Author Topic: Brandon's CVZ-18 (Read 27377 times)

84carlson · « **Reply #60 on:** January 24, 2013, 04:53:00 PM »

I hope I did'nt open a can of worms, but at $300 you can get your money back out of the trailer...I'm sure in a week another one will pop up as well...Good luck...

Joe

V153 · « **Reply #61 on:** January 24, 2013, 05:07:35 PM »

Quote from: 84carlson on January 24, 2013, 04:53:00 PM

I'm sure in a week another one will pop up as well

Like Granpappy Jack always liked to say, "Don't worry, another turd will pop up soon ..."

75starflight · « **Reply #62 on:** January 24, 2013, 05:14:42 PM »

Quote from: 84carlson on January 24, 2013, 04:53:00 PM

I hope I did'nt open a can of worms, but at $300 you can get your money back out of the trailer...I'm sure in a week another one will pop up as well...Good luck...

Joe

No can of worms here Joe, thought I would low ball them and see if they would take it. I think the guy I am dealing with is a middle man and his boss at work is the true owner of the boat. I will give him till tomorrow morning and if he don't call I am not going to worry about it.

Heck I still have to rebuild it so i have plenty of time, and who knows mabey the next one will be an operating boat.

Hyperacme · « **Reply #63 on:** January 24, 2013, 06:14:25 PM »

Not sure if this is a good deal or not ...

1995 Mercruiser 5.7L/350 GM Engine Complete - $1300 (Rogers)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/boa/3530783516.html

dorelse · « **Reply #64 on:** January 24, 2013, 06:24:45 PM »

Well, I'd be interested in the outdrive off Fawkes if you upgrade to the Alpha One. Your skeg is bent anyway...

75starflight · « **Reply #65 on:** January 24, 2013, 09:06:24 PM »

Thanks Gregg, but I will pass for now, really need to start saving money to get Phoenix finished, and then I can get started on Fawkes.

Doran, you will be the first in line to get the out drive from Fawkes once I get it removed.

dorelse · « **Reply #66 on:** January 24, 2013, 09:18:57 PM »

I'm trying to remember what I paid (all total) for my donor parts...I *think* it was $175...and that was $50 for the engine, $50 for the manifolds and I think $75 for the outdrive, plus the expense & time on a long drive up to Buffalo Lake, MN and back.

So yeah, if you can get it all for $300...that'd be a deal I think.

Once you have the motor rebuilt, it should be ethanol safe as well, so that's a plus for you on down the line. (At least, that's what I was told on mine anyway.)

dorelse · « **Reply #67 on:** January 24, 2013, 09:33:42 PM »

Just found that CL ad...even at $600 that's likely a deal Brandon...sell the trailer for $300 and you're at your $300.

75starflight · « **Reply #68 on:** January 24, 2013, 09:51:21 PM »

Haven't heard anything this evening, going to give him a call in the morning. Might up my offer to $400.

wexrocks · « **Reply #69 on:** January 24, 2013, 10:07:42 PM »

I love a good project! Sounds like we've got one in the making here... And being a CVZ certainly gets my atention!

The only reason I comment is... and this comes from my personal experience, so it's value may differ or vary... wait for the "right" donor. You've said that you have one project to finish, so you can justify giving this one a little more time, right? it WILL come along. Just give it time. Between the combination of the daily listings of people looking to move a boat, the people desperate or less knowledgeable about what they have, and the watchful eye of the combined members... I think something will come up. How great would it be to find a total package that you can lake test, part out, and strip of all sorts of valuable pieces? All it takes is patience. If you find different opportunities along the way that allow you to "piece" it together, great. But, since you have time on your side, my advice (whatever that is worth) is to sit back, wait, and watch. If all else fails, I always seem to find deals somehow (too much time on craigslist, probably) and I'll snatch something up, you and your copilot Doran can come out here and get it, and all will be good!

Can't wait to see this project get off the ground, best of luck to you. I'll talk to you soon about all things cosmetic, like we discussed.

75starflight · « **Reply #70 on:** January 25, 2013, 08:10:53 AM »

I think I am going to pass on the one in KC after sleeping on it last night.

As a few of you have said, wait for the "right" donor.

Amber and I talked last night that we would be willing to pay more for a boat we can water test and know we can drop everything into Fawkes do some minor adjustments and hit the water. Instead of buying something that we know nothing about and have to dump the same amount into the outdrive and engine that we could spend on a newer running boat.

dorelse · « **Reply #71 on:** January 25, 2013, 11:22:47 AM »

I would say that it depends on if you're looking for an engine you can drop in and go, or if you're looking for a base to rebuild off of...

I went super cheap knowing that I wanted it completely rebuilt before I used it. The benefit to a fresh rebuild is that you know what you've got then...ethanol safe parts, gaskets, etc, etc.

If you buy a 20 year old engine and drop it in, you've got a 20 year old engine...so I chose to buy cheap and get it rebuilt so I knew what I had. For me, that was a wise decision (since I don't have the knowledge to do it myslef)...for $1500, I should have a trouble free powerplant for the next 20 years. It truly was a drop in, turn key solution.

Lets say you paid $400 for that KC boat...you have absolutely everything you need to go forward.

There will be other boats absolutely true...but even the Alpha drive at $400 is a bargain...provided its good.

See if you agree with my math:

Runnning Donor KC Donor (as an example only)

$1200? $400 -Initial Cost
$ -0- $1500 -Rebuild Cost

$1200 $1900 -Intial "On the Water" Total Cost

2016 EPA Approves/Req's Ethanol Use in ALL motors:

$2000 $0 - Rebuild Motor for Ethanol retrofit in say 2020 or simply
because the engine is now 30 years old. Prices will
have also risen for the rebuild due to inflation & price increases.

$3200 $1900 - 10 Year Total Cost of Ownership

($1300) - $1300 downstream out of pocket expense

I guess that's how I looked at it with my engine rebuild...I'm trying to avoid the larger downstream expenses. Maybe Ethanol won't cause that huge of expense, but you still have an engine that's 30 years old...and will need a rebuild sooner rather than later.

Again, just my thoughts on the cheap donor vs. running donor.

carlsoncvx18 · « **Reply #72 on:** January 25, 2013, 04:21:49 PM »

I Agree with you Doran on a Cheap donor boat with the outdrive you are hoping for.

If you plan on hanging on to the boat for many years I would rebuild in a heart beat as Doran said you know what you have.

Yes a sbc can be overhauled pretty inexpensively.

I had mine bored out .030, decked,crank polished,rods sized and mounted on to new pistons(pistons come with master overhaul kit) and a master overhaul kit for under $1200 bucks. Head were in pretty good shape just needed cleaning so if you need heads overhauled added roughly another $300. brings your rebuild close to $1500 for a stock 350 260hp.

But if you are looking for something different as in hp other than stock then it is a different story, and mo money.

75starflight · « **Reply #73 on:** January 25, 2013, 04:43:40 PM »

Personally from dealing with the guy in KC, I believe that the true seller was really not wanting to sell it. I have never heard back and I am not going to waste my time.

I hate to say it, but I am willing to spend a little more for a donor than $1200. I am looking more in the range of $3000 to $3500 maybe a little more than that. I am not kidding, I want to find something that can be put on the water and be tested and then take what I want and sell the rest.

possibly something along this line

http://cosprings.craigslist.org/boa/3568897836.html

And when I have the money saved up I will buy it!

75starflight · « **Reply #74 on:** January 25, 2013, 05:05:09 PM »

BTW I do agree with your math Doran, but I just can't beat a dead horse any more.

84carlson · « **Reply #75 on:** January 25, 2013, 06:22:21 PM »

Wow...sometimes it nice to be an outboard guy.....

dorelse · « **Reply #76 on:** January 25, 2013, 06:28:55 PM »

Quote from: 84carlson on January 25, 2013, 06:22:21 PM

Wow...sometimes it nice to be an outboard guy.....

Nah, they both have their issues, you just have to pick your poison.

Jason · « **Reply #77 on:** January 25, 2013, 08:58:47 PM »

It's the cost if TIME and MONEY. If you can't hear it run and verify it's not cracked I wouldn't waste my time. To me it's worth knowing you don't need to do something twice! You might get lucky with a great deal but it does not always work out that way. Do any of you remember the Big Yellow Turd?

wexrocks · « **Reply #78 on:** January 25, 2013, 10:21:57 PM »

Quote from: 74GlasCarlSS on January 25, 2013, 08:58:47 PM

It's the cost if TIME and MONEY. If you can't hear it run and verify it's not cracked I wouldn't waste my time.

Good point Jason... I don't consider doing a rebuild even on a previously automotive motor until it's been stripped and pressure tested. Lots of people look for the quick and easy tell-tale external cracks, but they overlook the potential for internal cylinder wall cracks, lifter valley (the weakest part of an engiine, as far as I'm concerned) cracks, and so on. Pressure tests don't lie, I swear by them, and I never spend a dollar until I do that first. But I'm a skeptic, it's my nature!

75starflight · « **Reply #79 on:** January 25, 2013, 11:05:57 PM »

Quote from: 74GlasCarlSS on January 25, 2013, 08:58:47 PM

It's the cost if TIME and MONEY. If you can't hear it run and verify it's not cracked I wouldn't waste my time. To me it's worth knowing you don't need to do something twice! You might get lucky with a great deal but it does not always work out that way. Do any of you remember the Big Yellow Turd?

The Big Yellow Turd? Please do tell, I don't think I have ever heard of that.