Minnesota Classic Glastron Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Laine73GT160 on September 25, 2010, 11:55:16 PM
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OK it is not a boat but it will have a wild paint job with a matching Glastron and trailer.
These freaky little vans were made the year I was born and long gone by the time I started driving.
The motor is mounted behind the driver and passenger seat. Short, light, and mid-engine, and they came from the factory with a metal box over the back axle filed with 165# of cement to hold the rubber on the road. I have a 327 corvette motor that has been on a stand ready to run for years, waiting for the perfect little Hotrod. Backed by modern 4- speed automatic and it will be fun, fun, fun, and drivable. I have 2 both from AZ one low mileage excellent condition barn stored for forty years and one that sat outside for parts. The second one has a complete nose and I may lean it back, and shorten the van for a matching trailer/camper. But we have to think Glastron!
What color for the van?
What color for the boat trailer?
What color for the boat?
Wild, bright, 70?s, and metal flake are a must! Sorry no shag carpet on the interior. The van I had in high school had bright orange shag carpet that turned a sticky brown. Someone was smoking. ;) This van is UN-touched and clean. I have seen one done with the wood and chrome strips from a classic pickup truck and it was awesome dud.
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Ahhh the 63? Econoline. Don't let Jason see that he may want to derby it!!
Where's Harriet?
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Jerry you?re kind of shaggy. Do you remember how to draw flowers and please signs?
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Yep ...
Had one in high school, got her up to 60 mph once (not gps) going down a big hill but steering was so bad I had to shut her down ...
Mine had windows down the side and hauled my Honda CR125 to and from the dirt.
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Jerry you?re kind of shaggy. Do you remember how to draw flowers and please signs?
Get me some Boons Farm and some good weed I can draw anything. I may have some lace though.
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Jerry
Boons farm and weed and every cool kid in school had keys to my van there was always a party between every class. Did we go to the same school? And rum for a coke in a windshield washer pump on tap in the dash.
I love that shade of blue.
Add silver metal flake. For a little more of a 70?s look.
The white flower lace would make a cool wide stripe down the side of the van.
Is that a factory Glastron blue color and ascent lace flower?
White trailer with the blue metallic pin stripe.
White bottom boat, metallic blue top, white flower lace stripes, White motor blue cover and the same wide white flower lace on the sides of the cover.
There is a new glow in the dark paint technique that would work with the flower lace. It works best with a dark base (the blue) than the white lace stencil than ? white ? clear wet and the glow in the dark is sprayed as a powder using a powdercoat gun into the wet thinned/cut white than several coats of clear coat to cover the metal flake and glow powder than a day or two of cut and buff. There is a blue glow in the dark powder and this stuff lasts for 6 to 10 hours.
Hyperacme
Yah I know of the questionable steering/ handling. Ford claimed they were nose heavy. ?A 165# weight was fitted over the rear wheels to balance the front heavy vehicle?. Hard to believe a mid ?engine vehicle could be nose heavy. I think it was more the short wheel base and the cab forward. Downhill at speed the heaver back would try to pass the front. I think I will be putting add on trailer breakers on even my small boat trailer. My first van hade the motor in the front and a longer wheel base as they all are now. But that short cab forward looks so cool I will find a way to make it handle and tow. 60 downhill note bad a lot of them had 144 cubic inch displacement motors later 170 and 240 cid.
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Well, for starters the Blue is really purple. The boat is a true 50's flashback with a tach, and gauges on the dash and dual Appelton spotlights.
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Take it from a guy that put a 340 MOPAR in a 40 Studebaker, and a 348 Chev in a VW Bug, They don't all fit. That little space the 6 cyl fit in isn't big enough for the wider V8. You're going to have to move the motor back behind the seats, and build a wider doghouse. The paint job is the easy part.
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I love those old Ford vans. Been wanting one for a while. Aren?t they based on the Falcon body? I thought some of them were even called Falcon Vans. VERY COOL!
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Get me some Boons Farm and some good weed I can draw anything. I may have some lace though.
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LOL! OH MY GOSH! I JUST SPEWED COFFEE OUT MY NOSE!
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Am I wrong or are these the vans that if you had to panic stop, the rear wheels tended to lift off the ground? Or was that the pickup version?
When I had my Corvair, I remember the corvair club had an old ad showing how either the Ford pickup or the van would do that; where as the rear-engined Corvair pickup or Greenbriar Chevy van wouldn't with the engine weight behind the rear axle.
Supposedly that was a safety feature of the time.
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Jerry
I love purple even better. That is one cool, and has to be rare original (sucking up for the next question). Is that flower lace a vinyl decal? I still think the color and accent would work for the planed look of a tow vehicle with matching trailer and boat. That could be seen at the local car show or Glastron club event. Next time that beauty is out I would love to get some high quality digital photos of the color and lace.
You know this dream will be a five year project and a reasone to buy a secound Glastron but over the winter I would like to practice some of the painting. Maybe start with the trailer I have.
Of course metallic red and a GT150 is an option. But that purple is on the top of the list for cool classic Glastron colors.
74GlasCarlSS
Thanks yes they were the Falcon. I was actually looking at the one outside, thinking of what it would take to fix up when the owner walked me to the barn and showed me the good one. The original price was free to get the van out of his barn; it was taking up room for his car collection. I spent 8 hours yesterday freeing up frozen brakes on some cool cars. The van was in the back of the barn of course. It?s on my patio now, no Boonsfarm or weed but I can sit in it tonight, doors open listen to the eight track and enjoy an fire on my patio, hope to have the parts one next week. I had to pay him something. The pair was less than my GT160 and as that barn find story go's boat, motor, and trailer $700.
Dorelse
Yes there are a lot of stories of them being poor handling creatures, but they sold allot of them from 1961 to 1967. And they look so cool I had to have one. Did look at the front suspension last night OH MY GOSH! I beam, kingpins, and leaf springs. Poorly balanced, under powered, ill handling, but cute.
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They're definitely cool, no doubt about that.
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I bought some lace at the fabric store, sprayed some 3M Super 88 glue on the smooth side and rolled it on the boat. Then painted over it using the lace as a stencil, cleaned it up and clear coated.
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Those are cool and rare. Who make the one with the back chopped off and a swing down side gate? Think that was a ford. I had one as a toy. What were they thinking...going to load goats in the back?
Great tow vehicle. Are there any windows in the rear so you can back it up?
Orange shag...yuck. That is what I ripped out of the 79RV. Orange and black I thing or some other barf color mixed in. Looked like too much boonsfarm and weed in there. Full of mouse pee too. Still some inside the cabinets as that is the way they built these things. Walls and roof, then carpet, then cabinets and furniture on top of everything. NO GOOD to have around a toilet!
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Those are cool and rare. Who make the one with the back chopped off and a swing down side gate? Think that was a ford. I had one as a toy. What were they thinking...going to load goats in the back?
Great tow vehicle. Are there any windows in the rear so you can back it up?
Orange shag...yuck. That is what I ripped out of the 79RV. Orange and black I thing or some other barf color mixed in. Looked like too much boonsfarm and weed in there. Full of mouse pee too. Still some inside the cabinets as that is the way they built these things. Walls and roof, then carpet, then cabinets and furniture on top of everything. NO GOOD to have around a toilet!
The pickup with the side ramp, was the Corvair Rampside pickup.
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YES! i'll take one. Is the motor between the seats? Could bring a pet Llama along as a date. :D
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YES! i'll take one. Is the motor between the seats?
On the Rampside? Nope, the motor is in the rear...you can see the vents on the side.
Its the air cooled 110 found in the corvair car of the era.
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Laine
Maybe some round yellow tinted port hole windows in the side! Snappy!
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Right
It is a corvair after all. I kinda like covairs. Especially around 65
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Right
It is a corvair after all. I kinda like covairs. Especially around 65
Yes, the 2nd Gen body style was a cool car. I had a '65, and took my then girlfriend, now wife, to prom in it. Loved it.
But...getting off the thread topic.
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Thanks Jerry
You know cool.
You know the techniques; real lace is an old hotrod technique.
Thanks for sharing, when the new guy asks questions you can tell him to figure it out or share your knowledge.
Thanks
I will have some questions in the future, like you favorite paint for a boat. Even pro auto guys run the other way if you ask about paint for boats, it needs to be flexible yet hard, and lots of clear. I painted my corvette when I lived in AZ with some fancy urethane. It never cracked, and the clear was hard it could be buffed and buffed. The right modern paint has to be out there for boats. I think it is Four winds that have already gone to full painted boats top and bottom.
Thanks
Laine
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Sorry. don't paint boats.
Gel-Coat.
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Actually the FireFlite is painted. The hull is an Epoxy that you can't buy anymore. (EPA) The deck and lace is just Acrylic Enamel. Gel-Coat is cheaper and very easy to apply. If you can shoot Enamel you can shoot Gel.
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Cool ride Laine. Not sure but my cousin might still have a pickup version. Matter of fact there's a window tint guy in town that has a van. I'll try to remember to get a pic.
Yes I'm told that handling & acceleration can be improved by moving the motor aft ...
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They were designated "Falcons" btw.
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Uh yeah I'd say moving the motor aft would help, espceially THAT motor! Kinda takes care of the cargo space, but who cares?
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Don't go too far.
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I remember seeing that Little Red Wagon in the 60's I beleive. Awesome shot! The rear tires are coming off the ground!
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HA! That guy has a perm! Funny!
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WHANTED ANY INFORMATIOIN ON THIS PERSON PHOTOGRAFED IN THE LATE 70?S
It is believed his love for old Glastron boats or classic hippy vans may have brought him out of hiding.
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Here's a cool mid-engine.
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That's Troy Johnson from Brainerd. Complete Toronado drive in backwards to drive the PU. He also used Boat Headers on that 455 Olds.
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There is a crossover between car guys and boat guys! Cool is Cool
I will talk a little boat so as to not upset anyone. I am sold on seafoam. I used it to start this old van motor.
Changed oil and filter and added one can to the oil, as varnish and carbon dissolves the new old is turning darker faster than without the seafoam. A few oil changes and I should have a clean motor.
Pulled spark plugs so motor turned over easy, two cylinders had poor completion. Sticky rings? Carbon valves? No mater seafoom in cylinders gently turned over and the hardest part let sit over night. Equal compression (good).
Removed valve cover turning over easy no plugs. 3 rockers no oil (bad) think o yah medical guy needle and syringes and seafoam in to push rods (without removing rockers). Again the hard part waiting over night. Next day no sticky lifters. Oil on all rockers (good).
Voltage to coil and distributer time to slow down and think. New points, condenser, cap, rotor, plug wires, plugs under $60.
Thee gallon boat reserve can, three foot of gas hose, fresh gas heavy on the seafoam.
Gas , compression, spark, (yes it runs)!! Up to temperature thermostat opens good. Compression test at operating temperature good. Only runs with a little chock. Vacuum leak? Or sticky carburetor float? Tightened all vacuum lines previous owner was an air craft mechanic. Metal lines not rubber on this gem. Ran second can of gas heavy on the seafoam and now runs great and ideals no chock.
Now in the past I would have pulled the distributer, primed the old pump with my electric drill. Disassembled the head, valve train rockers, pushrods, and lifters. But by going slow and allowing the seafoam the time to work. I saved a lot of time and money. I am confident I have a good solid motor. I?m loving driving the van now and later I know it is worth the time to rebuild.
So seafoam works!!!
My 2 cycle boat runs better if clean. No carbon and varnish in the engine and carburetors.
And I have tested it on starting an old four stoke that had not run for years and believe it saved me a lot of labor time and money to safely get that motor running.
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Seafoam is awesome stuff. So is there tranny stuff called Transtune. Took the slip right out of my old Dodge tranny!
Glad to hear you got her running!
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Complete Toronado drive in backwards to drive the PU. He also used Boat Headers on that 455 Olds.
Olds works easily- GM
A favorite for ever in hotrods or kit cars is the Jaguar independent rear.
My speedshop guy said the stock ford 9inch and he knows of drive shafts only inches long working fine.
Ford bought Jaguar, so guess what, all new mustangs have jaguar inboard disk drakes independent suspension, don?t need no stinking driveshaft. Next few years bet a mustang or two will be found in junkyards.
My stock strait six is 130hp, and I being lucky on occasion is the only six that has a bolt on 150hp kit for about $900. Offenhowser intake , 1-holly 370cfm four barrel commonly used on dual four barrel set ups cars or boat, and hooker headers. Now we are close to 300hp with the reliable strait six.
OH well locale boat dealer friend just offered me 3 props to try on my boat. If I decide to prop/speed test this fall. With all the trees in the water I am trying to deside test/tune/store or store. I have a 22ss, 53mph at 5300rpm. He has offered me a 21ss, 23ss and24ss to test. Yes one of them was never made he had a 22ss repitched to23 when he was a racer. I need to check the waters or store the boat.
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If a Jaguar rear end will work what years and models? The lincoln LS is the same as the S-Type. The 4.0 V8 in jags is just about identical to the Lincoln LS V8 too. I think the newer (2005) mustangs share the same platform of the LS but aren't they still a rigid axle. Oh, Ford Sold Jaguar to Tata (india car company) last year or the year before.
Strandberg's salvage yard in Centuria WI specializes in Jags and Volvo's. Wouldn't be hard to find a rear end there.
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I only know of the Jaguar rear ends from real Jaguars. I have followed kit cars like the mustang cobra and others for years. I have found Jaguars on EBay for almost nothing. 2 weeks later people are asking for photos of the rear-end. So I know the kit car people have found the same car I found. Prices jump from hundreds to thousands for cars people plan to junk/ part out so they can keep the rear-end.
Recently on one of the Saturday mourning TV car shows they used a new mustang rear end on a project car. It looked identical to the Jaguar, the rear-end center section in a metal tube box, inboard disk brakes, upper and lower swing arms, to the wheel, independent suspension , open CV joint axels to the wheels. And as I said Ford owns Jaguar. Not surprising ford would barrow the only good engineered part from Jaguar. On the Jag you unbolt 4 bolts from the frame and the hole assemble comes out because it is built into the cage/frame.
I have no ideal which fords are using this independent rear end setup. The mustang for sure and probably any of the upscale cars that they want to handle well.
I have read Henry Fords memoires and he is of course famous for making any poses easer and more productive. It would be in keeping with the company philosophy to build and put that well designed rear end in every rear wheel drive car. Sorry racers that love the ford 9inch rear-end but its only fault is it is a solid axle and not independent. Please let?s not start a drag racer road racer discussion.
I have also been reading some old books on installing engines in boats. Now there is some innovative and creative engineering. Motors facing forward, backward, transmissions, transfer cases strait or angled, gearing, look at old wood boats, modern competition ski boats, the modern outdrives or jet pump. Boaters have designed some very interesting ways to turn a propeller. (It is fascinating creative and had to end with something boating)
We are a boat club. But any one that would buy an old Glastron , split it in half, rebuild it, restore it, has the same illness as a car guy.
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HENRY FORD IS THE MAN!
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If a Jaguar rear end will work what years and models? The lincoln LS is the same as the S-Type. The 4.0 V8 in jags is just about identical to the Lincoln LS V8 too. I think the newer (2005) mustangs share the same platform of the LS but aren't they still a rigid axle. Oh, Ford Sold Jaguar to Tata (india car company) last year or the year before.
Strandberg's salvage yard in Centuria WI specializes in Jags and Volvo's. Wouldn't be hard to find a rear end there.
Yeah, Jag's are now an Indian brand owned by Tata...Mustangs are still a solid rear axle, but with enough $$$, Roush will switch the rear end out to an independent suspension.
Top Gear tested the 2 versions, Ford Mustang Shelby vs a Roush Mustang (with much less HP), and the Roush beat the Shelby around the track.