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Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« on: February 23, 2017, 08:38:42 AM »
This excerpt from someone with experience and knowledge in oil and oil filter disputes, involved in litigation as a expert witness. I ran across it as I was researching which type of oil and oil filter to use on the Honda Accord. The author rates oil filters from 5 stars to 1 star, article written in 2012. If anyone wants the web address of the article, let me know.

"Before we delve into the oil filters, I did want to comment a moment about the oil drain plug. Everyone should be using a good magnetic oil drain plug. Even by their own advertising, no oil filter catches 100% of the particles in the engine. The smallest particles are metal particles and they can hurt your engine. Remember the oil gets picked up from the oil pan, goes through the oil pump and then the oil filter. This means that metal particles can get into the oil pump and a few other places. Using a magnetic drain plug will remove the last bits of metal particles in the engine. Even with the Honda 3.5 Aluminum engine, the moving parts are mostly ferrous metal such as piston rings, cylinder walls, crank, cam, etc. I have used magnetic drain plugs and it is amazing what the oil filter does not pick out. There are cheap magnetic drain plugs on eBay, but I prefer the Gold Plug that costs about $12. Just wipe it clean after every oil change."

 
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2017, 09:42:33 AM »
My 1999 Yukon has one, and I am glad it does. I find fine metal particles on it every oil change. I would like to find one for our 2014 Subaru Outback, but the oil drains so fast out of that engine that it would probably wipe the metal right off the plug.
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2017, 10:46:38 AM »
     Somewhat a large subject, but many vehicles as well as other internal combustion engines powered items come factory equipped with magnetic devices of some sort to collect and contain metal particles.  VW used magnetic plugs in transmissions back into the 60's, probably before, but I've not worked on many that date prior to circa 1962.  Over the years I've seen magnet wraps for oil filters, speaker magnets on insides and outsides of oil and transmission pans, magnetic drain plugs, and even cow magnets on the farm.   I feel they have two benefits, one by trapping finer metal contamination, and secondly, by allowing inspection of the debris to determine wear.  I purchased a tool years ago that allows an oil filter to be easily opened, looks like an industrial can opener somewhat.  This allows for inspection for debris in the oil filter, been very handy when obtaining or selling used cars.  My CVZ has no drain plug, but rather a tube for oil removal, so I use a filter magnet.  At oil changes, I inspect the filter and what the magnet trapped before transferring it to the new filter.   Money well spent IMHO.
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2017, 11:57:24 AM »
Greg, that is the whole article from which I extracted the information on the magnetic oil drain plug. Based on that article, I chose Mobil I M1-110 oil filters ($8.95 each on Amazon) and will use Mobil I Extended Performance 0W-20 oil ($28.68) for 5 quarts from Walmart. Probably will change to a magnetic oil drain plug at the first oil change.  Surprised that OEM for Honda filters is Fram.   
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2017, 12:09:20 PM »
That is the same exact filter and oil I use in our Subaru Outback. Can push the service intervals to 10,000 miles with the combination but, I go with the 5,000 mile interval. Better to be safe than sorry. That Mobil m1 extended mileage filter is one of the best on the market.

David, check O'rielly's from time to time I have gotten the filter for our Outback for around $7 that last two times I have service it.
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2017, 02:37:26 PM »
I too am going to change oil every 5,000 miles. Only put on 8,000 miles per year, so the changes should not be that frequent. I have ramp extensions that allow the low front spoiler lip to clear the ramp.

 
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2017, 04:36:52 PM »
That is the same exact filter and oil I use in our Subaru Outback. Can push the service intervals to 10,000 miles with the combination but, I go with the 5,000 mile interval. Better to be safe than sorry. That Mobil m1 extended mileage filter is one of the best on the market.

David, check O'rielly's from time to time I have gotten the filter for our Outback for around $7 that last two times I have service it.
 

You need to get a lift and some skid plates on that Outback so we can do Black Bear Pass together Brandon!!!

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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2017, 04:51:11 PM »
 

You need to get a lift and some skid plates on that Outback so we can do Black Bear Pass together Brandon!!!




I would give it a try with the 1999 Yukon. Its already has the skid plates in place. Just needs the a locker in the rear diff and a 3 inch lift kit.

Honestly, I have been trying to decide what will be the eventual replacement for the Yukon. She now has 211,000 miles on her, and still runs like a champ. I want to find something a little more nimble and I would like a diesel. Right now I am leaning towards a chevrolet colorado, but the new Ford ranger will be out in 2018 or 2019 and word has it that a diesel will be an option. And with either of these I can import some pretty sweet items from Australia since both current designs are from there.
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2017, 05:16:56 PM »
I just looked at pictures of it. looks like fun and i bet my but cheeks would be clenched most of the time. but...I think a narrower vehicle would be a must for the cliff section
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2017, 08:07:23 PM »
I purchased a Gold Plug Magnetic Drain Plug AP-02 from Amazon for the Accord. Wish I could install it now during break in. This is the brand of plug the author of the oil filters recommended.

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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2017, 06:41:18 PM »
Absolutely should you use one. Why not?

Me'n Bobby Beer were pullin a gearcase apart once. Had a magnetic plug in both the bottom, and top hole? I 'member him saying, "If'n ya find shavings on the top plug, ya got problems" ...
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2017, 06:56:45 PM »
I remember changing the automatic transmission fluid, dropping the pan, in our 1991 Ford Crown Victoria which had an internal magnet in the pan. Amazing the amount of metal shavings that collected over time off the gears. The Honda Accord has an aluminum engine, but still there is the steel connecting rods and  camshaft.
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2017, 08:51:59 AM »
I installed the magnetic oil drain plug in the Honda Accord at its first oil change at 3,700 miles. Yesterday changed oil again at 7,700 miles, taking advantage of the 60 degree weather before winter to change oil. Upon examination of the magnetic oil drain plug, there was a layer of fine metallic particles around the magnetic tip, probably particles finer than the oil filter could trap. Is a magnetic oil drain plug necessary? Probably not, else they would be standard from the factory.

While installing the oil drain plug, the crush washer slipped off unnoticed, but found on the bottom of the oil pan. Then I carefully slipped it back on the plug while holding a finger over the oil drain hole. A little oil lost, a little self confidence lost, but now all is good.
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2017, 09:51:24 AM »
Remember on other Honda's we've owned, the aluminum washer needed to be replaced on every oil change or would drip small amount of oil. 
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2017, 10:00:23 AM »
Remember on other Honda's we've owned, the aluminum washer needed to be replaced on every oil change or would drip small amount of oil.

That is the same on our Subaru. You should replace that washer every time to prevent leaks
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2017, 10:11:37 AM »
Yes, I change crush washers at every oil change. Bought a supply of them.
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2017, 04:45:14 PM »
I recall changing one once, because it was split


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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2017, 06:08:54 PM »
I recall changing one once, because it was split

Only reason to do so Joe. Imo ...
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Re: Anyone Use Magnitic Oil Drain Plug for Car or Boat?
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2017, 07:01:35 PM »
If'n that silly washer breaks, just do away with it. Use teflon tape or pipe dope instead ...
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