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Offline wiliermdb

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CVX 16 performance
« on: October 06, 2010, 08:41:20 PM »
Hello from down here in Louisiana.

Been spending many late nights and even an hour before heading to work getting my CVX 16 looking good.  Had quite a time with the top side but it looks great now. More on that later with some long over due photos.

My question is about overall performance from CVX 16 owners.

I have the '77 model with the original '77 Evinrude 115.

Prop#1   OMC SST 13 3/8 x 17.  Max RPM is 5800 and around 41 mph gps.  Low and mid range power is outstanding. Will use this prop for kneeboarding, skiing and tubing.

Prop#2  OMC SST 13 x 19 (original prop and size is questionable) Unable to find any markings on this prop.  WOT is 5600 and 51 mph. That's with me (180 lbs) and 15 gal. gas, and about 15 lbs of gear.  Cruise at 40 and it purrs.  Holeshot was about 4 seconds and 45 mph in about 12 seconds. Now this was done by myself so the times are a bit off.

Took it out last Sunday with two friends and 15 gallons of gas. Total people weight was 480 lbs.  Top end was 46 at 5500 rpms and 40 at 5000 rpms.

What engines and props are others with CVX 16's  running and what kind of performance are you seeing.

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2010, 09:46:00 PM »
I have the exact same engine on a V-173, I have to fill my boat (5 - 6 people) before I lose any performance.  Sounds really odd that you'd lose 5 mph, I know it's a very light boat.  I also use a 13 x 19 prop, you might want to try a 12 3/4 x 21 if you're looking for more top end.  Your numbers sound very similar to some other guy's with 16 footers.

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2010, 08:10:21 AM »
I'm running a newer Johnson 115 on my CVX 16 with an Michigan Apollo Stainless Steel 19" propeller, I normally get about 46-49 MPH out of her with 2-3 people in the boat.  I am very happy with the performance.


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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2010, 03:33:33 PM »
What engines and props are others with CVX 16's  running and what kind of performance are you seeing.

1983 CVX-16 w/ a 1992 Johnson Fast Strike 175, turning a 14.5 x 24p wheel.  63mph on GPS with 4 people on-board at 5000rpm.

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2010, 05:58:26 PM »
Show Off!  :)

(Nice numbers, BTW!)
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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2010, 06:50:02 PM »
Hope this isn't a dumb question but we are talking stainless or aluminum props?
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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2010, 06:56:29 PM »
Should be SS.
I think SST stands for Stainless Steel Teflon coated.


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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2010, 01:31:12 PM »
Show Off!  :)

(Nice numbers, BTW!)

Well maybe a little, and thanks!  :)

The flip side is I paid for it.  I see what you guys are buying CVX hulls for and I reflect on what I paid for mine. 

Let me put it this way...  My uncle paid over $8k for the motor in 1992.  While I paid less than that for the whole package, I paid more than the typical $3k ready-to-run hull.  The motor has less than 500 hours on it, and the boat & trailer are in fine condition.  I guess it is tough to compare that to a much cheaper boat which needs some work done to it.

Now if you want to do a miles per gallon comparison, or a max speed per dollars spent comparison....  Well I will definitely be on the bottom of those lists.  :)

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2010, 03:12:53 PM »
Joe,

How do you like the overall peformance of the Apollo?  I was considering that prop as well as the OMC Viper.  A local dealer has a test prop for the Viper in a 13 x 19 that I'm going to try out on Saturday. Since it appears about 10 - 15 % of my 33 year old prop is worn off I think the new Viper may get me upwards of the 55 - 57 mph range.

I'm running a newer Johnson 115 on my CVX 16 with an Michigan Apollo Stainless Steel 19" propeller, I normally get about 46-49 MPH out of her with 2-3 people in the boat.  I am very happy with the performance.


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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2010, 06:04:31 PM »
I know there is a slight differance in hull design between the cv and cvx. If I remember correctly the only differance is that the cvx has a pad and the cv does not which should make the cvx faster with the same H.P. Hanging off the back of the pickel is a 1987 Merc 115 IL6 spinning a 21p ss Rapture @ 5500 to 5700 rpms with me alone at 140 lbs and about 3/4 tank of fuel ( 18gal tank) running 57 mph on gps trimmed out.  I would love to go for a ride in the cvx with the 175 now that would be fun!     

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2010, 09:34:07 PM »
1979 cvx 16,,johnson115hp...19 chopper...////49 to 51 on gps,,2gallons in fuel tank,52gps

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2010, 09:50:09 PM »

wiliermdb

I'm very happy with the 19" Apollo stainless steel prop, we do allot of skiing and it has great low end power with good overall top speed.  I do like the breakaway hub, never had to use it but hopefully it will save my lower unit someday.  The only issue I had was I needed to adjust the skeg, it pulled pretty hard to the left when it was first installed.  I do notice it holds the speed much better when pulling the kids around.

Joe  
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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2010, 10:02:36 PM »
Eric

I would love to put a 150 on my CVX16, I purchased it new with a Johnson 140 and at that time my Insurance Company was hesitant to insure it but they finally approved it.  When I replaced the 140, I inquired about an equal or larger motor and was told they would not under right the policy?  You must have a good agent!!!! 

 Also, have you had to beef up the transom?


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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2010, 06:58:34 AM »
A dealer between me and the river I use has some test props that I'm picking up this morning. Trying the OMC Viper in a 13 x 19 and 21.  There's a boat yard just south of New Orleans that has a tone of props to dig through. They typically have great prices and have a good return policy. Basically, if you purchase a used prop and it proves to be bent or out of balance they will take it back.

A friend just picked up an OMC Raker (used) in excellent condition for $225.  That prop new is over $400.

Bringing the camera and will post photos later today with a full report of the prop testing.

I'm surprised at the lower numbers of the 175 powered CVX. Basically double the prop HP than my boat yet only 12 mph faster.  I'm hitting 51 with just myself ( 180 lbs) and approx 12 gal. of gas. I'd think that 175 would push the CVX upwards of 70 - 75 mph.

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2010, 10:01:05 AM »
Eric

I would love to put a 150 on my CVX16, I purchased it new with a Johnson 140 and at that time my Insurance Company was hesitant to insure it but they finally approved it.  When I replaced the 140, I inquired about an equal or larger motor and was told they would not under right the policy?  You must have a good agent!!!! 

 Also, have you had to beef up the transom?


Joe


Isn't "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" a bit of a national debate right now?   :D 

I am insured with State Farm.  $130 for a year (due in a few weeks, IIRC).  They know what is on the boat as I have provided them pictures, serial numbers, etc.  They never asked what the hull is rated for, only what is on it.  So we will leave it at that.

No, it is the stock transom.  Brief history of this boat is it has been in the family since 1984.  I don't abuse it with hard full throttle starts, and I know my uncle did not either when he owned it.  The prop has a lot of slip in it - it will cavitate easily at slow speeds.  So it has to get up on a plane first before I can really lay into it. 

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2010, 10:20:33 AM »
I'm surprised at the lower numbers of the 175 powered CVX. Basically double the prop HP than my boat yet only 12 mph faster.  I'm hitting 51 with just myself ( 180 lbs) and approx 12 gal. of gas. I'd think that 175 would push the CVX upwards of 70 - 75 mph.

The challenge out here in Oregon is finding decent gas.  The few times I have filled up on the water (with 100% gas, but low octane), it runs better than when I use premium E10 pump gas.  It starts, idles, and goes faster on real gas.  I would like to find some premium 100% gas to try in it and see what it can do.

The other thing is it starts to chine walk easier when there is less weight in the boat.  That has me backing out of the throttle when it is just Lisa & I.  The extra weight of passengers keeps it planted and I can stay in the throttle longer and wind it out more.  That high of 63mph was with 4 adults and 3/4 tank of gas.  A normal day's speed run is 59-61mph.

Fuzzy memory here...  I think with automobiles, it is something like the required horse power is squared to go a relative amount faster at a higher speed than at a lower speed.  So going from 60mph to 90mph requires four times the horsepower than going from 30mph to 60mph (math is wrong, but it is some logic like that).  I wonder if there is a similar calculation for boats?  Cars are just dealing with aerodynamics, where as a boat is also dealing with hydrodynamics, and water is a lot denser than air.

-Eric

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2010, 10:40:55 AM »
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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2010, 11:53:58 AM »
Eric

Great information on the insurance, I may have look into that method as well... sounds like we both have had our boats for a long time and in the same family.

My dad purchased the boat in 1984; I took over the ownership in the 90's.  My father is approaching his mid 70's and walks with a walker and a cane, this summer he came out to the lake and was sitting on the beach most of the day, then he got up took his cane down the beach crawled/fell into the Carlson, he told my 19 year old son, he just wanted to go for one more boat ride...off they went!!!!  Priceless....

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2010, 10:12:14 AM »
Ethanol free gas in Oregon:

http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/news/docs/EthanolList.pdf

Oh, I have been way down these roads.  Here is the thing...  Last year the state government did a smart thing.  They legalized the sale of 92 octane premium 100% gas.  This was due to complaints about ethanol's poor performance in lawn mowers, chain saws, snowmobiles, boats, etc.  But two problems remain...

1) Gas stations stock two grades of gas: regular & premium.  They 'make' mid-grade by mixing at the pump.  So any station that wants to sell premium 100% gas would need to give up their mid-grade fuel as well.

2) There are no refineries in the Pacific Northwest which are producing 100% gas in 92 octane!  The highest they produce is 91 octane 100% gas which they mix with 10% ethanol to get the 92 octane E10 sold at the pumps.

So the net is the elected officials get to say 'not me, we fixed it', but I still cannot get 100% premium gas.  Yes there are a few places which truck in 5 gallons cans of the stuff, but they want a small fortune for it.  I might as well go buy 110 octane race fuel for those prices.

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Re: CVX 16 performance
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2010, 11:53:27 AM »
LeRoy's on 90th and Lyndale has non-oxygenated premium. I don't know the octane though.
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