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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: David CVX-16 on November 23, 2019, 04:58:16 PM
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The production run of the 2020 Corvette has been filled up. You had to sign up about 9 months ago, and when your turn to order comes, you can build your car. Apparently, your place in line can be sold to others - for a price. On e-bay, this place in line bidding is $49,900 over the car's list price. Kerbeck, the highest volume dealer of Corvette, is already taking orders for the 2021 Corvette.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2020-Chevrolet-Corvette/174098835071?hash=item288919667f:g:b1UAAOSwn1Jd0EP0
Ad from e-bay:
"Hello thanks for checking out my 2020 corvette c8 allocation! This car is a first run production, from a premier dealership ! Locked up my spot at Chevrolet and the dealership months ago. The car can be built to any Specifications you desire! The amount you are bidding on is the amount over MSRP. Bid with Confidence I’m along time EBay buyer and seller with years of experience. I also Reserve the right to end auction early, I have it posted locally as well. Good luck happy bidding ! Will consider all serious offers . Amount to be paid in full in 7 days . Any questions feel free to call 267 394 2378. Thanks Rich"
Just read Car and Driver's review of the 2020 Corvette. They like it, and a bargain at the base price of $60,000. 0 - 60 in 2.8 seconds, and 1/4 mile in 11.2
seconds.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a29462701/2020-chevy-corvette-by-the-numbers/
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David when is yours going to get here?
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In my teenage years, the Corvette was the car to drool over. My neighbor subscribes to Motor Trend and Car and Driver, and then gives them to me to read. I spend about one-half hour reading each, and then throw them away. I find the exotic cars interesting and appreciate the engineering and the specs, but do not wish to ever get an expensive car. Allison boats and Corvette cars, exciting to drive, but not practical enough or inexpensive enough to purchase. This was my first new car, a 1969 Dodge Charger. Paid $3,400 new - wish I had it back.
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C8's will be sticker price in a a short time. Once they're available on dealer lots prices will come down...the Supra is already sticker or below.
C7 prices have dropped considerably since the C8 was announced...perfect time to pick one up.
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Dave ..
How many speeding ticket were you able to collect with the Charger ?
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$3400 … WOW … That was a lot of money back when !
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The Corvette is losing more and more of its originality if you ask me. I prefer the good ol days. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191124/1902394930f8700d7df43c25cd326190.jpg)
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Dave ..
How many speeding ticket were you able to collect with the Charger ?
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$3400 … WOW … That was a lot of money back when !
I did not get one ticket with the Dodge Charger. I really was not that fast of a car with a 383 CI engine. Quality control was a problem with the Dodge - a lot of interior noise, always something going wrong. It was stolen at 50,000 miles and abandoned on the streets one week later. I sold it at that point for $1,400. Yes, Gregg, it was a lot of money back then, a new house in the suburbs was $28,000.
It is expected that the base price of $60,000 on the Corvette is going way up for 2021.
Kerbeck Corvette is offering $8,000 or more off 2019 Corvettes - here is their inventory. https://kerbeck.com/new-corvette-inventory/
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Gotta love corvettes!! I started out with a corvettes in high school where I pulled one out of a junk yard and rebuilt my first one, a 73’ it was hit hard in the passenger side... wish I still had a picture.. I’ve had 9 of them and they all have been the best bang for your buck to this day. Yes the 80’s lost there originality but they’ve come a long way Since 53’ . The new ones are fantastic and I’d love to get one.. but I’m happy with my 05’ and use it more then all the old ones combined. If you get one I highly recommend going to the museum..
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I’ve always loved the old Corvettes; stunning lines on that machinery.
I’ve owned this 1966 Impala SS (original 396) since 1977, I was 16. I drove it for two years before parking it for 20 years and restoring it. Eight warning tickets in high school (speeding, loud pipes, reckless, etc.), but no official citations. A different time, no doubt.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tJB3jnK7/99376-EDD-5905-4446-80-BC-F8-C888532-B0-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQ7z8vPq)
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David that's a nice looking Charger 8), bet you like the movie "Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry"!
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Did not see the movie, but just viewed the chase scene from the movie - great footage. The 440 c.i. would be much more powerful than my 383 c.i. 2-barrel. My Charger could lay down 2 strips of rubber from the start, but had no handling ability with its 7.00 x 15 Goodyear Power Streak 78 WW Bias-Ply. Radial tires were not an option.
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Gotta love corvettes!! ... If you get one I highly recommend going to the museum..
You mean this museum? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191124/08b978df64ba0d93a8b43d2f01505976.jpg)
Maybe one day I‘ll take my Corvette there.
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On Wednesday, November 20 the final C7 Stingray to roll off the GM Bowling Green Assembly line was officially delivered at the Museum.
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Silly boy... only if you bring this boat with you.
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Even a mid engine Corvette boat.
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Never been a Vette guy...
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I've always wanted a corvette, it has been on my bucket list for years. I finally did it in August, I had a 10k budget, knew I wanted a c5, you get a lot of car for the money. This one started at 12500 but I got it for 9k, only 78 k miles, a great service history, two tops. It has been a lot of fun, my first gm car in 25 years. It took me 53 years but I can check this one's off the LIST. People who own Vetts really take care of them, this car has no issues and runs great, I would drive it anywhere.
It's red not pink btw.
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Forbes brief history of the Corvette, C1 - C7.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/msolomon/2017/05/23/corvette-65th-anniversay-history-of-the-corvette/#129fbbe37d22
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Another old vette lover here, but now just a dream.
One thing I always wondered, why didn't the 58-62 years get their own C number?
And conversely, why all the new C numbers in the later versions?
Dan
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Another History of the C1 to C8 Corvette in slides from car and driver
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g22035705/fully-vetted-the-visual-history-of-the-chevrolet-corvette/?slide=1
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What to give a Corvette lover for Christmas.
🎄Vette Christmas Tree🎄!
Get yours here ➡️ https://tinyurl.com/vettexm
Hurry! Christmas is coming! 😍
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New 2019 Corvette 12 miles away, MSRP $60,185, now only $46,447, $13,738 off list price.
https://www.meritchevrolet.com/VehicleSearchResults?search=new
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Off Topic of the Off Topic - 2020 Corvette
"Ford Now Makes an Cast-Iron Coyote V-8 Block for Drag Racers. The Ford Mustang's 5.0-liter Coyote V-8 is a fantastic engine, but being made of aluminum, it has its limitations. Though lighter than iron, aluminum is also more malleable, which is why an alloy block can't handle as much horsepower as an iron equivalent. Ford Performance recognized a market for those looking for a Coyote V-8 that can withstand higher power levels for sustained periods, so it just introduced a new block made from cast iron instead of aluminum.
Called the "Werewolf," the block gives drag racers a solid option for big power numbers. Nicknamed "Werewolf," this isn't your average iron block. The material is Class-50 iron, meaning it's a lot stronger than the stuff you'd find in normal engine blocks. Changes to the design include 12-mm head bolt holes, billet steel main caps, drilled oil passages, and a raised crankcase ceiling to create more clearance for the rods. The cylinders can be bored to 95 mm and stroked to 99 mm, for a maximum displacement of 5.6 liters. The 100-mm bore spacing, main bearing bore size, and deck height have been carried over from the normal Coyote design unchanged.
It's clear this engine is aimed squarely at drag racers looking for more reliability from their high-output engines.
The engine will likely be used by builders looking to achieve around 1500 to 2000 horsepower, citing that as the reason why the cast-iron weight penalty isn't an issue. (If you're already doing wheelies off the line, what's another 100 pounds in the nose?). Ford Performance expects the block to become available to customers starting in the first quarter of 2020, priced between $5000 and $6000."
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Do they still put 4 cylinders in those mustangs...
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I believe both the mustang and Camaro both have 4 cyl turbos.
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"The Ford’s 2.3-liter EcoBoost makes 310 HP and 350 lb-ft (475 Nm) of torque, while the Chevy’s 2.0-liter produces 275 HP and 295 lb-ft (400 Nm). Do the Mustang’s superior power and torque levels make much difference in real life, though? If drag racing is a big part of your life, yes – otherwise, not that much."
https://youtu.be/rnBoSuaNYik
Start watching at 1:24 to miss the Moses part.
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Those 4cyl mustangs have more power than my 03 Marauder had with a DOHC 4.6 also used in the Mustang Cobras from that time. Crazy what can change in 16 years.
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My 2017 Honda Accord V-6 3.5 with 6 speed manual transmission is rated at 278 HP and 251 pounds of torque. The V-6 was replaced by the 4 cylinder turbocharged 2.0, and the specs are now 252 HP and 273 pounds of torque.
A side by side acceleration of the V-6 and the 4 cylinder shows the 4 slowly pulling away from the V-6. Plus better gas mileage and 180 less pounds of weight.
But there is something about owning a V-6, the sound of the exhaust, the reliability of the engine, the understressing of the engine over the 4 cylinder. Plus I like the styling of the coupe vs. the fastback look of the 4 door sedans models in 2018 and beyond.
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My 2017 Honda Accord V-6 3.5 with 6 speed manual transmission is rated at 278 HP and 251 pounds of torque. The V-6 was replaced by the 4 cylinder turbocharged 2.0, and the specs are now 252 HP and 273 pounds of torque.
A side by side acceleration of the V-6 and the 4 cylinder shows the 4 slowly pulling away from the V-6. Plus better gas mileage and 180 less pounds of weight.
But there is something about owning a V-6, the sound of the exhaust, the reliability of the engine, the understressing of the engine over the 4 cylinder. Plus I like the styling of the coupe vs. the fastback look of the 4 door sedans models in 2018 and beyond.
The new Civic Coupe is pretty good looking!
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My 2017 Honda Accord V-6 3.5 with 6 speed manual transmission is rated at 278 HP and 251 pounds of torque. The V-6 was replaced by the 4 cylinder turbocharged 2.0, and the specs are now 252 HP and 273 pounds of torque.
A side by side acceleration of the V-6 and the 4 cylinder shows the 4 slowly pulling away from the V-6. Plus better gas mileage and 180 less pounds of weight.
But there is something about owning a V-6, the sound of the exhaust, the reliability of the engine, the understressing of the engine over the 4 cylinder. Plus I like the styling of the coupe vs. the fastback look of the 4 door sedans models in 2018 and beyond.
It's pretty amazing what these little four cylinders can do. Take our Subaru Outback with its 2.5i boxer engine and CVT Transmission. It pulled a single axle u-haul trailer from Central City, NE across southern Minnesota to West Salem, WI empty and then pulled it back to Central City, NE with around 1000 lbs in the trailer and never flinched. I set the cruise at 60mph and got better gas millage than my Yukon going down the road with out a load. I believe we averaged around 18mpg.
I am really contemplating purchasing a second Subaru after that trip.
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I went to Honda's web site to see what a Civic looked like ..
They have a "Type R" that looks kind of interesting so clicked on that.
Then clicked on "Compare" …
WOW !
2018 Honda Civic Type R = 306 HP.
2018 Volkswagen Golf R = 292 HP.
2018 Subaru WRX STI Limited = 305 HP.
2018 Ford Focus RS = 350 HP.
Ford's web site only has a 2019 Focus ST at 197 HP.
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It's pretty amazing what these little four cylinders can do. Take our Subaru Outback with its 2.5i boxer engine and CVT Transmission. It pulled a single axle u-haul trailer from Central City, NE across southern Minnesota to West Salem, WI empty and then pulled it back to Central City, NE with around 1000 lbs in the trailer and never flinched. I set the cruise at 60mph and got better gas millage than my Yukon going down the road with out a load. I believe we averaged around 18mpg.
I am really contemplating purchasing a second Subaru after that trip.
The Outback we had towed the CVX18 through 9 states and did more than 6.500 miles with the Carlson in the back without any trouble.
You guys just have to get used to it. My Intimidator was pulled by a VW Passat 4WD. Super gas mileage, fast travel, no problems for thousands of miles towing it. Everyone here tows boat with “small” cars and it’s perfectly fine.
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Hello , I love the new Corvette! And it’s about time ! Zora’s wanted to build one since the late ‘50’s, early ‘60’s. I’m sure he’s smiling now! I’ve been into Corvettes since Route 66. My dads first was a ‘58 and his last a ‘69 roadster that I have now. My first was a ‘62 and my other current one is a 2000 roadster . Hope to have a mid engine before I die! Lol
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The Outback we had towed the CVX18 through 9 states and did more than 6.500 miles with the Carlson in the back without any trouble.
You guys just have to get used to it. My Intimidator was pulled by a VW Passat 4WD. Super gas mileage, fast travel, no problems for thousands of miles towing it. Everyone here tows boat with “small” cars and it’s perfectly fine.
You are right Aaron, we just need to get used to using the smaller car. yes you may have to go a little slower but in the grand scheme of things you do not lose that much time.
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Car and Driver really like the Honda Civic Type r., 0 - 60 in 4.9 seconds. But the list price is $37,230. The styling is in your face.
https://www.caranddriver.com/honda/civic-type-r
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Has this discussion degenerated, from Corvettes (had a '60 and '68) to small cars and 4 cyl engines.
I'll keep my good old 1/2 ton pickup thank you.
Dan
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Lets make this tread more than a 2020 Corvette discussion post. I suspect that many of the people that have boating as a hobby also are interested in cars, whether new, old, basic or exotic. The common ground between boats and cars are that they both have engines and haul people, either over land or water.
With that in mind, this thread can be used for any thought or picture related to cars or pickups, or anything with a motor.
Many on this thread have contributed interesting information that would not have been shared if this forum were only for Glastrons.
My next posts may exhibit stock pictures of the sequence of my cars over the years.
Below is a stock picture of my first car which I had in college from the years 1965 to 1969, a 1960 Pontiac Catalina, red, 2-door chrome post sedan, 389 c.i., 10 miles per gallon, but gas was about $.29 cents per gallon. Bought it for $1,200 and sold it for $400. What a boat - a mile long!
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What my 1st car looked like. (image from the web)
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And the most interesting bike (again, image from the web)
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I went to Honda's web site to see what a Civic looked like ..
They have a "Type R" that looks kind of interesting so clicked on that.
Then clicked on "Compare"
WOW !
2018 Honda Civic Type R = 306 HP.
2018 Volkswagen Golf R = 292 HP.
2018 Subaru WRX STI Limited = 305 HP.
2018 Ford Focus RS = 350 HP.
Ford's web site only has a 2019 Focus ST at 197 HP.
Focus RS made from 2016-2018 with Mustang 2.3 turbo and 350hp. Focus was discontinued in the US in 2019.
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You are right Aaron, we just need to get used to using the smaller car. yes you may have to go a little slower but in the grand scheme of things you do not lose that much time.
I've always noticed that as well. Tow vehicles in Europe are much smaller. Are they rated for more weight in Europe? Only thing different here is we tow 5000 lbs at 80mph! Not sure if a Passat can do that.
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Europe uses towing figures based on much less tongue weight, and moves the trailer axle forward accordingly. This allows much lighter vehicles to handle the tongue weight of the trailer.
They also limit speeds when you're towing thus controlling the load better with speeds limited.
I believe that trailer brakes are required on lighter trailer loads than in the US as well, so the vehicle has less braking forces from the trailer.
Different philosophy on how best to control the load.
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And double bottom rigs are not uncommon; ie, a truck pulling a camper (usually 5th wheel) with the boat behind the trailer.
As for pulling a trailer with a little car, that's just an accident waiting to happen.
I once witnessed a van and camper go end for end and roll several times after it passed a semi.
Their weekend got ruined in a split second.
Dan
Only thing different here is we tow 5000 lbs at 80mph!
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The Subaru Outback is rated for a 2700 lb towing capacity. My daughter bought one for that reason. When we started looking it is the only vehicle in that class that could pull. Everything else was rated at 1500 lbs.
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The Focus RS must have been all wheel drive ..
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Sorry Dan but that’s just a myth. As I said, in Europe hundreds of thousands of trailers of all kind being pulled every year and I’d bet 100$ right away that we have less accidents with trailers than the US. Trailers and cars have to be inspected every two years by a safety organization. In Germany you need a special drivers license when towing a trailer above 1.650lbs.
Brakes are required above 750Kg/1650lbs.
My old Passat was rated for 2.100Kg/4.700lbs and I did 90 mph without any trouble (have to mention that the speed limit is 50 or 60 mph when towing a trailer). And the best? It still got 18mpg.
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The Focus RS must have been all wheel drive ..
Yup
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In Germany you need a special drivers license when towing a trailer above 1.650lbs.
That's actually a really good idea. We should have the same here. I am sure most trailer accidents are driver error.
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Trailers and cars have to be inspected every two years by a safety organization. In Germany you need a special drivers license when towing
I agree with both of these. You see too many people pulling trailers, campers, ect. that are too heavy for the tow vehicle. For example 1/2 ton pickups pulling a bumper or 5th wheel camper down the interstate with their front end pointing up in the air and reducing steering.
I always get a kick out of going to camper and rv shows and hearing salesmen telling someone that their 1/2ton ford can pull a 35ft camper that has 1/2ton towable signs all over it. I have saved a few people from making bad mistakes.
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Well Carlson,
We're going to have to disagree. I stand by what I said. As for going 90 mph towing anything much less in a small car.................
I will say I believe the tow ratings manufacturers put on cars are about double what they should be.
Dan
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Well Carlson,
We're going to have to disagree. I stand by what I said. As for going 90 mph towing anything much less in a small car.................
I will say I believe the tow ratings manufacturers put on cars are about double what they should be.
Dan
You're basing your opinion on the US philosophy for towing...doesn't really apply to the way they calculate it (and adjust laws accordingly) to keep their drivers safe in smaller tow vehicles. Just different schools of thought on how to do it safely. Both work perfectly fine.
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Well then you must be correct Dan. Just looking at the motor vehicle fatality rate tells the extreme opposite but okay
And saying this more than 90% of the Europeans tow with a “small” car.
Just to give you a brief number - in 2017 we had 197 accidents involving 2 deaths with car/camper combination in Germany.
Quote US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration:
“Nationally, between 1975 and 2013, more than 17,000 people have been killed in accidents involving a passenger vehicle towing a trailer, according to estimates by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Since 1975, there have been more than 1.3 million such accidents.“
But that’s enough for now don’t want this 2020 Corvette thread to get too far out of hand.
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"C8 dealer markups stink, but you’d hate the alternative more"
Lengthy article on the anticipated dealer markup on the 2020 Corvettes. Apparently the factory has no control over the markups, and the rumor is markups of 25 to 45%, meaning the $60,000 base price of the Corvette inflates to $75,000 to $87,000. Article mentions that some dealerships may sell at just MSRP.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/c8-dealer-markups-stink-but-youd-hate-the-alternative-more/ar-BBYWVcz?ocid=spartandhp
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Remember, eventually these will be on Craigslist for $12-15k
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Jason, you should have kept your Mercury Marauder.
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2020/01/22/2003-04-mercury-marauder-values-suddenly-spiking
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I think about that car just about every day!
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This is my poor imitation of a Mercury Marauder - 1999 Ford Crown Victoria with some rust and dents. 84,000 miles. Love the car. Easily pulls the CVX-16. The Honda Accord is covered in the garage for the winter, and the Crown Victoria with snow tires is the winter beater.
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Well........it's no Dodge Monaco, but you do see the Crown Vics at police auctions.
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See the 2020 Corvette on tour.
https://www.stillwatermotors.com/corvettetour
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One of my coworkers got this in the mail the other day.... anyone know what it is?
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Is he ordering a gt40 from ford.
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Pretty cool!
https://performance.ford.com/enthusiasts/media-room/2017/01/one-of-a-kind-ford-gt-order-kit.html
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Yep.... he has one on reserve for him now just has to pick out options. Pretty cool ! He has one now, I think 05 maybe 06. so he got a better chance to get the new one. A little to rich for me though, you could buy at least 3-2020 corvettes for the price of one gt.
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In a few years, Ford will fly you all expenses paid to a GT40 showroom displaying cars in all the colors and options first hand. Remember, all this stuff is built into the purchase price.
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If you were eagerly waiting for a 2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray, it may be that you'll receive a 2021 model instead.
© Provided by Roadshow Sigh. Chevrolet
According to a leaked email from General Motors to dealers, the automaker has ended all 2020 Corvette orders amid incredibly high demand. A Corvette Forum user first published the email on Wednesday and Roadshow confirmed the news with a Chevy representative. A spokesperson told Roadshow that Chevy has "decided to stop taking sold orders after March 18, 2020." To help remedy the problem, orders for the 2021 model year will open earlier than expected and start in late May, according to the representative.
It likely means some customers won't take delivery of a 2020 model year car after all, as the email cited a forthcoming system to turn 2020 Corvette orders into new, 2021 Corvette orders.
The email says the move will "avoid false customer expectations" and GM assigned blame to last year's UAW-GM work stoppage during an extended strike. Last year we'd already learned the C8-generation Corvette wouldn't begin production on time in December, and instead, the first cars began rolling out of the Bowling Green, Kentucky, factory this February.
Cars have only just started reaching giddy owners, but aside from high demand, it'll likely be a little longer due to the coronavirus outbreak. GM said on Wednesday it will stop production temporarily through at least March 30 at all of its North American plants.
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Man took delivery of his 2020 Corvette and was victim of drunken driver 26 hours later.
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As a corvette owner...... that’s just sad.. :-/
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OUCH ! ! !
Hope he has insurance and a good lawyer ..
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Ouch, was this anyone we knew? Hope it all turns out ok
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Accident happened in Florida.
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Oh man!, if that was me, I’d be in the cell next to him for trying to kill him!, lol. Sorry man....at least you weren’t hurt....
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In 1965, my dads ‘58 got hit by a drunk driver to. It was parked in front of our house when he hit it.
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Surprise! 2021 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Won’t Get Price Hike Motor Trend Staff 1 day ago
In big news for Corvette fans: There will not be a price increase for the 2021 Chevrolet Corvette Stringray. It's a silver lining in the production storm that battered the launch of the C8 that was reimagined as a mid-engine sports car after 50 years of longing by Vette enthusiasts.
That means the base price for the 2021 Stingray coupe, which was the 2020 MotorTrend Car of the Year, remains at $59,995 while the convertible stays pat at $67,495.
Customers will be able to order the 2021 C8s in late July. "We initially said we would start taking 2021 Corvette orders at the end of this month but, again, due to the plant being down for two months, we're adjusting that timing to late July," Juechter said. 2020 model production will also be extended through most of the year o try to fill as many existing orders as possible.
A Welcome Extension of a Surprisingly Low Starting Price
GM surprised the industry when it announced its long-awaited mid-engine car would start under $60,000, in keeping with the Chevrolet mandate to develop a sports car anyone could afford. That led to reports that the price would have to be hiked for the second model year.
MotorTrend talked to sources who said the impressive base price was only good for the first year, and that the true cost of the technically sophisticated car was about $20,000 higher and would have to be recouped at some point. GM was losing money on low-trim cars and hoping to make it up on higher trims and options. But the events of 2020 have put the price hike on hold. Historically we hike the price in the second year, when the car is still hot, but we're not going to do that, Juechter said.
Torch Red is the most popular color, followed by Arctic White, Black, and Sebring Orange. For interiors, jet black is the most requested, followed by black and red two-tone."