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Offline wiliermdb

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1977 Johnson 140, opinions.....
« on: March 19, 2011, 10:43:56 PM »
Someone locally is selling a 1977 Johnson 140 and the asking price is $950.  Assuming everything checks out on it, how does the price sound?  He's been trying to sell it since January. Not many people want that old of a motor so that's why it hasn't sold as of yet.  I want to go check it out and get the scoop on it. I see the weight is the same as my 115 so that would be great.

Offline Jason

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Re: 1977 Johnson 140, opinions.....
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011, 11:58:24 PM »
Price seems fair to me so long as everything checks out.
Jason S.
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Offline MarkS

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Re: 1977 Johnson 140, opinions.....
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2011, 06:26:48 AM »
I've been accused of being a cheap a.........uh.........overly thrifty, so I think I would counter-offer $650 and be happy with something in the middle.  (Assuming it's in reasonably good condition, of course.)  Just my two cents......
Mark
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Offline Hyperacme

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Re: 1977 Johnson 140, opinions.....
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2011, 06:54:04 AM »
For the 77 Johnson V4 brochure go here and in IE click on "Page" then "Zoom" and increase size to 150% for a larger size.
http://community.webshots.com/user/LIQUIDNIRVANA2?start=546

« Last Edit: March 31, 2011, 05:36:33 PM by Hyperacme »

Offline David CVX-16

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Re: 1977 Johnson 140, opinions.....
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2011, 11:48:07 AM »
Buying a used outboard is liking buying a used car. It may be a good deal or a bad deal. This motor new is around $7,000 to $8,000, and if the motor needs no repair or little repair, it is a good deal. I recently purchased a 1988 Mercury 115 HP for more than $950 and since the motor was already taken off the boat, did not get a chance to test it. I am relying on the word of the seller, judging his honestly, his reason for selling, and the past history of the motor. Buying used items is an art in addition to being a science.
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Offline 84carlson

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Re: 1977 Johnson 140, opinions.....
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2011, 02:10:29 PM »
I had a 1977 Evinrude 140 on my cvx 16 and I also had a 1984 Johnson 140, I believe they changed the rating from the power head to the prop around 1979, the 77-140 was no better than my current 1999-115.  The price is fair, but as for the performance I would go for a newer one.

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Re: 1977 Johnson 140, opinions.....
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2011, 07:20:16 PM »
Found this on CL tonight ...

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Good OMC Looper Tech Info Here

Information about the different eras and model changes that have evolved through the production run of the V-6 90 degree looper.

The design was released in 1986 as a 2.7 liter motor in 200 and 225 HP versions.


The motors had great potential but had teething problems relating to being over carbureted for large, heavy boats.

If you had one on a light ski boat you had a rocket on your hands!

The blocks were open deck with bridged exhaust ports.

Most people only know of the wildly popular Merc 2.4 liter "Bridgeport" motors and the 2.7's have mostly been over looked by the performance boat crowd.

The 200's had the smaller, medium bore (approx.1.450") carbs and worked way better on the bigger boats than did the 225's which had the vaunted "big bores" (approx. 1.640") that the racers worship.

One of the great thing about these motors is that the stock cylinder sleeves are 3.500" and are thick enough from the factory to bore to the 3.658" 3.0 spec's.
Add finger ports to it and you have one of the best "sleepers" on the lake/river ;)


In 1988' they went to 3.0 liters and to a new, smaller single oval exhaust port and a new ignition which cranked in some initial timing to aid cold starts and also a safety which dropped the motor to an idle in the case of over heating.

The porting configuration itself was also much more conservative most likely due to the poor reception of the 2.7's under heavy load.
They were great motors but pretty much shut off at 5000 RPM.

The big bore carbs were gone for good and now we only had the small (approx. 1.290") bores and the mediums. The good thing was that the only real difference between a 200 and 225 of that era were the carbs.
And yes to those thinking it you can bolt 25 HP's onto your 200 by swapping your small bores for a set of mediums!

In 1992' we got a much need and improved/faster trim system as well as an upgraded lower unit. The lower unit went away from the older two giant circlips in the housing retaining the prop shaft bearing carrier housing to two bolt in lock tabs that were easily accessible from the outer lip of the unit and made disassembly much easier.

1993' was kind of a banner year and gave us a brand new "closed deck" block and the two additional intake ports called "finger ports".

Now we had a pretty descent package to work from. Great trim, a descent lower unit, tons of low end and mid range grunt and on light boats set up properly you could turn them into the mid 6000 RPM range and approach their 6700 rev limiter.

In 1998' they gave us something special and it's name was the "225 HO" which was also release as a 250 to the big boat crowd.

These motors had all the good stuff from above plus we got as bonus in the way of horsepower and lots of it for a JohnRude.
They made 254 HP's at the crank and 247 at the prop on 87 octane! (I would still run hi-test)

That is approx. 30 HP above what we were used to getting up to that time.

In 1999' they were forced by the EPA/Carb to go to direct injected technology and their first version was the Ficht which ran from '99 to '01 before switching to the new and current E-Tech motors of today.



There Ya Go...some info to chew on tonight.


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Re: 1977 Johnson 140, opinions.....
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 09:15:45 PM »
For what its worth that motor is a 'crossflow'. Not a 'looper'. Same block basicly up til it was discontinued in '93 or so I believe.

If I could get the seller down to 6 or 7 hundred bucks I'd be all over that 140 ...
'81 C500_given away, bought back_75.1 mph
'81 Baja 15SS_140 Frankenrude_66.7 mph
'70 something SpeedCraft_(Allison 16R Clone)_69.0 mph
'79 CVZ19_given away
'71 V153_54.8 mph_wrecked


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