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Offline Glastronjohn18

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Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« on: April 13, 2017, 10:52:43 PM »
If your memory is better than mine, you'll remember about this time last April I did a test fit of the 351 in the CVX 18.






 At that time I found a bad engine coupler, which I replaced and  some teeth on the flywheel that looked like they belonged to a NHL goalie.









I can't believe it took a year to address the flywheel issue but 'yall know how life and other projects happen.


So....back to the flywheel.

Recently I've been watching a craigslist ad for a flywheel off of a 351 Volvo Penta but hesitated to act  because it was a mid '90's unit and my engine is mid '70's. What's the difference you ask?    Ford small blocks are externally balanced and Ford changed the 302 engine's imbalance from 28 ounces to 50 ounces some time in the '80's. You can't use a 28oz. flywheel/damper on a 50oz. engine and vice versa. I wasn't sure exactly when this was done or if the 351 also was affected.
I didn't know the tooth count for the VP wheel but mine is 157 with a diameter of 12 1/4 in.


I reached out to Jason in search of some answers.
Thanks Jason, you're input is appreciated.  :)


Searching through some of the Ford sites I found the very same question.
The answer is that 351's were unchanged through their production and retain a 28oz. imbalance.






In the meantime I saw new flywheels priced around $200 and up........mostly up. 

With that in mind I searched for ring gears and found prices all the way up to an unbelievable $140, of course that was for an OEM Mercruiser unit.
On Saturday I stopped at the local NAPA store and found they had a ring gear that fit, it was at another store so it would be Tuesday before I could get it.......my price $23.53!





Arriving home after the trip to NAPA I broke out the hammer to remove the old ring gear. After making sure the lip / shoulder was facing up I proceeded with a few exploratory taps. Once I saw the paint separated from the gear I went into full
 hammer on mode.






 A couple good wacks an the ring gear gave way.





A little work with a Scotch Brite pad removed the small amount surface rust.
A good cleaning was all I could do until the new gear arrived on Tuesday.






What do you do with the old gear?

How 'bout an automotive Darwin Award for those who insist on engaging the starter while the motor is running.






Tuesday arrived and so did the ring gear. I picked it up after work and proceeded home for the install. 


                        A quick recap of the specs

                        Ford 351w Flywheel
                        157 teeth
                        12.25in. outside dia.

                         Ring Gear
                         NAPA Part # BK6003030
                         157 teeth
                         12.025 inside dia.


    So....how do you get a 12.025 inside dia. gear to fit on a bigger (12 1/4 in.) Flywheel?


           BAKE IT !!

That's right...get out the Easy Bake Oven and scorch it!

Heating the gear expands it enough to easily slip over the flywheel. As it cools it contracts and becomes a tight fit.
Science lesson is over, now back to the practical.


After preheating the oven we'll bake the ring gear for 30 min. at 500 degrees.

                  Hint:  Prior to baking clean the gear with brake clean, acetone,etc. to remove any residual oil from the
                             manufacturing process. You don't want the smell of burnt oil in your kitchen.

                   Hint #2: You may want to send your wife on an errand before you do this.


As added insurance I put the flywheel in the refrigerator before I left for work Tuesday morning. My thought was that the added cooling / contraction would insure a generous slip fit.  In the end I don't think this was needed.     




Here I'm removing the gear.....Remember not to use your fingers!



     



The gear falls loosely onto the 'wheel.   


   



A few taps to make sure the gear is firmly seated against the lip.


 


I let it cool over night ....... And we're Done!





Before and After








       
« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 10:55:36 AM by Hyperacme »
John
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Offline DL-North

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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2017, 11:14:29 PM »
Nice write up.
Back in my early days I worked in a engine design/development group. At one point we were loosing a lot of ring gears in UPS trucks. (they start/stop the engines many, many times each day. Replaced a lot of rings during the testing to solve it.  We just heated them with a touch, no need for an oven, it just took a few minutes to get them hot enough.

The problem was a bad angle in the starter pinion gear, and once it hit bad (didn't engage properly) a few times it snowballed from there.

Dan 

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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2017, 11:22:25 PM »
Get'er done John!  You've got a meet to attend!!!
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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2017, 11:23:59 PM »
Dan, Thanks for the flowers.
Perhaps we've met in our former lives. I worked at Reliable Carriers for 16yrs. and hauled many prototype and test vehicles to and from the tracks.
John
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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2017, 11:29:00 PM »
Thanks Doran I needed the encouragement. Out here in Glastron never land boat project help is a scarce commodity.
John
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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2017, 11:36:51 PM »
Thanks Doran I needed the encouragement. Out here in Glastron never land boat project help is a scarce commodity.

You're tellin me!  I'm stuck in Des Moines, I know exactly what you're going through. You're nearly there.
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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2017, 12:08:42 AM »
Very nice write-up, enjoyed every bit of it.  Been down that road several times of using the house kitchen for shop projects.  Hope to see that craft at TI this year.  Git R Done as they say.
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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2017, 06:06:19 AM »
Nice job there Johny great write up, just think if you would have put the other part in the freezer and the ring gear in the oven. All the room in the world.  Hurry up and get the 18done still have a glass case in my 18 I have to get back to you.  Figured I would hold it ransom so we could get to Red Wing again.
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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2017, 01:05:58 PM »
John good work & your commentary is hilarious. Still anxious to see how that 351 Ford performs in your CVX18. Only one I know of with a Ford engine bigger than a 302. You'll have a very unique CVX18 when it's all done.
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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2017, 01:25:28 PM »
Ya should have been a teacher John ...
I think half of your posts end up in our "How to" section !
Hope you guys can make it to the meet this year.

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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2017, 10:57:33 PM »
Very nice John!
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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2017, 12:36:32 PM »
Nice job there Johny great write up, just think if you would have put the other part in the freezer and the ring gear in the oven. All the room in the world.  Hurry up and get the 18done still have a glass case in my 18 I have to get back to you.  Figured I would hold it ransom so we could get to Red Wing again.
Yup. Back in my jetski days if you tore up a wear ring? Freeze the new one for a few days'n it'd pop right in.
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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2017, 07:30:24 PM »
Maybe but not likely, I was at Onan/Cummins up to 1990, when I left.
I pretty much stayed in the lab, the applications guys handled the vehicle tests.

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Re: Today's Recipe : Easy Bake Flywheel
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2017, 07:59:25 PM »
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Maybe but not likely, I was at Onan/Cummins up to 1990, when I left.
I pretty much stayed in the lab, the applications guys handled the vehicle tests.

You may be right. I made quite a few trips to Columbus, mostly involving the 5.9 for Dodge.
John
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