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Offline Neutron68

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first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« on: July 06, 2014, 10:51:29 PM »
After all the exploratory disassembly, fixes and improvements, I finally got a chance to take the boat out this weekend.
The engine started easily, ran smoothly and had plenty of take off power.  I put on a vintage 15 x 17 prop this winter.

The depth/fish finder works great.  I didn't see any problems with the sounder location.

After the engine warmed up, the temperature gauge held steady at 150F.  I ran it wide open throttle (WOT) for about 30 seconds last night before sundown and the temperature never went higher than 150F.

During the WOT run, the boat came up on plain and gave me 4000 RPM with the 15 x 17 prop I put on this winter.
It falls in the range recommended for a 120 in the 1978 Mercruiser manual, so I think I'm in good shape.



One thing that bothers me is the crack in the lower unit case.  It seems to be seeping oil.  In August 2013, I asked the In Tune Marine guys to CAREFULLY look at that and fix/weld that crack if it was shown to leak oil.  They didn't do anything with the crack.  I'm really annoyed to see it leaking after asking for it to be examined and fixed.  :(
Any advice for that crack?  Can it be welded?



I noted what I thought was odd behavior of the alternator.  The alternator doesn't seem to charge the battery (Voltmeter reads 12V right after startup) until you get the throttle above about 1200 RPM.  At that point, the Voltmeter goes up to 14V.  After it gets up to 14V, it stays there, even if the throttle is dropped back to idle. 
Is that normal behavior for a 1978 Mercruiser 120 alternator?

Eric
« Last Edit: July 06, 2014, 11:08:22 PM by Neutron68 »
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2014, 05:14:58 AM »
Aluminum can be welded, but of coarse drain the lower unit grease and apply wet cold rags to the surrounding areas. An experienced welding shop will know the correct procedure.
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2014, 07:45:53 AM »
Good job! I used to run my 120 WOT up to 4600 rpm with a 21p stainless prop topping out around 40 mph. Judging from what I see of your numbers of 4000 rpm with a 17p I don't think you're going to swing a 21p prop. What kind of speed were you getting at 4000 rpm? Is that with the drive trimmed all the way down or out just a bit?

Where's the crack in the gearcase?

I've seen alternators so that before. Seems like they kick in after a certain rpm. I'm not sure if that's normal or indicative of a bad internal connection that catches hold once it gets going. Perhaps a little WD40 sprayed into the alternator can help clear up the contacts.
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Offline Jerry

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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2014, 08:31:36 AM »
That alternator reaction is normal. DON'T SPRAY ANYTHING IN THE ALTERNATOR!!!
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2014, 08:39:15 AM »
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That alternator reaction is normal. DON'T SPRAY ANYTHING IN THE ALTERNATOR!!!

Why not Jerry? You've made a statement so how's about an explanation? I've never had a problem with spraying WD40 into an alternator. It's part of most I/O winterizing procedures.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2014, 09:08:08 AM by Rich_V174SS »
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2014, 08:58:41 AM »
Here's a photo with the leaking crack highlighted.



I'm sorry to say, I didn't note the speed when I got up to 4000 RPM.  About that time, I got distracted with waves ahead and other boat traffic.  I'll pay attention next time.  I'll note the GPS speed, and the speedo.

I had the trim all the way down, I believe...maybe pitched down too much?

The 15 x 17 I have on is the prop on the left.

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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2014, 09:04:15 AM »
Oh ok, I see the crack now. That crack should have been fixed, don't know how it could be overlooked. Not only is it a place for oil to escape it's also a place where water can get into the drive.
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2014, 09:25:48 AM »
From these cutaway photos, it looks like the main drive shaft is right behind that crack.

Should oil be coming out the weep hole towards the leading edge of the lower unit?  (as it appears?)

Should I be looking for a used Mercruiser lower unit to replace this cracked one?  (anyone got one to sell?)




« Last Edit: July 07, 2014, 09:32:43 AM by Neutron68 »
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2014, 10:18:22 AM »
Oil coming from the forward weep hole indicates the shift rod seal/bushing (part #19 in your parts breakdown above) is bad and should be replaced. But most repair shops would agree the gearcase should be replaced because of the crack. If it can be repaired by a welding shop and done cheaply I'd say try it otherwise I'd be looking for a replacement lower unit. A crack like that seems to me was caused by water in the gearcase that froze.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2014, 10:51:48 AM by Rich_V174SS »
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2014, 11:25:09 AM »
I reviewed the repair invoice from September 2013...

The inspection section says:
PERFORM MOTOR INSPECTION (added after initial post)
OIL DRIPPING FROM LOWER UNIT (added after initial post)
LOWER UNIT HAS CRACK IN IT (added after initial post)
PRESSURE TESTED DRIVE - DOES NOT HOLD PRESSURE

The Drive Reseal section says:
INSTALL NEW WATER PUMP IMPELLER (Sierra Impeller)
RESEALED UPPER AND LOWER STERN DRIVE
INSTALLED NEW WATER PUMP IMPELLER
PRESSURE AND VACUUM TESTED GEARCASE - HELD 10 PSI
FILLED WITH FRESH GEAR LUBE

I can't understand how the gearcase DIDN'T leak with 10 PSI of pressure.
It's currently leaking with just gravity!
« Last Edit: July 07, 2014, 12:57:54 PM by Neutron68 »
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2014, 11:32:07 AM »
Has that crack always been there since you've owned the boat? Almost sounds like someone is passing the buck.  :o
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2014, 11:37:23 AM »
Yes, that crack was there when I bought the boat in June 2013.  But, I didn't notice it until 1 month later when I started looking for the source of the oil leak, that I spotted once I got the boat up on the boat lift in July 2013.

I SPECIFICALLY asked In Tune Marine to check out and weld that crack in August 2013.
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2014, 12:42:21 PM »
    My original outdrive on my Z must have been left up, filled with rain or snow, froze, and cracked a 3" split alongside the reverse bearing carrier.   I thought about welding mine, but taking measurements indicates that the lower gearcase has been deformed.   I may still weld mine up, I need to check some clearances closer.   As for your drive, it appears to also been caused by water freezing, and likely if water got in the oil, even more damage could be present.   Two ideas come to mind.   Fully dissamble the lower half, figure out what is good/bad, asses the direction you need to proceed, then weld up the crack, reaasemble.   2nd idea would be to drain the lube, clean out the cracked area with acetone, carb cleaner, or brakekleen, the use JB weld to seal the crack.   I know its not the best method, but if the bearings and/or gears are bad, and the housing is cracked, your likely looking at a new unit anyway.   Best price Ive seen on a empty bottom half was $550.00(OEM, not aftermarket).    Could give ya some time, outdrives can be easier and cheaper come fall after season.   Best of luck, Michael.
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2014, 12:57:35 PM »
I just noticed some text from the repair invoice that I missed.

I just went back and added it to the message a few posts back...

PERFORM MOTOR INSPECTION
OIL DRIPPING FROM LOWER UNIT
LOWER UNIT HAS CRACK IN IT

So, the repair shop was fully aware of the crack and my desire to fix the oil leak...just didn't do anything about it.
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2014, 01:09:26 PM »
Been a few members that have had good luck with SEI.

http://www.sterndrive.cc/product/Fits-Mercruiser-Gen-I-Lower-8951A43.html

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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2014, 01:23:20 PM »
Opinions?

Pre-Alpha, no cracks - from Mercruiser 260:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/boa/4505921783.html

This guy says he has pre-Alpha stern drive parts.
http://mankato.craigslist.org/for/4480960911.html

Pre-Alpha, but from a 305 V8 - compatible??
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/boa/4528448117.html
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2014, 02:23:30 PM »
Your gear ratio will be wrong if you put on a complete outdrive from a V8...no bueno.

What about that guy Jeff used in the TC's when his outdrive blew up?
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2014, 02:47:28 PM »
Your gear ratio will be wrong if you put on a complete outdrive from a V8...no bueno.
Gotcha...305 V8 drive, not compatible.

How about the Pre-Alpha, no cracks - from Mercruiser 260:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/boa/4505921783.html

What about that guy Jeff used in the TC's when his outdrive blew up?
Not sure what you mean.  Maybe this question was for the group?

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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2014, 02:49:12 PM »
Your gear ratio will be wrong if you put on a complete outdrive from a V8...no bueno.

What about that guy Jeff used in the TC's when his outdrive blew up?

Jeff and I both replaced are entire outdrive last summer with a brand new SEI. So far so good. My brother also replaced his lower with an SEI about 5 years ago and has not had any issues.

http://www.sterndrive.cc/Mercruiser-Alpha-One-Gen-I-Lower-Only.html
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Re: first 2014 outing for 1978 SSV-177!
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2014, 03:04:27 PM »
What about that guy Jeff used in the TC's when his outdrive blew up?
Not sure what you mean.  Maybe this question was for the group?

Eric
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Yes, there is a guy that rebuilds outdrives in the TC's somewhere in the Minnetonka area (I think) that has been used by members in the past...I remember Jeff blew up his outdrive and had a replacement the next day.

I don't have the contact info, but he has been used by members of the club.
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