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Title: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Hyperacme on April 22, 2011, 11:04:07 AM
The steering mechanism broke in front of the motor at about 100 mph, allowing the torque of the engine to turn the motor very quickly to the right!! The driver was not hurt that badly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnJ28FGRQFs&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: AndyBean on April 22, 2011, 01:45:11 PM
The guy was ok. No Vest. 
Ouch
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Jason on April 22, 2011, 03:17:12 PM
Don't think Glastron's are immune either! It can happen. Hit a wave the wrong way or get nose down to far and your done! Be careful everyone.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: TomLund on April 22, 2011, 04:30:11 PM
wow i wonder what goes through your head when that whole mess starts
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Hotwired on April 22, 2011, 04:46:09 PM
wow i wonder what goes through your head when that whole mess starts

Likely something like "OH SH@#$! This is REALLY gonna HURT!!"  :o
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: V153 on April 22, 2011, 06:45:34 PM
wow i wonder what goes through your head when that whole mess starts
It's purty surprising how fast humans can actually think. Hence the need for subliminal advertising. Don't underestimate yourself.

In addition to thinking "this is gonna hurt" during my latest wreck. I remember calculating which bones would be broken & where upon impact ...
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: TomLund on April 22, 2011, 07:48:32 PM
ya for me i am sure 2 drops of pee would come out before my pants fill up lol
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Jerry on April 22, 2011, 09:32:51 PM
It's purty surprising how fast humans can actually think. Hence the need for subliminal advertising. Don't underestimate yourself.
In addition to thinking "this is gonna hurt" during my latest wreck. I remember calculating which bones would be broken & where upon impact ...

Were you right?
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: David CVX-16 on April 22, 2011, 09:44:07 PM
Marvin Jorgenson, owner of Chopper City Sports in Fridley, raced Allison boats. In a race in Iowa he flipped at over a 100 MPH and was injured. After that he got out of racing and dragging Allisons (had a franchise to sell them) but retained the snowmobile drags and Boss Hoss motorcyles.

http://www.choppercity.com/

Snowmobile 190 MPH in the 1/4 mile

Boss Hoss 211 MPH in the 1/4 mile

Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Glastron_GT160 on April 22, 2011, 10:13:46 PM
Ouch...   surprised he wasn't killed.  The bare skin showing is good indication he was not wearing a life preserver.  At those speeds, while floating on air you're nutz if you don't wear safety gear.  Looks like he was ejected into the water before the boat started its first full barrel roll.  Probably saved his life to get into that water quickly.

Scary stuff.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Jerry on April 23, 2011, 02:38:38 AM
I remember Marv from Drag Racing back in the 60's. I thought he was nuts then. 
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: V153 on April 23, 2011, 07:49:05 PM
It's purty surprising how fast humans can actually think. Hence the need for subliminal advertising. Don't underestimate yourself.
In addition to thinking "this is gonna hurt" during my latest wreck. I remember calculating which bones would be broken & where upon impact ...

Were you right?
Well, no not really Jerry. But on the bright side I was conservative in my estimate(s). Thought fer sure I was gonna break a rib or two ...
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: wexrocks on April 24, 2011, 10:58:37 PM
I can only speak from experience here in this particular situation, and maybe some of you have experienced this, but a ride in a hydrostream is like nothing else. it makes more power out of any motor out there, and it is ALWAYS a wild ride. it's a pad hull, and while some CVX's had a pad as well, the hydrostream was WAY lighter. they were built for one reason... going fast on glass water. even my 20' Vulture was a handful with the stock '79 200 Merc. I love the style of the hydrostreams, and I honestly thought that going with the Vulture (20') would tame them a bit, and make for a more useable hull. but I ran it one weekend and decided it was not the boat I needed. I can't describe the feeling of a 20' boat at 70mph that feels light as a feather, and yes, it serves it's purpose very well, but it just feels like it is on the edge of what happened in this video. while steering failures could happen to anyone, I'll take the feeling of control any day over waiting for this to happen without a failure! just my thoughts...
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: robsonmor259 on November 30, 2014, 08:16:01 AM
It worked on my computer. For some reason did not want to play on my smart phone. That was very scary!
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Hyperacme on November 30, 2014, 08:55:16 AM
My phone won't show the imbedded YouTube links, but will show and play link to the Youtube site.
Might need an "App" or something ...
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: GCarlover on November 30, 2014, 04:27:50 PM
We had a local with an overpowered Checkmate I/O that went out of control on the Missouri River at about 115 mph that killed his passenger.  I think he got out of being prosecuted though.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: dorelse on November 30, 2014, 05:31:27 PM
Stuff like this is a reminder as to why I always wear my vest.  I don't like wearing it by any means, but, I like going home even more!
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Retro Performance on November 30, 2014, 05:41:34 PM
I remember when Marv was building the Jaws sleds with V6 Mercury powerheads, I was in Brooklyn Park @ Hawkes Marine........I have been over backwards one time....my mind did not work fast enough for me to think HMMMMM I wonder what is going to happen here..........Have to agree....make sure you have safety equipment in place.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: David CVX-16 on November 30, 2014, 05:47:58 PM
The steering mechanism broke in front of the motor at about 100 mph, allowing the torque of the engine to turn the motor very quickly to the right!! The driver was not hurt that badly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnJ28FGRQFs&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnJ28FGRQFs&feature=youtu.be)

Steering mechanism breaking could have been from metal fatigue. That's why I put in new motor connectors when replacing the steering two years ago.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Plugcheck on December 02, 2014, 06:08:03 PM
I know it adds weight, but why hasn't someone designed a system to limit steering angle as the speed goes up?  We came very close to 70mph in the Cvx this October, and its a bit scary, planning to build something closer to 300 HP.  Saving out drive would also be nice.  BTW, I knew the fella who dropped his passenger, went for a turn at high speed and caught a swell.  He was a local cabinet maker.  Anyway, coming home safe should be everyone's goal.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: V153 on December 02, 2014, 06:42:23 PM
Buddy in Englewood had the steering break in his hot rod flats boat. Boat went one way. He, the old lady, their great dane, and the entire center console went the other.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Retro Performance on December 02, 2014, 07:07:18 PM
When things happen at higher speeds the results are often "violent" ........I have heard more than one person say the chine walk became "violent" at some point. I think when Marv had the triple v6 snowmobile (Jaws Three) running towards 200 MPH they had a parachute they wore that was supposed to pull them away from a "violent event".............I remember him being at the store (Hawkes Marine) and we were kind of teasing him about laying on three v6 Mercurys going 200 MPH and this thing would gently pull him away if something happened. Truth is I am sure it would have worked perfectly if they needed it. I really miss the good old days....we actually had our name (Hawkes Marine) on either Jaws I or Jaws III as a sponsor as I remember.  Do most of you Stern Drive guys have ignition kill switches with a teather? I am guessing most of the outboard guys do?
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: 75starflight on December 02, 2014, 07:33:12 PM
  Do most of you Stern Drive guys have ignition kill switches with a teather? I am guessing most of the outboard guys do?

Oh yeah, put one in Phoenix 2 years ago, and Fawkes will get one also. I always have it clipped on to my life jacket.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: V153 on December 02, 2014, 08:00:19 PM
"Violent" is sometimes a good word to describe chine walk. And violence is magnified by speed. And everybody knows bad things happen faster at speed. I know ...

Far as kill switches go my guess would be most of the OB guys run em. Lotta the IO & jet guys too but mebbe not so many. Everybody should.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Hyperacme on December 02, 2014, 09:07:51 PM
Just have to remember to clip it on ...
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: David CVX-16 on December 02, 2014, 09:10:08 PM
The new Evinrude E-Tec G2 has the hydraulic steering built into the motor itself. No exterior rods or connections subject to corrosion and wear.

"By making the steering gears vertical instead of horizontal, Evinrude engineers were able to completely house the steering in one, sealed, corrosion-proof casing integral to the engine.

All-New Internal Steering

Another 21st century innovation of the Evinrude E-TEC G2 engines is the Integrated Hydraulic Steering mechanism. Now the hydraulic hoses coming from the steering assembly go directly to a casing integral to the outboard body itself. No longer is there an external rod and cylinder required for steering. By completely encasing the steering gears, Evinrude has eliminated the corrosion that is ubiquitous on an external steering gear."


http://www.boattest.com/engine-review/Evinrude/22500090_E-TEC-G2-225-H-O-_2014 (http://www.boattest.com/engine-review/Evinrude/22500090_E-TEC-G2-225-H-O-_2014)
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Jerry on December 02, 2014, 09:58:27 PM
SO now yer getting a new 250 motor for the boat that you're going to pull with your new Mustang?
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: David CVX-16 on December 03, 2014, 05:26:35 AM
I'm still saving for retirement. The cash needed to live into the 80's or 90's is out of sight.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Retro Performance on December 03, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
Circa 1981 (I think) Mercury came out with 300 hp V6......74 degree block (same as the Etech G2) cast by Cosworth........and a really cool "power steering"  There was a link from the normal steering to some cables which rotated the Trim tab to provide "power" steering via water pressure and it actually worked good. Anybody seen one of those lately? 
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Jason on December 04, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Any pics of "jaws III"?
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: David CVX-16 on December 04, 2014, 03:23:56 PM
Here are two pictures of Jaws III, although not that great. The machine is really long. Marv Jorgenson had it on display at Chopper City Sports in Fridley.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Retro Performance on December 04, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
Parts list for the water pressure power steering........it really worked well.......
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Hyperacme on December 04, 2014, 11:43:33 PM
I did some searching and couldn't find anything on that set up Don ...
The motor turned and the tab turned ?
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Retro Performance on December 05, 2014, 07:00:55 AM
  Here is an article (1980 Outboard preveiw) from 1979 that has some information on the Water Pressure Power Steering.  In the same Magazine there is part four of a feature called "18-footer around the continent"  It is about a SSV-188 that they take to various places and boat, I know I have seen the time they were on the St. Croix......I will have to see if I can find all the parts (different months) and post. I am sure I have a service Manuel for the Cosworth 300 as well.  Gregg, I also have an idea to make sure your CV will beat David...........
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Hyperacme on December 05, 2014, 09:26:56 AM
Huummm ... Any idea how long Merc used that set up ?
Did hydraulic steering come out (for outboards) and replace this system?

" Gregg, I also have an idea to make sure your CV will beat David..."

OK ... But ...  If I top Dave's speed, he will have to dip into his 2015 Mustang saving account and get a 150 HO E-TEC motor ....
LOL
Ya ... Would love to hear your ideas Don

Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Retro Performance on December 05, 2014, 09:39:40 AM
My idea is you buy that 300 Pro and bolt it on.............It is in stock waiting for you
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Hyperacme on December 05, 2014, 10:25:00 AM
I think that 300 would sink my CV ...
Might not be able to beat Dave, but this one would look nice on my transom ...

(https://mercurymarine-gsdesign1.netdna-ssl.com/media/filer_public_thumbnails/filer_public/3e/28/3e286ad5-3cdb-499e-b7f0-43421d380d04/115-pro-xs.jpg__255x0_q85_autocrop_crop-scale_replace_alpha-%23fff_subsampling-2_upscale.jpg)
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: David CVX-16 on December 05, 2014, 10:38:34 AM
To be forewarned is to be forearmed. 

Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Retro Performance on December 05, 2014, 05:05:20 PM
Ok no 300........would you consider twin 115'S ?   As far as I know it was only on the 300 and not for long.....pretty cool though that you could let go of the wheel (no Feedback)
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Hyperacme on December 05, 2014, 07:45:00 PM
Nice 115 ... But I still need new interior and windshield ...
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: David CVX-16 on December 06, 2014, 06:42:53 AM
Outboard motors have gained weight from the 1980 to 1990 era to the present day.  For example, my 1985 115 HP Johnson weights 301 pounds. In comparison, the new Evinrude etecs weigh 390 pounds for the 115 HP V-4 and 418 pounds for the 150 V-6. That is huge weight increase that affects how the boat handles. Sure they are smoother running, quieter, and get better gas mileage, but the added weight means less responsiveness in turning and slower speeds. For our classic Glastrons, I prefer the looks of the old over the new.

In Mercurys case, the old 115 HP in-line 6's weighed about 312 pounds and Greggs 115 HP Mariner 326 pounds. The new Mercury 3 cylinder 115 Pro XS weights 375 pounds and the Mercury V-6 150 Pro XS 505 pounds. Mercury seems to be shy is disclosing the weight of their motors, either disclosing it in kilograms, or not stating it at all.   
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Hyperacme on December 06, 2014, 08:37:07 AM
The 1988 Mercury's weighed in at ...            2015 Mercury's  ...                                                 2015 Mercury's 4S ...

I3   90 HP  / 1.1L                 = 265 lbs.
I4  100 HP / 1.7L                 = 340 lbs.
I6  115 HP / 1.6L                 = 312 lbs.       I3  115 HP ProXS  / 1.5L                   = 375 lbs.       I4   115 HP 4S / 2.1L      = 359 lbs.
V6 135 / 150 HP  / 2.0L        = 375 lbs.      V6  150 HP ProXS  / 2.5L                   = 431 lbs.       I4   150 HP 4S /3.0L       = 455 lbs.
V6 150 HP XR4 / 2.3L          = 378 lbs.
V6 175 / 200 HP / 2.3L        = 358 lbs.       V6  200 / 225 / 250 HP ProXS  / 3.0L  = 505 lbs.       I6   200 HP Pro4S / 2.6L = 635 lbs.   
V6 220 HP Laser XRi   / 2.3L = 380 lbs.
Title: Re: Hydrostream Vector crash
Post by: Retro Performance on December 06, 2014, 09:17:30 AM
In the seventies it was really hard to beat Chrysler when it came to power to weight........check out that 150 @223 lbs