Author Topic: Looking for ideas on an Engine purchase & pickup (Read 27234 times)

dorelse · « **on:** March 02, 2016, 07:55:51 PM »

Long story short. I'd like to get the 3.7L engine on CL in Brooklyn Park, it has all the goodies, PS, transom plate, gimbal, everything.

Obviously this can be difficult for me sitting in Des Moines. The engine is out of the boat, so its just a matter of picking it up (literally lifting it up) and paying, etc.

Is anyone close to Brooklyn Park with a portable hoist or have ideas how to get it in a pickup and transported?

Not sure it's even doable to nab, but for the price I think its a worthwhile purchase, and an ideal upgrade in Barfly.

Thoughts & ideas are much appreciated. I'm unable to get up there for at least a couple weeks with my daughter's competitive VB schedule.

Thanks!

Tonka Jim · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2016, 08:42:51 PM »

I'm on the north side and can handle it.
I'll check with Steve A. to see if he has a hoist I can use.

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2016, 09:09:30 PM »

At my work place in Lino Lakes, we have a fenced empty lot that could store an engine, and forklift trucks. Not too far away from Brooklyn Park.

dorelse · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2016, 10:34:16 PM »

Jim's got a cherry picker lined up, hoping to get this done tomorrow. Engine turns over but won't fire, hoping its an easy fix, but expecting a full rebuild.

Would have everything needed to drop in and go, with an Alpha set up and power steering to boot.

Hyperacme · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2016, 08:20:01 AM »

Should be less "Bar" ... and more "FLY" with that motor !

dorelse · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2016, 08:52:51 AM »

Quote from: Hyperacme on March 03, 2016, 08:20:01 AM

Should be less "Bar" ... and more "FLY" with that motor !

Well, that's the hope anyway. I suspect I'll need to pick up the 4 Barrel Carb & Intake at some point to get the full 190HP that it's capable of, but hoping for a good foundation to start with.

I eventually have to pull the floor as it has the towel off weakened corners, so I'll move the front support at that time and perform the swap.

Plugcheck · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:37:54 AM »

Should make for a good swap, are most of the mounts and hook-ups the same? Hope to hear the results.

dorelse · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:48:47 AM »

Deal is done. Jim B. - I'll call you in a bit.

The seller actually knows you, Steve Ackermann, and loves your CV-16, and you've apparently talked to him about the CV-19OB as well.

Anyway, should be a nice upgrade. Its everything from the outdrive gimbal forward, including the wiring harness, so it should be complete. Turns over with a battery, just won't fire. Took a little off the top so all in all, a good deal for both of us.

Nice guy...seemed pretty honest about it.

Plugcheck · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2016, 02:43:10 PM »

You should be able to fire it up on a pallet, stand, or similar. Much easier to check stuff with it out of the boat. I would tend to believe there is not much difference in wiring, should be straightforward, except maybe for the alternator wiring. Will you have it ready for Rathbun? I would recommend an electronic ignition upgrade if it still happens to be points, made a decent improvement in my 140. Come to think of it, I think Makinwaves Hammond had a 470(4 cylinder with 460 head) in it, ran well and strong, I honestly thought it made better power than what it was rated at. Wonder if he ever clocked the Hammond, I'll have to ask.

dorelse · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2016, 02:50:44 PM »

Oh yeah definitely going on a stand and getting dialed in, compression check, etc. The 3.7L at least has the alternator upgrade over the earlier stator design.

I would love to do the electronic ignition upgrade, but I'm clueless at that stuff. I'm not an engine builder, I understand the concepts, etc, but not something a guy wants to try without an expert around.

I'll get it on the stand, wire up gauges, battery holder, I have a spare key switch around, etc. I won't put it in until next fall / winter / spring...too many irons in the fire right now. Plus, I want to find the 4 barrel intake & carb so that's installed & working before it goes in the boat.

I'd also like to lose that cast iron head since the block is already aluminium. Who knows...I have the motor now and that's a start!

75starflight · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2016, 04:19:00 PM »

Great news on the engine!

Rich_V174SS · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2016, 07:56:48 PM »

Quote from: dorelse on March 03, 2016, 02:50:44 PM

I would love to do the electronic ignition upgrade, but I'm clueless at that stuff. I'm not an engine builder, I understand the concepts, etc, but not something a guy wants to try without an expert around.

Plus, I want to find the 4 barrel intake & carb so that's installed & working before it goes in the boat.

I'd also like to lose that cast iron head since the block is already aluminium. Who knows...I have the motor now and that's a start!

Electronic ignition upgrade is easy. You just remove the breaker plate from under the distributor cap and install the electronic ignition module/plate in its place and connect two wires. You might have to shave down the rotor button a little to get it to fit on the shaft with the magnetic timing wheel in place though. Then set your timing with a light.

With the 4 barrel intake some have an optional built-in oil cooler which requires other parts to adapt hoses that connect to the oil filter. Also, a different front engine coolant pipe is needed. The throttle cable mounts to the top of the valve cover instead of the intake manifold so the mounting pieces are also required.

I don't know if you'll find an aluminum head for these. Although the design is Ford 460 they are not an exact match. There's a coolant outlet on the front side of the head that feeds into the exhaust manifold. Not saying it couldn't be done but you may be opening up a can-o-worms here.

dorelse · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2016, 08:18:42 PM »

Quote from: Rich_V174SS on March 03, 2016, 07:56:48 PM

Quote from: dorelse on March 03, 2016, 02:50:44 PM
I would love to do the electronic ignition upgrade, but I'm clueless at that stuff. I'm not an engine builder, I understand the concepts, etc, but not something a guy wants to try without an expert around.

Plus, I want to find the 4 barrel intake & carb so that's installed & working before it goes in the boat.

I'd also like to lose that cast iron head since the block is already aluminium. Who knows...I have the motor now and that's a start!

Electronic ignition upgrade is easy. You just remove the breaker plate from under the distributor cap and install the electronic ignition module/plate in its place and connect two wires. You might have to shave down the rotor button a little to get it to fit on the shaft with the magnetic timing wheel in place though. Then set your timing with a light.

With the 4 barrel intake some have an optional built-in oil cooler which requires other parts to adapt hoses that connect to the oil filter. Also, a different front engine coolant pipe is needed. The throttle cable mounts to the top of the valve cover instead of the intake manifold so the mounting pieces are also required.

I don't know if you'll find an aluminum head for these. Although the design is Ford 460 they are not an exact match. There's a coolant outlet on the front side of the head that feeds into the exhaust manifold. Not saying it couldn't be done but you may be opening up a can-o-worms here.

Yeah, I need to get it running first!

Rich_V174SS · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2016, 08:30:49 PM »

The ignition upgrade goes from points:

To Electronic:

Oil cooler connection components:

Throttle connection and plug wires:

dorelse · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2016, 08:33:43 PM »

I am hoping that the reason its not firing is b/c I need to fix the ignition system...so you're likely right in that electronic ignition is needed.

Rich_V174SS · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2016, 08:38:25 PM »

That was the second thing I replaced after putting the engine into the boat. The first was installing the alternator conversion kit and getting rid of the old stator and regulator. I also removed the mechanical fuel pump and installed an electric one wired with an oil pressure switch for safety.

Installed a block-off plate over the old fuel pump hole:

Silver GT-150 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2016, 09:30:59 PM »

Good stuff Doran. This will be a nice upgrade to "Barfly"!

dorelse · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2016, 09:42:44 PM »

Thanks, I think so too. I had found a set of exhaust manifolds for a sbc that didn't have risers like Kurt did on his cvx-16. Just more of a project that I wanted.

This should be pretty drop in ready once the engine is up and running. The 4 barrel intake & carb show up on ebay from time to time (that explains why there are hoses with them Rich) so I'll just keep an eye open.

I think its the right power for the boat.

Jason · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:29:33 PM »

That will be a real nice upgrade. Nice price too! The engine work, wiring, etc will be a piece of cake compared to what you will have to come up with for the back seat and engine cover but we know you'll think of something!

dorelse · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:43:24 PM »

Quote from: Jason on March 03, 2016, 10:29:33 PM

That will be a real nice upgrade. Nice price too! The engine work, wiring, etc will be a piece of cake compared to what you will have to come up with for the back seat and engine cover but we know you'll think of something!

Shouldn't have to modify the engine cover at all. I likely wouldn't put the motor in if it won't work. By Rich's rough measurements, the back seat shouldn't need any changes either. I think all I'll have to do is add a forward mount, relocate the battery.

Of course its never that simple...but we'll see!