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Offline carlsoncvx18

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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2015, 07:15:22 PM »
Chad

I think acrylic and plexi are one of the same could be wrong.

Could it be that maybe you are talking acrylic vs lexan.

Lexan is much softer and much more pliable, but it scratches very easy and you cannot get rid of them by sanding and polishing.

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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2015, 07:24:08 PM »
What if you try a company that does water jet cutting. There is a firm near my home that does just that and they cut anything from metal to plastic. A flat piece such as your dash should be quite easy to do and they could even rearrange the location of switches and gauges to suit your needs. They also should be able to source the material.
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2015, 09:49:06 AM »
A question for all those recent flake coaters, codename whitey are your out there?

The original dash was spray painted black from the backside onto 1/4 plexiglass.  I plan to make one an exact replica of the original.  But if I have extra blanks, do you think it could be sprayed with a thin layer of red flake and red gelcoat onto the back of the plex?  Wonder if it would stick?  Wonder if it would chemically melt the Plex?
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2015, 10:14:00 AM »
Looks like it could work, prep involves sanding plex.

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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2015, 11:01:17 AM »
A question for all those recent flake coaters, codename whitey are your out there?

The original dash was spray painted black from the backside onto 1/4 plexiglass.  I plan to make one an exact replica of the original.  But if I have extra blanks, do you think it could be sprayed with a thin layer of red flake and red gelcoat onto the back of the plex?  Wonder if it would stick?  Wonder if it would chemically melt the Plex?
i have never tried it, but looking at Greg's post looks like it would work.
from my first experience with gel/flake there is no such thing as "a thin coat" though spraying it on the back of plexi would save having to make it thick nuf to sand it all off.
i have red flake if ya want to do a test.
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2015, 11:13:25 AM »
Thing is, we cannot sand the plex, because we will be looking at the flake through the plex.  It would be Okay for the coat to be 1/8" thick.

Could go with a layer of Flake in clear on the back first, then another coat of red behind it.
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2015, 11:35:28 AM »
Sand the back of the plex with 600 or higher grit. Add some flake to clear and spray. You could do Gel or regular base/ clear.  Don't see why it wouldn't work.  The in color bug shields for cars or trucks are usually just a clear shield painted the body color on the back side so it wont chip easily.

I have sanded base clear with as low as 400 grit and recleared it. Couldn't see the sand scratches when you were done. I would recommend staying with 600 grit or higher though.
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2015, 11:42:28 AM »
Thing is, we cannot sand the plex, because we will be looking at the flake through the plex.  It would be Okay for the coat to be 1/8" thick.

Could go with a layer of Flake in clear on the back first, then another coat of red behind it.
right, prob more than 1 layer with flake.
like Shawn said, need to sand, the clear should fill the sanding scratches. just need to do some test panels.
i dont think i have any clear gel left, but it would be easy to test with clearcoat.
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2015, 12:03:35 PM »
Since its going onto the Plex, it does not need to be Gelcoat.  It could be any suitable clear to carry the flake and stick.
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2015, 01:08:27 PM »
You could spray a coat of clear and while it is wet sprinkle the flake by hand on until you get the coverage you want. Then another coat of clear over the flake to hold it in place. You wouldn't have to mix the clear flake together. When I did the 18 I sprayed clear then sprayed the dry flake into the wet clear the a couple coats of clear over everything.   It is going to be on the back side so you don't have to worry about scratching it or sanding and polishing.
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2015, 01:23:57 PM »
Wouldn't it be much easier to just get a spray can of metal flake paint ?
Or is there a reason you want gel ?

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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2015, 01:28:07 PM »
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cant get "big" flake in a rattle can
Shawn
that would be so easy, could get 100% cover with the flake.
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2015, 01:55:50 PM »
"cant get "big" flake in a rattle can"

AAHH ...  OK ...

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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2015, 02:04:44 PM »
You can get metal flake, carbon fiber, chrome, etc looking vinyl and apply that to the surface. then no paint needed and change it to what ever you want when ever you want.



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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2015, 04:08:52 PM »
Wonder if I could get all the lettering and stencil lines, and logo printed on a wrap,and just apply the wrap to the back side of the plex? combinations for textures, effects and graphics unlimited even flake effects.  But.......  would fake flake be allowed?
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2015, 04:28:02 PM »
"But.......  would fake flake be allowed?"

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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2015, 04:41:40 PM »
Only prob with doing vinyl is you would probably have to apply it to the front. Unless you can find vinyl with a clear adhesive that is on the colored side to stick to the back of the plexi.
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2015, 04:44:18 PM »
Wonder if I could get all the lettering and stencil lines, and logo printed on a wrap,and just apply the wrap to the back side of the plex? combinations for textures, effects and graphics unlimited even flake effects.  But.......  would fake flake be allowed?

They used fake Burlwood vinyl on a lot of the boats so it may be Grandfathered in?
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2015, 10:14:16 AM »
I have been talking to Crowne Plastics of Plymouth MN about fabrication of the Dash.   They were recommended by Mtka Glass for a project like this, and their website makes them look perfect for the job.  I showed them pictures and measurements, and told them that I wanted at least 5 pieces in the first run.  Before even hearing how much I was willing to pay for the machine setup and the pieces, I got this reply:

"Chad,
               I talked to my programmers and they would not be interested in programming something like this.  Sorry.  You could bring them in and we could decide if we want to make a master template and keep that for future orders.
Let me know.  "

I think I will keep looking for the right fabricator.

Their planning to do "bearing Router" copys.    I think I could do that myself.
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Re: PLASTIC DASH
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2015, 08:39:54 PM »
Hi everyone. Hyperacme has invited me to join in here. More about me later. I do CNC for fun and was given a link to this thread. I'm also a Glastron guy. The dash or various dashes you point out so far look like a fun project. 99% of the work is the drawing. Looks like one tool and three MOPs; inside, outside, and maybe drilling.  That whole piece would cut in less than 10 minutes. Not making promises but I would like to give it a shot. I would need a drawing or trace outline to set up a prototype.

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