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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #100 on: November 13, 2018, 03:27:02 PM »
Here are some pictures of the damaged hull, once I started sanding the paint off, and got through the terrible bondo job done, you could really see they had quite the argument with a rock.
Lots of work to do!!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #101 on: November 13, 2018, 03:35:02 PM »
few more..
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #102 on: November 13, 2018, 03:38:19 PM »
the rear strake had been completely torn off, sanded down trough all the bondo and built it up with a bunch of layers of cloth, then built a form and filled it with resign, cabosil and some cut strands of glass.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #103 on: November 13, 2018, 04:16:16 PM »
WOW .. That's messed up !
Nice work repairing her ..

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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #104 on: November 13, 2018, 06:52:48 PM »
I noticed a few blisters had to be opened up.  After finding and opening them, be sure to wash them out with hot water to get rid of the acid formed by the interaction.  Once dry it looks kinda like brown sugar, any left behind is bad to whatever is applied about it.  Looks like your doing a fine job!
Michael
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #105 on: December 03, 2018, 01:21:15 PM »
Have been doing A LOT of sanding the last couple weeks. I'm no expert but I would say that the damage will be pretty darn close to unnoticeable, a lot better than what it was before anyways.
Just a couple more hours of block sanding to finish off the bottom.
I ended up sanding out part of the hook in the hull, maybe gain 0.001 of a MPH who knows haha
Also sharpened the strakes and filled the old bilge drain hole, planning on lowering it.

I am using Interlux VC Performance epoxy on the bottom, and planning on rolling and tipping it. Seem to be really good reviews on it.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #106 on: December 03, 2018, 03:38:57 PM »
     I used the VC performance over Intercoat 2000e on my Timi as well.   Rolling and tipping is an option, but after I laid down the first coat using that method, I decided to thin and shoot it instead.   It was likely too warm for a roll/tip in my case as it didn't flow out as nicely as I had hoped for.    I ended up with a few brush marks, and by the time finish time rolled around, I was worn out from sanding.    I want to say the temp was in the upper 70's when I shot mine.   Early spring, say about 65 degrees, muddy, and no bugs yet would be a perfect time to do a roll/tip.  Looks like your making great progress, probably be done before me.
Michael
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #107 on: December 03, 2018, 06:07:40 PM »
I have read a lot of reviews on it and it seems to be some people have success with rolling/tipping and others don’t or aren’t satisfied.
Here in Ontario it’s around 30 degrees, and we heat the shop with wood so I can probably keep it around 60-65 fairly easily which will hopefully help with rolling.
Hopefully it turns out okay as I don’t really trust myself or my spray gun to do a good job at spraying.
Was it easy to thin and spray?


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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #108 on: December 04, 2018, 08:25:24 AM »
There is a product called floetrol available at lowes or similar. It retards the dry time and lets it smooth out. I have seen people brush it on woodwork and it looks sprayed when its dried. IDK if it will work with your paint but it would be worth looking into.

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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #109 on: December 04, 2018, 10:15:46 AM »
      Floetrol is for water based paints only, I use it extensively when using the Graco sprayer for house painting.    I would not recommend it for use with epoxy.   I used V170 to thin for spraying, but the same thinner can be used to improve the flow out if rolling.     When I rolled and tipped, it came out as a thicker film and required a longer time between coats.    Between re coat and induction times, it is a rather long process.  Not saying rolling/tipping is a bad process, its actually very good, especially if you have help mixing and can keep the process moving.   The wet edge is the key, which is not bad when doing a side, but there will be an overlap in the center that wont flow out.    In a nutshell, I can spray the whole hull before any of it flashes, but it is moving right along.   The induction timing is part of the reason I suppose, I couldn't mix, roll, tip, prep, sand at the same time.    Maybe if I had 6 arms?     You will need a proper respirator whether spraying or rolling.   Epoxy is some rather nasty stuff.      Come to think of it, if you have a wood burner in the shop for heat, roll/tip would likely pose a lesser hazard to fire than spraying would.  Be safe........   
Michael
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #110 on: December 04, 2018, 01:48:37 PM »
Yea it looks like the Floetrol is only meant for water based paints.
Is there another name for V170? Interlux calls for 2316N for thinning, the only thinner I have is Interlux 216 leftover from another project.. not sure how compatible all the different thinners are they have?? Also have some 202 as a cleaner.
I will have help with rolling and tipping, the wife will follow along behind me with her steady hand to tip it all. Planning on being a weekend event to get enough coats on between the dry times. So I'm definitely a little nervous about it all going smoothly.
Agreed, paint in general is usually pretty hard on the lungs, I have a couple sets of good respirators , my wife is a nurse so I am well educated on preserving lungs. I always shake my head when I see people sanding, grinding, or painting ect without using a respirator or mask. Pretty cheap insurance if you think about it. Same goes with hearing protection.
thanks for the input!!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #111 on: December 04, 2018, 02:35:55 PM »
If it was me I would just practice with the spray gun. Even the cheap ones spray alright. You don't have to spend a fortune on a gun. Buy a piece of sheet metal or find a hood, fender, etc on CL and practice on that. With the hull almost being flat it wouldn't be that hard. Spraying is all technique it is not so much skill or knowledge until you get into a higher end job or you are really trying to get a completely smooth finish that will require no buffing. Keep your distance about 8- 10 inches away from the surface, and move faster then you think you probably should then overlap the next pass over the previous by about 70%. Like riding a bike once you figure it out its pretty easy. But to be a pro you will have to do it a lot. 

I am not a pro by far, here is a video of me spraying the final clear coat on my 23 when I redid it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niJR7rVYF5Q
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #112 on: December 06, 2018, 07:46:18 AM »
Shawn you make it look so easy!
I sprayed a cottage this summer with an airless paint sprayer and man if I had the same luck I did with it as with my siphon gun I would spray everything!
I mixed up a very small amount to test it to see what I am working with, it is much thinner than I expected, its almost like water. I'll give spraying it a try this weekend to see how that works. I don't have the correct thinner so it might not work at all. The small area I did with a cheap disposable brush I could see it doesn't self level much at all even for how thin it is.
I'm just looking forward to getting paint on the hull!! I'd like it flipped back over before Christmas!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #113 on: December 06, 2018, 10:50:15 AM »
https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/document.do?docId=303.       I bought my supplies from Jamestown and here is there link to thinners.  2333 for brush, 2316 for spraying.  I used V170 or 172 for cleanup.    Funny, it states at the bottom of that page that spraying antifouling coatings is illegal in Canada?
Michael
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #114 on: December 06, 2018, 11:01:24 AM »
hah! Really. Thats interesting..
I was only able to get the 2 Gallon kit because I'm in Canada, but can still get the thinners to spray, just takes longer to order because of the time of year.
So to say the least I will most likely have plenty left over. Was thinking about using it on the inside for the floor and area. Going to be covered in carpet/flooring so not a big deal about UV ratings.
Stuff is friggen expensive too!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #115 on: December 06, 2018, 11:08:24 AM »
It is two parts, one gallon each, so it does make two gallons, but I would not recommend making it all at one.  Kinda like resin, you can mix a full gallon, but it's hard to have the work done before it kicks.  VC needs induction time before thinning,  then you have a window of time to apply. I used all of the two gallons on a 20, quite certain you will need all of it on a 23.
Michael
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #116 on: December 06, 2018, 12:18:32 PM »
yes for sure, only planning on doing small batches. I've made the mistake of mixing up too much bondo before and it kicks early.
Wow I am surprised it took that much. My idea of having leftover may not work then!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #117 on: December 06, 2018, 01:53:20 PM »
I really don't know for certain that VC is the best product to covering small areas.  I guess I assumed it's usage was best as a whole hull coating.  If just doing areas of the hull, I might consider using gelcoat so it is compatible and blends into the existing.  You have probably discussed this with the vendor or manufacturer, let me know if VC works as spot coverage over gelcoat.
Michael
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #118 on: December 06, 2018, 03:13:09 PM »
Yea all of its literature is for hull bottoms below the waterline. It says its good for gelcoat, bare fiberglass, and 2 part epoxy surfaces, just to prep everything with 80 grit sand paper and 202 cleaner. I'm doing the whole bottom below (or above, whichever way you look at it) the red cutoff, so I don't have to worry about blending spots together on the bottom. Or colors mismatching.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #119 on: December 10, 2018, 02:38:37 PM »
Well I would like to thank you guys for convincing me to try to spray the hull. That VC Performance is quite thin once its mixed up and I was able to spray it as is.
I applied 5 coats, and 3 of which I had extra to cover the wear areas and the damaged spots. So it has a good layer of paint on it!
I'm very happy with how it turned out, there are a few spots that show through that I didn't sand out enough, but for the amount of damage that was done its pretty darn good.
Also ended up using 3/4 of the paint, more than expected.
Here are some before and after shots!
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