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Offline thedeuceman

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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2012, 08:21:22 AM »
I feel like a wet blanket half the time in the club, but I just want to point out the risks that some may not have thought of...one of my many job responsibilities in my work life...systems risk analysis.
Doran, no need worry about that.
I can't speak for any one else... but in some cases i tend to do things that i know will work under normal circumstances, not always thinking about all the "what if's"
i seems you always have "sound, cautious advice" that i NEED TO hear and think about from time to time.
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2012, 08:27:20 AM »
We all call you "The old stick in the mud" behind your back Doran !
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Really more like "The voice of reason".

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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2012, 09:19:05 AM »
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We all call you "The old stick in the mud" behind your back Doran !

You're not suppose to tell him... lol


Anyway, what's wrong with an over kill tow rig?




To be fair though, before I had this truck, my last was an Explorer back when they had a frame and were build like a truck. It had around a 4500lb max tow rating with a 210hp v6 and I may have crossed a scale at the local land fill at around 14,000lbs gross pulling a trailer full of shingles when I roofed my house...

P.S. The diesel Super Duty gets better mileage then the Explorer, but it doesn't fit into the garage as well...



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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2012, 10:13:53 AM »
This has turned into a very interesting thread about towing, so I'm going to interject just a little something near and dear to me.

I come from a varied background of towing (many times foolishly to get by) with experience of growing up on a fairly large (for it's day - not by today's standards) farm to towing various recreation vehicles with tow vehicles that were sometimes undersized and to almost oversized in instances. From heavily loaded farm wagons where they were rated for almost 40 tons being pulled sometimes by some of our smaller tractors that weighed in at 8000#'s if lucky and stopping those front steered loads off a fairly steep downhill gravel road stop sign that ends onto busy highway 10 cross traffic (bad place to make any mistakes) - to pulling my parents 5th wheel with a specially ordered heavy Ford Camper Special with 460 - to pulling my parents airstream trailer with an underpowered and over-geared Dodge pickup with 316...but it got pretty good gas mileage in comparison - to even pulling my old Glastron GT-150 with a little Dodge Horizon Hatchback sometimes. I even pulled a trailer that hauls my 20,000 pound Lull telehandler home with that same 318, and I didn't have the correct trailer brakes hookup but just figured I'd crawl the 30 miles home on the back roads - even at 15-20 mph, those truck brakes were smoking before I even got half way home, and I worried continuously about that trailer pushing me into the ditch when going down hill or to a stop sign!!

But my specific point for this thread is an example that to this day makes foolhardy ME cringe when I meet anyone towing something where the towed item is obviously significantly larger than the tow vehicle - whether there are trailer brakes or not...but ESPECIALLY if NOT. I had a '78 T-Bird (still have it in storage) that I pulled a '72 21' Starcraft Travel Trailer. I figured it out one time and it averaged 4 mpg pulling that trailer (5000# trailer) before I super-charged the engine (those old 351M's (destroked 400's) couldn't breath very well without supercharging). But that car still had a full frame and was quite heavy. On the way home from one camping weekend, we ran into a storm. I caught a side-wind on a curve and I watched in the mirrors as that trailer went completely off onto the side of the road - but my T-Bird held firm and pulled it back onto the road like nothing ever happened. While the car obviously weighed less than the trailer - the ratio was enough to keep it under control without "tail wagging the dog".

I went on to have other experiences with that combo like hitting a deer (on a curve again) where the trailer would have jack-knifed if not for trailer brakes - but to this day I seriously cringe when I see a trailer-tow combination where there is an obvious ratio difference which could send them hurtling towards me and my family while on the road! Then Dorelse's lawyer's logic would obviously come into play too!!   ;)

My point to this is, (and sorry if this is probably coming off as somewhat of a lecture rather than just an example and comment - that's not intended) even though the amount of power that can be gotten out of an engine and power train is improving all the time, if the tow vehicle doesn't have enough weight and stability, regardless of whether it can pull it or not, it can still be a significant risk to maintaining control of that combo.

So just for consideration, while you CAN "get by" more often that not (I'm certainly an example of not always having the funds to do things the "right" way and subsequently taking the chance) - IF something DOES go wrong, and only you can answer, will it really be worth the risk?   :)

PS: I second that '02 Avalanche as a great Glastron tow vehicle - we are immensely pleased with our's too.   :)
« Last Edit: December 28, 2012, 10:42:22 AM by bellj »
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2012, 10:32:48 AM »
Don't assume all 4 cyl's are the same. The 2013 escape 2.0 turbo is 240hp. 20 more than my 1999 dodge ram 2500 which can pull over 10000lbs

Gregg, your right rating comes from your suspension design and braking.
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2012, 11:16:21 AM »
Just to stir the pot a little since horsepower has been brought up - and this isn't specific to these towing comparisons, but it does play a part.

Going back to experiences that I observed from my farm background again - horsepower is only part of the equation - I learned long ago that what we called "lugging ability" plays a huge part too. For example - old two cylinder John Deere tractors had long strokes and big pistons...but when they went to the "New Generation" models, they went to 4 and 6 cylinder's and created the horsepower with higher speed. While we had the newer John Deere's and loved them - in an unusual example, my Uncle owned an implement business and in the '70's & '80's started to sell a popular (elsewhere) Russian tractor. We eventually bought one - it was a 4 cylinder, but had big pistons with long strokes - it would vibrate you to death...and even though it was rated for 80HP while our similar John Deere was 100HP, it only took 2 gallons of Diesel per hour compared with 5 for the JD.

So, regarding that lugging ability - if you placed that JD on the silo blower - it worked well but would bog down for slugs - still handled it, but did bog down (and took more fuel as it did). On that same blower (we had two because we had four silos) that Belarus would maintain the same RPM regardless of the load and actually would shear the pins in some cases.

So even though it had less HP, that "lugging ability" put it in a different class. We liked the John Deere's for field work for other reasons, but in certain circumstances like on those blowers, that "lugging" made a huge difference.

I see similar discussions on other chat lines about today's engines. The 8.1 liter Chev that is in our motorhome has been discontinued. It was old 455 technology modernized about as much as they could with electronic controls. They proudly now offer smaller displacement engines that produce more "horsepower". Part of that HP is by maintaining higher RPM's just like my John Deere example, along with turbo and/or supercharging, etc, and there's lots to admire about this newer technology and the less fuel consumption gains in perfect conditions. But when it comes to taking the same size motorhome up a hill - my old (2004) 8.1 liter will do it with much less effort AND less fuel consumption each and every time because it won't bog down as much as the RPMs go down and that "lugging ability" takes over!   ;)
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'69 Pipestone Princess O/B, '57 Evinrude Lark 35
'77 Glastron GT-150 O/B, '78 Merc 700, "The Puddle Jumper"
'77 Switzer GL-20 O/B, '77 Merc 1750
'86 Glastron CVX-20 O/B, '86 Merc 200, "The WHIZZard of Odds"

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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2012, 02:43:25 PM »
Good point about the "lugging" power. You need a lot of low end torque and proper gearing to use the power for towing.

Speaking of not smart towing. When I moved out of my parents house 11 years ago I used my 87 country squire to tow my 69 Mark III 30 miles with a bumper hitch! Not to smart but you do what you got to do sometimes.

The county squire was rated to tow 5000lbs but not with a bumper hitch!
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2012, 03:59:34 PM »
if the tow vehicle doesn't have enough weight and stability, regardless of whether it can pull it or not, it can still be a significant risk to maintaining control of that combo
That purty much says it all. Particularly if you're forced to make a panic stop/emergency manouver.

Yeah I grew up towing stuff too. Pulling boats and campers and motorcycle trailers way before I had my license, under my parents supervision of course. Also took drivers ed in high school. Would ya believe I failed my freakin drivers test 3 times?! First time it was nerves. 2nd I was too ready, left arm hangin out the window palming the wheel with my right, etc. 3rd I guess I gotta lil to close to some pedestrians. Hell I gave em a good foot foot'n a half. Didn't hit any? Still remember the examiner, who on that occasion happened to be a rather attractive female, scootching closer to the center of the car as I passed them. But the 4th time was a charm!

Anyway back to towing. I have no problems pulling my lil boat(s) with my trusty 4cyl Ranger. Though I have to admit hauling that soggy C500 with the 140 on that humongous galvanized trailer down from Brooksville on I75 running 70-75 kept the adrenaline running.

Reckon what it boils down to is a couple of basics. Ain't no replacement for displacement. And, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. 'Specially when referring to mass.   

 

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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2012, 04:14:14 PM »
I have to agree with the point made on power...
I prefer HP made from good ol fashion CI, not so much highly tuned high rpm motors
though i do enjoy the benefits of SFI over a carb.
And i prefer sound from a high power amp with a big heavy power transformer, not so much those with a switching power supply (digital amps)
BTW...
did we totally hijack this thread  :-[
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2012, 04:18:59 PM »
Takin' "Thread Theft" one step farther ...



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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2012, 04:32:56 PM »
did we totally hijack this thread  :-[

Not at all.  This old girl has never met anything that she couldn't pull, but she has met a few things were hard to stop without trailer brakes.



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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2012, 05:26:54 PM »
I can't help but add to the Driver's Ed part. I passed on the first try...but I truly believe it is because the examiner was afraid that he might get me again!!   ;)

On the way to the exam I was pulled over. As I handed the policeman my learners permit - he handed it back and asked for my Dad's license and identification?? After checking it out, he explained that my father looked like the criminal they were on the lookout for!

Don't know if it had shaken me up a bit or not - but that old '68 Mercury Park Lane Brougham (before you ask, yes, it's still rusting away in one of the sheds (still have a '69 Mark III like that too ironically, my family collected a lot of stuff in the past) - trying to get rid of stuff though, I really am...), anyway, it had one of those hold straps on the side of the door that you can use to pull the door shut, although they were mainly for decorative I think. By the time I was done with the examiner - after having a near head-on collision with my Aunt on our Main Street - he was holding onto that strap like his life depended on it when we rolled back into the parking lot! I thought I had failed for sure...but he said (in a shaky voice), that I needed a bit more confidence - but that he was going to pass me!!

Remember THAT next time you see me coming your way!!   LOL   :)
« Last Edit: December 28, 2012, 05:28:56 PM by bellj »
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'69 Pipestone Princess O/B, '57 Evinrude Lark 35
'77 Glastron GT-150 O/B, '78 Merc 700, "The Puddle Jumper"
'77 Switzer GL-20 O/B, '77 Merc 1750
'86 Glastron CVX-20 O/B, '86 Merc 200, "The WHIZZard of Odds"

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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2012, 06:00:47 PM »
NOW we have totally hijacked this thread ... Btw nice rig Barb.

'Member I took my driver test(s) in a '66 Plymouth Fury. Handed down from Granpappy Jack. Only had about 40k on it when I got it. As per his usual specs the car was a white sedan, had a big motor in it, with AC. And as few other options as possible. Though it did have power steering, no power brakes.

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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2012, 06:26:37 PM »
Quote
NOW we have totally hijacked this thread

Sorry, wasn't intended - just had to interject what I thought might be humorous addition to your comment.   :)

What's that they always say? Sometimes "crap" happens...   ;)
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'77 Glastron GT-150 O/B, '78 Merc 700, "The Puddle Jumper"
'77 Switzer GL-20 O/B, '77 Merc 1750
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2012, 07:17:53 PM »
I wouldn't sweat it. Ain't heard GC complain ...?
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2012, 10:52:14 PM »
Takin' "Thread Theft" one step farther ...




you're sick Gregg... just sayin'...
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2012, 11:24:00 PM »
Takin' "Thread Theft" one step farther ...




Gregg sick Wex?

Nah....just twisted a little bit I thinks!!!   ;)

But I have to say, I Like It! I Like It! ;D
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2012, 06:41:03 AM »
Found it on the Glastron's site ...
I'm not sick ... just kind of hung over ....
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2012, 12:15:39 PM »
I told Santa that pulling the sleigh with a Glastron boat was unusual, but "It's only weird if it does not work."
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Re: 1980 CVX
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2012, 09:19:25 PM »
Hey. Not tryin' to start anything. But who's the real Santa. The dude drivin the boat or the dude steering the sleigh?
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'81 Baja 15SS_140 Frankenrude_66.7 mph
'70 something SpeedCraft_(Allison 16R Clone)_69.0 mph
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