Author Topic: 1987 Glastron/Carlson CVX-16 (Read 133752 times)

Hyperacme · « **Reply #160 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:08:47 PM »

" Must be a chick magnet on the water "

Don't let the wife see that Dave or you'll be selling the CVX and keepin' the V153 ... LOL

Mine also has a lot of slop !
Have to hang on tight at speeds.
Mine is a "Transom" mount.

Jason · « **Reply #161 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:42:08 PM »

Boat looks great on the water Dave!

Burned 16 gallons in 4.5 hours and you were the only one on the lake!! I would love to see that GPS route. I can see all the people in there houses going "There goes that racing boat again!"

V153 · « **Reply #162 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:09:09 PM »

Quote from: 74GlasCarlSS on May 30, 2012, 07:42:08 PM

Burned 16 gallons in 4.5 hours

Ehh, that ain't nothin'. I burned 6 in under an hour on the way to Boca Sunday. What're ya a wussie? ... Heh heh heh

Just kidding David. Boat looks great'n those are some good #s. I admire your puttin' her through the paces first time out. Ya a new boat takes a lil gettin used to, still not sure I got this dang Baja figgered out? Btw I think 54.8 was my best ever with the V153 so you're at a good baseline. I proudly pass the torch to you.

Carry on.

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #163 on:** June 17, 2012, 02:04:06 PM »

Not much happening on the CVX-16. Been concentrating on cleaning up and selling the V-153; had to put a new power trim motor in it ($425). Switching power trim motors is even worse than detailing boat trailers. For me, about 8 hours of fighting hydrolic lines, tight quarters, electrical connections, and filling up oil reserve.

Bought another used Raker 22" on a trial base to compare with the present Raker 22". But still at 14 props. Shipped a freebee to Don in NY that I got free on Craiglist.

Plan to disconnect the VRO on the 115 HP Johnson. My 1984 Johnson was the first year of the VRO and many improvements were made since then. Read how to do it and will take the boat and motor over to the Johnson mechanic to get his blessing on my intentions and method of doing it.

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #164 on:** June 19, 2012, 01:22:31 PM »

While testing props on White Bear Lake with Gregg on Friday, June 8th, the warning alarm went off on the 115 HP Johnson. Actually there three different alarms with different sequences, but I did not know that then. I was close to the boat ramp and limped back at idle. Today I took the boat and motor to Scott at Wholesale Marine in East Bethel, MN. I had four questions for him, one of which was "I plan to disable the VRO system." The hood was off the outboard and his remark was "you have already disabled it." Lo and behold the vertical oil line to the VRO was detached and disconnected from the fitting and V-ty clamp. Then I grabbed this line and it came off the bottom also. Needless to say, this confirmed my intent to mypass the VRO system. The VRO unit had been changed, the oil line from the oil reserve tank to the engine changed, but the vertical line within the engine was hard and brittle. Scott then turned the flywheel over and declared that the compression was good and there was no damage to the engine.

Scott and I went over the procedures for disabling the VRO system. Can not say enough about Scott's depth of knowledge of Johnson's.

Too close for comfort.

dorelse · « **Reply #165 on:** June 19, 2012, 01:48:10 PM »

So, if I read that right? You ran it without oil? Or did it fail when you were out on WBL?

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #166 on:** June 19, 2012, 02:10:47 PM »

There was enough oil in the oil reserve tank, about 1/2 full, and the boat ran fine the time before on White Bear Lake. But this time on the lake, the alarm went off soon after I started boating, and I immediately shut the engine down. There are three alarms - engine overheating, low oil, and oil pump malfunctioning, each with a different alarm. The alarm, I did not know it then, was for low oil. Alarm should have been for oil pump malfunctioning.

The previous owner took it in each fall for an engine inspection. They should have spotted the hard, brittle oil line.

MarkS · « **Reply #167 on:** June 19, 2012, 02:34:51 PM »

WHEW!!! Very glad to hear you caught it before damage occurred David.

Jason · « **Reply #168 on:** June 19, 2012, 02:39:30 PM »

yep, time to take that out. Mix it yourself. Then your alarm for running out of "oil" will be your engine running out of gas.

V153 · « **Reply #169 on:** June 19, 2012, 04:37:11 PM »

Whew is right! Good thing the alarm worked. That coulda gotten ugly. Yikes! In my case the VRO was already bypassed on the 90, and the 140 is one year prior to VRO so I never had to worry about it. Pre-mixing's been a way of life in my family for generations. Don't bother me none ...?

Ya I hear you about getting used to a new hull. Stepping out of a V153 and into a CVX16, or Baja15SS for example, is an eye opening experience. You don't climb on so much as climb in? Still feel a lil claustraphobic in mine, but I'm gettin better ... Yup the smaller steering wheel definitely takes a lil gettin used to. Lower seating position, etc. Kinda tough on us old farts eh David? Heh heh

Oh well, good that you found the source of the alarm before it caused any major doo doo to the motor. Carry on.

Hyperacme · « **Reply #170 on:** June 19, 2012, 04:37:25 PM »

WWWWWOOOO.....
That was a close call Dave !
Remember last fall same thing happened to my oil line ...
Did you ask him which version your VRO pump was ?
I know there was three versions. #1, #2 & #3 .

Dosen't matter now I guess ...
You took it pretty easy on the way back to the launch.

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #171 on:** June 19, 2012, 07:37:03 PM »

Scott said the VRO had been replaced, so I assume he knew the difference between the versions. Weaned the Johnson off the VRO system by disconnecting or blocking three areas, and poured 3 1/2 pints of Mercury Premium Plus in the 18 gallon bow tank (tank was full) (extra oil for good measure). Then hooked the boat up to the car and drove 1/2 hour veering hard to the right and left to mix the oil and gas while my wife spent money at the garden place. Then raised the bow and syphooned out enough gas to see it turn green from the oil added to the tank. Engine started right up and ran well. In process of decarbonizing it now. Lubricated engine points and cleaned out the fuel filter. We are getting back to the straight and narrow, the basics, our roots, the fundamentals.

The sound of outboard motors running, with the snarls, the smoke, and the smell is better than perfume.

Doug, I'm used to close quarters driving from the Celica (glorified go kart) but the V-153 sure is roomier. The price you pay for styling.

Hyperacme · « **Reply #172 on:** June 19, 2012, 07:46:30 PM »

Better safe then sorry Dave !
Will you test drive the V-153 ?

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #173 on:** June 19, 2012, 08:25:14 PM »

Will test drive the V-153 only for perspective buyers. I'm confident the 115 HP Mercury, the new power trim, the boat, and everything else is ship shape. V-153 sits in driveway, bow up to drain water from the rains, and covered. An eyesore, but looking out our kitchen window is an orange and white Chrysler boat with a 105 HP Chrysler sitting for years not used. What is Duane waiting for?

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #174 on:** June 21, 2012, 05:03:27 PM »

Took out the oil reserve tank from under the splashwell behind the rear seat. This will leave more room for a spare prop, anchor, and cooler. Took a compression test of the cylinders - within 5 of each other.

84carlson · « **Reply #175 on:** June 21, 2012, 09:19:48 PM »

I use to have a 1984 Johnson 140 on my CVX16 never had a problem with the system, I upgraded to the newer vro in 1996 and it ran fine until the water jacket cracked on the bottom cylinder, there are small rubber tubes between the cylinders that divert water, apparently a little sand got in and froze over the winter. Ran it for three more years with JB weld, sold it and I think it is still going...

Now I have a 1997 Johnson 115 with the VRO system no problems at all, it has the System Check Display so you can easily see problems with the system...now I'm wondering if I shoud unhook it, seems regardless of the manufacture everyone likes to mix, I'll say one thing I don't go through alot of oil, and it runs and idles great...

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #176 on:** June 21, 2012, 09:37:05 PM »

Mixing my own gas and oil gives me peace of mind that the engine will always get oil. I also run alittle bit rich on the oil, one pint to 5 - 3/4 gallons of gas. It is a pain premixing it with a 18 gallon built in gas tank. The owners manual says to pour the oil as you are filling up with gas. Apparently the warm weather and the movement of the boat ensure complete mixing. But in the winter or during cold weather, the owner's manual says to premix in a separate container. Think I will buy a 6 gallon container and premix the gas and oil and dump it into the boat tank.

84carlson · « **Reply #177 on:** June 21, 2012, 10:21:55 PM »

I sure can relate to that, you know to replace a new 115 is about 12 grand and to find a good used one is a major challenge...Your boat looks great and being an OMC guy I think you will find them to be a great motor. We have had our boat in the family since it was new, I bet it will be a sad day when you sell your one owner glastron.

I keep debting on larger boat and woud like another project but when you only use it 10 times a year its hard to go wrong with a CVX 16. You have to admit every time we go to the lake someone wants to talk about the Carlson, I can go all summer without seing another Carlson...lots of Searays...

Joe

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #178 on:** June 22, 2012, 05:25:07 AM »

If I had the garage space at home, I would keep both the V-153 and the CVX-16. They have different types of behavior on the water. The V-153 is the racer, somewhat unrefined, basic, but gets the job done and gives you the thrills of speed and spray. Seems like you are going 80 MPH. The CVS-16 is more refined, fancier, and goes one mile faster (54.8 vs. 53.5 MPH), but does not make a big deal about it. Takes it all in stride. Both great boats.

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #179 on:** June 24, 2012, 06:42:16 PM »

Tested the Johnson 115 HP today with Gregg at White Bear Lake. VRO disconnected and was running a rich mixture of gas. Tested another used 22" Raker. Motor appears to be doing fine. Saturday night I tried to move the boat forward on the trailer and the rear roller went over the end of the transom. Scary thought of the bottom of the boat getting wrecked. Put a 2" x 2" board under the pad and jacked it up with a hydraulic jack and added another spacer board under the 2 x 2. Did not sleep well last night. Set the alarm for 6 AM and tested props with Gregg. After pulling the boat out of the water, Gregg and I adjusted the boat on the trailer the right way. Now the rear roller is about 2" from end with an automatic stop at the front.

The speed limit on WBL is 35 MPH and Gregg and I basically held to that except when going for a top speed with a prop. I hit 51.8 MPH with one Racker 22" and 51.6 fMPH with the other. Three MPH lower than the previous 54.8 because of the heat, full fuel load, and rich mixture of oil.

Gregg and I figured that the ratio of fixing the boats and maintaining them to using them is about 10 to 1.