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Offline jake

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HELP!!!
« on: August 15, 2013, 10:34:34 PM »
so about 20 years ago my uncle sold my dad a 76 glastron and clamed it was vary rare like 1 in 7 built and was said to have a boss 302 in it and now that the boats been passed down to me im lost no clue if it is a boss no clue if its rare no idea what its even worth fixin up. my father say it is cause hes bought parts for it under the boss name but Im not sure cause it could just be a 302 the valve cover say 200hp on them but that again im not sure about it I know cars and trucks well but never been into ford motors some insite would be greatfull
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Offline jake

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Re: HELP!!!
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2013, 11:42:09 PM »
ok after 100 google searches ive found out that its not a boss and it a v184 crest flite with the 200hp 302 jet drive? with the Volvo setup ? I don't know boats at all but I don't know if its rare or if it has any value the motor ran about 9 years ago but had carb issues and it was going to cost an arm and a leg to fix it but my guess is it might be locked up and have a pile of issues and don't want it now so dose anyone one want a project or a parts boat selling it cheap!!!

Offline kert0307

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Re: HELP!!!
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2013, 08:31:04 AM »
Does the drive look like this (jet drive)



or this? (Volvo drive)


Offline V153

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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2013, 05:04:06 PM »
A picture would help.

My bet if it's a jet drive it's probly a 351, not a 'Boss' 302.

Appears '76 was the last year for the jet, and the 184 was phased out after the '77 model year. In '77 you could only get it in stern drive.

Ironically in the '72 catalog the motor's called a 350 jet. But in '73 it's back to being a 351 ...
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Offline jake

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Re: HELP!!!
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2013, 07:54:27 PM »
Its got to be the Volvo set up nd ill get a pic on as soon as I get down too it

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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2013, 07:51:46 PM »
ok so I had a a 45min talk with my father about this boat and he says its 1 of 5 or 7 boats with this motor he said the motor was a gift from ford to the big shots of glastron I think he was told a story to get him to buy the boat but its 100% factory and the boats in bad shape ill be adding picks later tonight

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Re: HELP!!!
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2013, 08:02:07 PM »
Jake

You are getting my curiosity up.

Lets see the pics.
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Offline V153

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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2013, 08:16:50 PM »
Well I dunno, reserving judgement til I see a pic.
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Offline Rosscoe

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2013, 07:25:11 AM »
Yes, lets see some pics!
Being that the old Glastron factory build info was lost in a fire, I wonder how they know 1 of 5 or 7
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Re: HELP!!!
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2013, 09:40:37 PM »
ok my buddy went and sent me 2 pics of the motor but I have no idea how to get them on here but my dad bought it from is brother in law who told him the story that he was told and that was back in the early 90's (me I think its just normal boat) my old man told me that when he went to the auto part store he had to buy boss parts for it I know theres a 4 big holly on it that's about I know tell me how to get pick up

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Re: HELP!!!
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2013, 10:26:51 PM »
It's probably a normal glastron/Volvo 302. Only thing that MIGHT be different is the carb. Original may have been a 2 barrel. Guess unless you tear it open you won't know. Also marine engines are cammed different then a car motors too.
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Re: HELP!!!
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2013, 10:42:45 PM »
Jake, from the pics you post it does not look to be a Boss 302. Boss 2's have 351 Cleveland heads which have an 8 bolt pattern for the valve covers. Your covers have a 6 bolt pattern found on the 302 and 351 Windsor. Another way to tell if it's a Boss 2 would be the freeze plugs. Boss's have screw in plugs , standard 302's have press in plugs. So it looks like your choice is 302 or maybe 351 Windsor. To know for sure see if you can get a picture of the intake manifold where it meets the head just behind the distributor. If that's not possible try for a picture of the front of the head (either side) in the area of the water pump. As a side note Boss 302's were made in 1969 and 1970 so finding a 6yr old motor in a new 1976 boat would be unusual, however anything may be possible. Hope this helps and keep the pics coming!
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Re: HELP!!!
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2013, 10:44:31 PM »
I recall seeing some Volvo 302 Ford power packages that were labeled as Holman Moody power plants. I have some pictures of a '69 V174 with such a package. I don't know what's different about it from other Ford powered Volvo packages but it also has a 4 barrel Holley on it.

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2013, 10:59:02 PM »
Jake, I just noticed the firing order on your valve cover ( 13726548) which is for a 351 Windsor. 302's fire 15426378. So if the valve covers are original you would have a 351 Windsor. Hope this helps some more.
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Re: HELP!!!
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2013, 12:34:50 AM »
well I think the clevland and the Windsor have the same firing order

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2013, 03:14:04 PM »
Jake, you are correct that the 351 Windsor and 351 Cleveland have the same firing order (1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8) which is the same as the 351M, 400, and the 302(5.0L) HO as well as the '95 & '96 trucks. As stated in my previous post you have 6 bolt valve covers as found on Windsor motors including the 351 Windsor. the 351 Cleveland has 8 bolt valve covers. You definitely have a Windsor motor so the question is which one? The firing order limits us to a 351 W or a 5.0 HO. The 351 has a 1" taller deck height than the 302 so the heads will be farther apart on a 351. Looking at the intake manifold the space between the valve covers and carburetor seems about right for a 351. However pictures can be deceiving, that's why I asked about pictures looking at the intake behind the distributor or straight on at the heads at the front of the motor. On a 302, just behind the distributor, the intake sits flush with the block, on the 351 the intake sits on a lip maybe 1/4 - 1/2in. high. Looking at the heads, where the front of the head meets the block, on a 302 the timing chain cover is almost even with the point the heads meet the block, on a 351 the head and block meet about a 1/2in farther away. The 302 has 7/16in. head bolts and the 351 has 1/2in. head bolts. And the number one way, and the easiest, to tell a 302 and 351 apart. On a 302 the thermostat housing lower bolt is below the top of the water pump so you can not get a socket on it. You can get a socket on the lower bolt of a 351 to remove it. Sorry if I was a little long winded but I wanted to pass along as much info, to ID your motor, as I know. Hope this helps without confusing you.
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Re: HELP!!!
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2013, 04:43:08 PM »
Yea, clean off the pine needles and lets see some pics. This is getting interesting! My first car had a 351W. 1991 Crown Vic cop car!

This pic may help of my 351W. Compare the distance above where the distributor pad is to the top of the block. A 302 will be shorter than this pic.


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