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Offline Hyperacme

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Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« on: November 25, 2014, 12:08:15 AM »
I've heard story's over the years about who / how / why Mariner came about ...
Here's Mercury's version ...
Some cool stuff in links on this page ...
https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/about


Mariner
Split decision

Competition in the outboard market was tough in the early 1970s, and Mercury Marine found itself at a slight disadvantage.

Rival engine builder Outboard Marine Corporation (OMC) sold two outboard brands, Johnson and Evinrude. While Mercury enjoyed equal market share in the category, it was thought that a second outboard line could boost Mercury Marine’s distribution, both in the U.S. and internationally.

The new Mercury engine brand was named “Mariner” to invoke a reliable, durable outboard that would appeal to a different customer than the fast, high-performance image of the Mercury brand.

Introduced in Australia in 1974 and two years later in the U.S. and Europe, Mariner instantly doubled the distribution potential for Mercury Marine. The new outboard brand established a foothold in Europe, thanks in part to a decision by OMC to sell direct to dealers, eliminating the loyal, long-term distributors.

Mariner was originally built under a joint venture with Yamaha, which was ended by the Federal Trade Commission’s ruling that the agreement hindered competition. By the early ’80s, Mariner and Mercury were becoming more similar than different. When electronic fuel injection was introduced in 1986, the transition was complete; the two outboards were mechanically the same.

In the mid 1990s, the future viability of a second outboard brand was debated. While the distribution issue lessened as more boats and motors were sold as a package by U.S. boat builders, Mariner enjoyed a far larger market share internationally than at home. Still, the perception remained that OMC would enjoy a “two-to-one advantage” with its dual outboard brands.

However, the economies of scale did not bode well for a two-brand strategy. With less risk of losing U.S. sales through a larger number of committed boat builders, the savings in manufacturing and marketing costs for a single outboard brand would be significant.

In 1999, the decision was reached to end Mariner sales in the U.S. but to continue distribution internationally in markets where it remains popular.

In the U.S., loyal Mariner owners were downhearted. Even though Mercury and Mariner had been the same product — except for paint and decals — for more than a decade, the faithful never accepted the reality, expressing a wish for the return of Mariner in the U.S.

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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2014, 05:47:34 AM »
Interesting, I can remember (I think) some people (customers) saying "if you want power buy Evinrude and if you want speed buy Johnson" regarding OMC at that time.  Gregg....Did Mariner have a "Mascot" like Black Max?

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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2014, 06:57:42 AM »
Interesting article Gregg. I believe that the differences between Johnson/Evinrude were greater. Johnson being the basic model (carbs)and Evinrude having the bells and the whistles (fuel injection). Also, you are right in that each had their own image, and the advertising tailored to a different crowd. The white Mercurys that came with the Sea Rays did not sell well - people thought they were not the real deal. 
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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2014, 10:00:13 AM »
Don ... Yes, they had the Mariner guy on front of the motor.

Dave ... Believe Johnson went to 4 strokes near the end of the brand, I think they were Suzuki built.
I've seen 70 HP 4S Johnson's on boats on Craigslist, but can't remember the model year ...
Not sure if it was OMC or BRP that owned them at the time ?

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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 06:13:30 PM »
I thought I remembered a Mariner Guy............I think I have seen him in ads as well, I will keep my eye open for him.

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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2014, 06:30:47 PM »
example, mariner guy
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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2014, 06:35:37 PM »
Believe Johnson went to 4 strokes near the end of the brand, I think they were Suzuki built
Correct.
'81 C500_given away, bought back_75.1 mph
'81 Baja 15SS_140 Frankenrude_66.7 mph
'70 something SpeedCraft_(Allison 16R Clone)_69.0 mph
'79 CVZ19_given away
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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2014, 11:56:45 PM »
Black Max ...



Mariner ...



Sea horse ...

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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2014, 12:12:32 AM »
OK ...
NO .. That Mariner guy aint working ...

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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2014, 09:47:10 AM »
Something doesn't seem right.
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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2014, 12:08:37 PM »
Looks a lot like the old 1960's Mercury (Ford) logo.



This guys is embossed into my seats on the 03 Marauder

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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2014, 08:33:28 PM »
OK ...
NO .. That Mariner guy aint working ...
I hear ya. Looks like a bad rendition of a young Earnest Hemmingway ...?
'81 C500_given away, bought back_75.1 mph
'81 Baja 15SS_140 Frankenrude_66.7 mph
'70 something SpeedCraft_(Allison 16R Clone)_69.0 mph
'79 CVZ19_given away
'71 V153_54.8 mph_wrecked


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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2014, 07:21:32 AM »
Had a visit the other day from a Mariner Optimax........Along with the White Sea Ray cowls there was also Tracker cowls.....Gregg, maybe that guy would look better on your motor if you make his hat Blue? LOL

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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2014, 08:39:48 AM »
How about this fisherman ?


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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2014, 06:06:58 PM »
It looks like Mariner did not always have the full line that Mercury did.........I am thinking Johnson/Evinrude always matched?  I have not done the homework but.....

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Re: Mariner ... Mercury's version ...
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2014, 01:26:48 PM »
I am thinking Johnson/Evinrude always matched?
Not always. Johnson joined OMC in 1935. The brands were consolidated a year later in '36. Before then they were two totally different companies.
'81 C500_given away, bought back_75.1 mph
'81 Baja 15SS_140 Frankenrude_66.7 mph
'70 something SpeedCraft_(Allison 16R Clone)_69.0 mph
'79 CVZ19_given away
'71 V153_54.8 mph_wrecked


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