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Offline dorelse

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CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« on: November 07, 2010, 03:34:34 PM »
Gotta return the engine hoist tomorrow at 9am...so...quick responses are appreciated!

I've got the engine in the boat  (YAY!).  Only problem is the engine seems to be tilted really far forward, with the boat being fairly level.  Before I painted the engine bay, I could tell that the engine mounts were directly on the fiberglass.  But with the engine I purchased, it came with wood blocks for the mounts to sit on.  SO...does your engine sit on wood blocks or directly on the fiberglass?

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Offline Rich_V174SS

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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2010, 03:43:45 PM »
I'll field this one.
If the engine came with a couple of blocks use them or make up a new pair to get the engine up in the front. You will also need an alignment tool and a pair of wrenches to adjust the nuts on each engine mount. The alignment tool is required to precisely set the height of the front mounts so the drive shaft coupler is in proper alignment angle with the gimbal bearing and driveshaft so they are not strained. Also, if the engine alignment is not correct you won't be able to install the drive. To do this you have to insert the alignment tool in through the transom assembly and into the coupler, raise the front of the engine with the hoist until the tool can slide in ALL THE WAY into the coupler with little to no resistance, then adjust your mounts equally to fix the engine in this position. Then you should be able to install the drive without problem.

When I installed the engine in my boat I had to make a spacer from a 2x6 sealed and painted to match the rest of the bilge.

« Last Edit: November 07, 2010, 07:09:20 PM by Rich_V174SS »
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Offline Rich_V174SS

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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2010, 03:57:44 PM »
Here's an alignment tool set on ebay, there are others available at lesser prices, just search for Mercruiser alignment tool.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ALIGNMENT-GIMBAL-SEAL-BELLOW-TOOLS-MERCRUISER-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem483d728fcfQQitemZ310268563407QQptZBoatQ5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear#ht_4307wt_952
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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2010, 04:03:40 PM »
Mine doesn't site on any woodin blocks...Looks like you have the same engine as I do in my cvx-18
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Offline Rich_V174SS

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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2010, 04:06:32 PM »
It would depend on how high the tops of the stringers were built and the design of the mounts used on the engine. In any case if you can't adjust the mounts enough the achieve the proper alignment height then you have to use a spacer in between. You'll need the alignment tool to know for sure.
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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2010, 04:23:25 PM »
It would depend on how high the tops of the stringers were built and the design of the mounts used on the engine. In any case if you can't adjust the mounts enough the achieve the proper alignment height then you have to use a spacer in between. You'll need the alignment tool to know for sure.

Thanks Guys.

For now...the goal of the day is to get it in the boat and seated.  Its definitely to low in front, so, I'm going to place the blocks in.  If they have to come out so be it...for now...since I have the hoist, I'll just put them in as its definitely not even close to level with them all the way up.

I won't be working on this one through the winter, so I'll just do the best I can for now, and align everything in the spring.


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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2010, 04:34:42 PM »
Another thing to note is it's not so much dependent on the engine sitting level within the boat, it has more to do with the engine's alignment in relation to the angle of the transom. Since boats are built with angle in the transom in varying amounts from boat to boat the engine may not sit at the same angle from one boat to another. My engine actually sits high in the front after aligning it and it follows the angle molded into the top of the engine cover.

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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2010, 05:57:54 PM »
Another thing to note is it's not so much dependent on the engine sitting level within the boat, it has more to do with the engine's alignment in relation to the angle of the transom. Since boats are built with angle in the transom in varying amounts from boat to boat the engine may not sit at the same angle from one boat to another. My engine actually sits high in the front after aligning it and it follows the angle molded into the top of the engine cover.

Yeah, thanks Rich, after your earlier reply I went out and just kind of 'thought about it' and came to that same realization...the coupler needs to be at right angle to the transom.

I've put in the wood blocks and used a dowel only to sort of eye ball the alignment just to see if I would be in the ball park with or without the blocks.  With the wood blocks is the only way I even get close...so I've installed them.

I can't believe its in!  (I know there's a lot to do yet...but what a great feeling.  Wish my Dad were around to see it...he'd have been thrilled.)

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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2010, 07:56:19 PM »
FYI - You can see in this picture that even with the motor aligned it appears to be drooping at the front. So use an alignment tool like Rich recommended but don't worry if it still looks funny after you've aligned it.

 
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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2010, 08:29:04 PM »
I'm no expert but I've heard an I/O motor should be mounted so the crank is parallel to the keel. Tilt 'n trim takes care of outdrive adjustments ...?
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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2010, 08:42:20 PM »
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I'm no expert but I've heard an I/O motor should be mounted so the crank is parallel to the keel. Tilt 'n trim takes care of outdrive adjustments ...?

Not necessarily. On a Mercruiser the engine angle is determined by the transom angle. The drive shaft does have U-joints so the drive can pivot up and down and steer at the gimbal but the portion of the drive shaft in front of the U-joint that goes through the transom assembly to the engine is rigidly mounted, supported by a ball bearing pressed into the transom shield. Engine alignment to the shaft is critical between the shaft coupler on the engine's flywheel and the support bearing or premature wear and failure can happen to either component.

Volvo Penta systems are similar in that the engine needs to be aligned so the drive shaft centers precisely within the steering gimbal and trim pivot pins.

OMC on the other hand (prior to the Cobra drives of the mid 80's) have their drives and intermediate assemblies hard-mounted right to the engine instead of the transom so trimming the angle of the entire engine/drive assembly affects the trim of the boat. They have a large cut-out in the transom to allow for movement of the whole assembly. The drive section is sealed to the transom with only a large rubber boot which needed replacing after so many years or the rubber would crack, break and cause the boat to sink.
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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2010, 10:00:41 AM »
Hi Doran, I know how ya feel seeing the motor in that baby ...  Something to concider .. be sure to check out the condition of the Gimbal Bearing before you think about installing the drive, you can do that by simply sticking a couple fingers into the bearing, rotating it, feeling it's resistance, smooth or rough, and sometimes you can't spin it at all, thats when it needs replaced for sure, but this is the time to check it out.  The gimbal bearing will rotate "pivot" with-in it's own assy, thats how you can move it right or left, up or down to acheive proper alignment, the alignment tool may not even go into the coupler if the bearing it-self is not directed properly, but it's easy to change it's direction just by tapping the end of the alignment tool right or left, or up and down.

You may have noticed, on my boat, the motor is sitting very low in front,  thats because I changed the rake of the transon 3 degrees out at the bottom.  I done that, lowering the front of the motor, so when I'm running at speed trimmed up, the cv-Joint assy is running strait through with no angle, reducing wear on the U-Joints, and not robbing any hp from the motor.  I also raised the drive almost 3 inches, bringing up the back of the motor, thats why my boat throws a rooster tail at speed, the prop shaft runs strait about 4 inches below the bottom of the hull, but trimmed up, the end of the prop shaft is about the same depth of the bottom of the hull. All that to say this,  depending on the angle of the transom in your boat, probably 10 degrees, the motor mounts should be adjusted so the drive shaft slides strait into the coupler with the prop shaft parallel with the bottom of the hull, makes it easier to slide in that way.  Just a little more info ... if you will notice,  with the drive installed, the drive shaft comes through the transom assy at a 10 degree down angle, that allows the prop shaft to run parallel to the hull with the u-joints strait.
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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2010, 06:43:09 PM »
Thanks Red.  I have to rebuild the entire bellows, gimbal bearing everything...all the boots are torn and dried up.  10 years of sitting outside exposed to the elements will do that I guess.

So, I won't even be trying to align the engine until that's all replaced.  Luckily, I've got plenty of other things to do on the engine yet!

Maybe Goldie will make an appearance at next years meet...I just need a tandem boat trailer!
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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2010, 07:39:52 PM »
Sage advice Red. I've heard parallel and/or perpedicular at speed is a good place to be. Less wear & tear on the gerbil bearings, etc ...
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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2010, 07:50:17 PM »
Gerbil bearings!  LOL!!!
Reminded me of the boat the kids made in the "Our Gang" Little Rascals show if the 1930's that was powered by a pair of ducks under the hood.
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Re: CVZ-18 - Quick Question Plz!!!
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2010, 07:22:46 PM »
Gerbil bearings!  LOL!!!
Reminded me of the boat the kids made in the "Our Gang" Little Rascals show if the 1930's that was powered by a pair of ducks under the hood.
Yo Rich. Bet if ya fueled those ducks with ethanol they'd run like a sob.

A lil off topic perhaps but when I was a kid I had a pet Gerbil out of it's cage. Just lettin him run around my room y'know. Had to leave the room for a minute so I told him to "stay". Sadly and quite traumaticly, for both of us, he disobeyed his command and tried to follow as I quickly exited & closed the bedroom door. He was about 1/3rd of the way through when I closed the door on him. Literally ...

Ah well that was years of therapy ago but sometimes I still have bad dreams about the involuntary manslaughter of my Gerbil ...
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