my bucket list includes the Falkirk Wheel Lift in...amazing engineering using some really basic principles to accomplish lifting heavy objects with very little force!
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Thanks Jason,
And you're right, I love the big water on a hot sunny day, there's nothing more challenging than pushing your baby to her limits, esspecially when you have no control over the outcome. It's a real fine line between pleasure and fear and I respect anyone who can race their pride and joy in such conditions.
It still makes my heart go into overdrive every time I do it :-)
The Carlson is a fantastic design, I love it and I've never had or found a better designed boat.
Br
Mike
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Boat looks good Mike. Welcome aboard.
Ya I'll bet it chit's n git's with that Black Max. Very cool.
re. Rail fittings: Problem with the originals is they were made outa that crappy 'zamac'. Even if you're lucky enough to find a decent original, remember it's made outa the same stuff.
"Rayar" over on CGOA has machined horn grilles, etc outa aluminum. Thinkin mebbe we should lobby him for some rail mounts?
Running in big open water will definitely increase the pucker factor. My greatest fear with these style boats is stuffing the nose. Gotta keep a flexible hand on the throttle and be able to read the waves?
I routinely ran the 153 through some purty snotty stuff in the Gulf. Fast. Fast meaning 50 or so. But with that hull there was far less risk of nose-diving.
Ya Adrenaline is great! And it's free! Well kinda ...
But I digress.
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Hey Doug,
Thanks :) Digress? :P that looks cooler than my Cool-Ice box and OMG how did you not Butt leak..... LOL
I would have needed to change the carpet after only leaving 3 inches in the surf... OMG OMG OMG... ;D
What prop did you have? I want one :)
Br Mike
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Hey Gregg,
We don't have the manufacturing capability any more here in the UK, we know you guys do in the states but we find it really difficult or impossible to get basic boat parts reproduced here. It's even more difficult to reproduce OLD (but best) US designed parts, especially when you guys use the wrong measurements! LOL ;D
We don't have foundry's here anymore really, everything is now imported and it's a darn shame. I grew up using a beautiful burgundy Glastron as my holiday boat 40 odd years ago, and we could always repo parts then, but now the re-engineering and re-design of parts is unachievable effectively.
It's a dying art, which I find upsetting...
So, I need to kit my boat out with the best of "ALL AMERICAN" parts. This way, I honour the designers, builders and the people from all over the world who love the Glastron brand, (Just like me). ;D
Br
UKMike
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Hey Doug,
Thanks :) Digress? :P that looks cooler than my Cool-Ice box and OMG how did you not Butt leak..... LOL
I would have needed to change the carpet after only leaving 3 inches in the surf... OMG OMG OMG... ;D
What prop did you have? I want one :)
Br Mike
Probly running my SRX chopper in that pic. Great prop for bow lift. Obviously ... But that hull really didn't need much inspiration. It liked to fly the bow. Regardless of prop.
I 'member the first time I saw a pic of it at speed it scared me. I said, "That freakin much is outa the water?!" But I got used to it ...
I'd trade anything to have that boat back. It was bad azz.
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NICE !
So you have XR2 stickers / cowling on your 135 Merc ...
Pop up cleats are SWEET !
What's the story on the Carlson emblem on the side ?
I've never seen one's like that ...
Maybe Aaron (Carlson_from_Germany) knows of or can help find some one or a company closer to you, that can cut / bend hand rails.
Maybe go with stainless steel ?
Never heard of 'zamac' ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamak)
Keep an eye on the GCOTD thread for cheap or parts out CVX's ...
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=1077.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=1077.0)
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Hi Gregg,
Thanks a lot :D she really is a beauty considering her age.......
Yes the previous owner added them all, she's only had one previous owner from new :-) so she's been looked after well. The emblem was laser cut and specially designed I'm told and it was done to add a little extra, also apparently the previous owner couldn't get the original badges.
I will ask Aaron as the duty we have to pay to import is very expensive, you can add another %45 onto the gross costs of anything we buy from the states, which seems a little unfair as the products are so well made. >:(
I will add some pics of the engine as soon as I get the chance, she's quite clean for 20+ year old engine, she runs like a dream but going to de-carbonate her before spring. Any suggestions on what chemicals to use? I was looking at the Mercury tuneup powertune as I was told that stuff is amazing.
Br
Mike
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I use Seafoam (spray) because it's easy to find, but Mercury powertune would work ...
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I willowy some pics of the engine as soon as I get the chance, she's quite clean for 20+ year old engine, she runs like a dream but going to de-carbonate her before spring. Any suggestions on what chemicals to use? I was looking at the Mercury tuneup powertune as I was told that stuff is amazing.
I think this is what you want: Just add a tablespoon or so to every tank of gas.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-Ring-Free-Fuel-Additive-12oz-Boat-Outboard-Motor-/131351138847?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item1e9523521f&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-Ring-Free-Fuel-Additive-12oz-Boat-Outboard-Motor-/131351138847?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item1e9523521f&vxp=mtr)
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This CVX has been "For Sale" for a long time ...
He might sell railings for the right amount ...
Glastron CVX 16 with Johnson 135 - $700 (Troy, NY)
http://glensfalls.craigslist.org/boa/4773012696.html (http://glensfalls.craigslist.org/boa/4773012696.html)
(http://images.craigslist.org/00k0k_awHx6wDyYX6_600x450.jpg)
(http://images.craigslist.org/00h0h_kZAwsBEHTK_600x450.jpg)
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Thanks guys for all the advice, I really appreciate it :D
Br
Mike
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Carlson Glastron 16 ft speedboat project - $550 (nw gainesville)
http://gainesville.craigslist.org/bod/4793607674.html (http://gainesville.craigslist.org/bod/4793607674.html)
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I use Seafoam (spray) because it's easy to find, but Mercury powertune would work ...
Powertune's probly the strongest for a decarb. Lil pricey but got all the good stuff in it. I'm told it's the most effective.
For a fuel additive I use the Seafoam liquid.
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Carlson Glastron 16 ft speedboat project - $550 (nw gainesville)
http://gainesville.craigslist.org/bod/4793607674.html (http://gainesville.craigslist.org/bod/4793607674.html)
Think the one in NY is a better deal. Did you see that oversized Glastron trailer? Plus the 135 had the highest compression heads.
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Great thanks, I've mailed and hopefully they might sell the rails and brackets, if not I think I will ask Aaron if he knows of anywhere closer to me and if not then I might have them made in Stainless :-)
Can't wait till the spring :P it's only a few days now and the days will start getting lighter earlier :-)
Br
Mike
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:)
Some pics for you of my engine, Opinions and suggestions will be warmly appreciated!
It's an old one again but a goody I recon...
Br
Mike
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More ::)
Br
Mike
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Looks good ...
Sea Star steering , Laser II 21P . Motor mounted on middle hole.
Flake looks very nice.
Could you remove, clean, sand & oil teak strips ?
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Thanks Gregg,
Yes that's another job still to be done, and I was wondering if it would be worth replacing the teak strips but I wasn't sure, as its near on impossible to replace that "used look" with new parts. But I hear you, and they do look rather drab. I'm not sure how easy they are to remove from such an old structure, any pointers on how? They look like the original strips...
Br
Mike
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Drill out rivets, looks like edges of wood is ruff, might be able to clean up by sanding, clean wood, oil with teak oil ...
Replace rivets ...
Teak last's forever unless pieces are cracked or broken... Just keep it oiled, two or three times a season.
Teak Care
http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/teak-care.asp (http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/teak-care.asp)
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Teak last's forever unless pieces are cracked or broken... Just keep it oiled, two or three times a season.
Teak Care
http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/teak-care.asp (http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/teak-care.asp)
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I cleaned and oiled my teak and I can tell you that every time my teak gets wet, I'm re-oiling it. It looks great, and I personally wouldn't do it any other way!
Terry
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Replace rivets ...
Or use screws. There's a piece of ply glassed in underneath. That way you can take em off and oil both sides.
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Thanks guys, all helpful stuff ;D I will drill them and then see what I can find, I do have a saw mill near me so maybe they can replace/recut some for me, I can't imagine that will cost more than $100 each side and as you say they last so long it's not that expensive.
The ones currently fitted look like they are varnished, is that normal or do you think someone has done that to make them look newer?
Does anyone know anything about the petrol/water separator filters? I have a black one in the stern bilge area but I can't see any numbers on it, it looks original though, it has a sort of bleed screw/bolt at the top. I'm wondering if I should replace the whole unit or just the canister, what do you guys think?
Br
Mike
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Those are worth saving just drill them out sand them down and stain...I did mine in a few hours.
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Remove, clean and oil them ... If they look ok reuse them .
Can you get a picture of your water separator filters ?
With a 2 stroke motor a water separator filters is a very good idea.
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Thanks 84 Carlson, I will do that...
Gregg, I don't have a pic of the filter as I'm around 90km away from her, so I will take some pics of the W/S filter after Xmas and post here. I did do a search online and the filter looks to be a Mercury one but again it could be anything.
I have just upgraded the petrol pipes for unleaded from the front (oversized) fuel tank to the rear filter, I spoke to Bill Kelly the Mastertech from Mastertech marine www.maxrules.com (http://www.maxrules.com) and I now have better fuel supply to the filter, which is great but I do need to work out if the filter needs replacing.
Once she is complete she will be a great piece of art and a great testament to older engineering. Who needs or wants a new boat! LOL Not me :P
Br
Mike
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Hey Gregg,
Do you have any pics of your beauty you can share here, I'm interested coz your pic in ur profile of her looks fantastic.
Br
Mike 8)
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That filter should be replaced at least once a year Mike, I would definitely put a fresh one on before the season starts. Any water trapped will stay in the filter on those, if it fills up with water it will dump it into the motor = BAD THING! ;)
Just my two cents......
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Thanks Mark,
Didn't realise the w/s was so important. Will defo take your 2 cents worth and replace the whole thing!
I don't know its status, so if it's so important then I will replace, I won't run her again until I have replaced the whole unit. She's an old engine and I can't have her die on me after all the love I've given her... she's my baby :P
Br
Mike
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Thank you for the complement ...
It would not look or run as good, if not for the help of many of our members on this forum.
Links to my CV from day one ...
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=2666.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=2666.0)
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=3611.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=3611.0)
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=4062.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=4062.0)
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=3265.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=3265.0)
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WoW Gregg it looks like you had some work to do when you got her but you sure have done a great job, she looks fantastic, so sleek and smooth, what a fantastic boat! Is your engine a 2 stroke?
Br
Mike
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Yep ... 2 stroke ... 1989 Mariner 115 HP, inline 4cyl. with the 2+2 thing, only two cyls. running until about 2000 rpm's then the other 2 cyls. kick in.
Kind of weird, but seems to work OK, can't be changed because the top two carb's are different then the bottom two carbs ...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/76%20CV16%20blue/oldMerc_zpsa820f339.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/76%20CV16%20blue/oldMerc_zpsa820f339.jpg.html)
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She really looks beautiful Gregg,
I've never heard of that combination on an engine but sort of makes sense and more efficient I would guess, otherwise you would be over fueling on the lower revs like my V6 does until she switches from the idle jets, she uses as much fuel on idle as she does at WOT. Very expensive I can tell you :-(
What size fuel tank do you have and how long does it last?
Br
Mike
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Ehh ... Gregg's boat's okay ...
Just kidding buddy! Heh heh heh. Thanks for the ride! Heck at least yours runs ...
I was lacing a new T-top for a customer on Lemon Bay today. Watching all the boats go merrily by. Considered tying a noose and hanging myself from the frame ... But I got better ...
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Ehh ... Gregg's boat's okay ...
Just kidding buddy! Heh heh heh. Thanks for the ride! Heck at least yours runs ...
I was lacing a new T-top for a customer on Lemon Bay today. Watching all the boats go merrily by. Considered tying a noose and hanging myself from the frame ... But I got better ...
Doug, just be happy it isn't blowing snow and the wind isn't blowing 40 to 50 mph like it is here in Nebraska! I would rather sit and watch boats go by then sit and look at the crappy weather outside here.
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Doug, just be happy it isn't blowing snow and the wind isn't blowing 40 to 50 mph like it is here in Nebraska! I would rather sit and watch boats go by then sit and look at the crappy weather outside here.
I'll say it again: I dunno how y'all do it. Yer a heartier breed than I. Only way they'd ever drag me back to Buffalo is under extradition ...
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This year they would have to bring you in by a dog sled.
Raining and 40 degrees hear right now, but that will change.
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This year they would have to bring you in by a dog sled.
Ya I saw some really cool quadcopter/gopro video from this years blizzard. Purty gnarly. But hey I was there in '77. So you'd have to go a long way to impress me.
Sorry for the thread jack UKMike. It happens ...
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Hey Doug,
No problem at all, it's all good reading ;)
We thought we was going to get the snow a couple of weeks ago, a friend of mine was telling me how bad it was in buffalo, he works for a scientific company working on butanol fuel. I hear it was really bad this year.
Br
Mike
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I mowed my lawn yesterday. Nice and warm here this weekend.
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Nice and warm here this weekend.
I been watchin that. 'Member I were born in Iowa City.
Here we been stuck in a cloudy low of 46/high of 65 mode for about a week. Purty much sucks, imo.
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I mowed my lawn yesterday.
I just got a new lawn guy yesterday matter of fact. Handyman Ed's his handle. But his name's Pete ...?
The previous lawn couple(?) did several lawns on the street. On a per cut basis. So we paid a bill at the end of the month for X amount of cuts.
They recently sent us a letter notifying that because so many other customers were stiffing them they were forced to implement a $75/month flat fee. Paid in advance.
This was met by a resounding "up yours" from me'n the neighbors. Cuz this time'a year it don't need cut but once every few weeks. And I know we all paid our bills. Pissed everybody off
Regardless. Looks like Handyman Ed, er, Pete, is our #1 choice for now. Did a lovely job on my place for $25 bucks, cash, yesterday.
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2+2 ...
Believe it was a "Gimmicks" in the 90's for fuel economy ...
Cadillac had a 4/6/8 motors (NorthStar ?) that would cut out cyls. for better fuel economy ...
Not sure if that was what Mercury was doing it for ?
I have an 18 gal. tank in my bow, I get about 4 mpg.
Your CVX has a better hull design then the CV's have ... The pad makes a HUGE difference in speed and handling ...
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That's a big tank Gregg,
Mine has a 60L tank which doesn't last all that long when opening her up but I recon I get about 6 mpg which I thought was really bad. It is what it is I guess. The hull is really smooth so that doesn't cause any issues, it's probably the weight of the engine that causes the drag. I was reading the other day and the old v6 engine is quite a heavy engine.
Br
Mike
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The 2.0L was / is 378 lbs.
The 2.3L was / is only 358 lbs.
60L equals 15.85 gals.
Do you know how fast you can go (GPS) ?
1988 Mercury brochure ...
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Thanks for that Gregg,
I hadn't realized documents like that were still around, but I'm pleased they are! I have a feeling that the tank is bigger than that but could be wrong, I will measure it when I get the chance. I know she does 62 MPH confirmed on GPS but in sure in the right conditions I could push a little more out of her. She's got such a wide trim range it's difficult to get her exactly right every time, I might have to fit a meter.
Do you know anything about replacing the lower grunions on these engines? If you look at my pics the lower trunion is rusted to heck. I have a brand new trunion and even a second had good original but looking at it they don't look easy to fit. I have all the spacers and replacement parts.
Br
Mike
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Sent you a PM ....
What rpm's are you turning at that speed ?
If your rpm's are in the low range of "Max rpm's" maybe try a 23P Laser II ...
But 62 mph is a pretty good number for your set up !
I had a trim gauge but never used it, preferred to go by seat of my pants ..
I watch rpm's and GPS, when it's trimmed to far rpm's go up and GPS go's down.
My speedo is pretty close to my GPS so most of the time I go off it.
I don't pull skiers or tubers, and do most of my boating on rivers with speeds in the 40 to 50+ mph range.
My CV is set up for going fast in a straight line and will blow out on turns.
The Laser II has the best feel / speed of all the props I tested.
" I hadn't realized documents like that were still around "
Look through this section, all kinds of cool stuff ...
Vendor and Repair Resources
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?board=7.0 (http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?board=7.0)
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Many thanks Gregg, that's awesome.
BTW I try to keep her straight at anything over 40mph as in open water it's risky anyway, don't want to nose dive her into a swirl and with that slight touch on the steering at speeds it does make quite a difference, I'm sure you can appreciate.. She rides pretty high at the front anyway because of the weight of the engine so it sort of makes it a bit safer and less likely to nose her in but it's always possible, and if I bank her port or starboard quickly one gets pretty close to the water, if I wanted a submarine I would have bought one he he he :o
Br
Mike
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I've taken waves over the bow, two now in the last two seasons, both at idle/no wake speeds, both by not paying attention ....
Would hate to even think what would happen at 40 mph !
WAHOO !
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/Hyperacme/76%20CV16%20blue/07-18-13/l29_zps0efdb4c4.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Hyperacme/media/76%20CV16%20blue/07-18-13/l29_zps0efdb4c4.jpg.html)
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Wow she really does look stunning Gregg, smooth ride in by the look of it.
Br
Mike