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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #180 on: November 12, 2019, 08:03:02 PM »
I suppose there are many ways to do it, but I've always ran it through the eye, the around and over the hook facing forward.  When you turn the rope doesn't move in the eye. Makes a difference when pulling big tubes.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #181 on: November 13, 2019, 07:05:47 AM »
From Mastercraft boats

Gregg, that's what I tried to draw! LOL
Mike, I like that way it looks secure!

If that's how Mastercraft has it then I wonder how Glastron intended its use if theirs was facing the front
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #182 on: November 13, 2019, 11:01:01 AM »
Mike's picture looks like a better way ..

The ski tow is listed as a option on some G/C's, except the Ski Machine, which came with ski tow.
So ski tow bar might have been installed by dealer who put it on in that way … Maybe wrong ?

First two picture are from 1980 Glastron / Carlson Parts catalog in the " Optional Equipment " section.
Pictures of ski machine look like it's in the Mastercraft style / direction ..

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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #183 on: February 14, 2020, 12:48:43 PM »
Well were almost through winter and I haven't posted any updates lately! I've been working on running wires and installing the trim pump, blower, bilge etc. Nothing terribly exciting. I have loomed and added plugs to all the harnesses for extra protection and makes things easier to work on down the road. Trying to keep everything tucked out of the way as much as possible to give me lots of free space for storage under the sun pad. Also helps keep everything looking nice and neat and tidy.
Going to be working on the sun pads and getting the seats and sides back in next!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #184 on: February 14, 2020, 02:12:24 PM »
Time well spent. 
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #185 on: February 17, 2020, 12:19:24 PM »
Good idea on battery and trim pump location! Opens up a ton of space.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #186 on: February 19, 2020, 01:33:41 PM »
Thanks! Trying to keep everything tucked away. There never seems to be enough storage space on boats!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #187 on: March 31, 2020, 10:07:59 AM »
Getting to be really slack at updating this thread!
I had to replace the plywood in the sun pads as there was no way I was going to get screws for the hinge into the old one to hold it down.
Good ol Glastron did it again with their sloppy workmanship. The sun pads are not actually square, the front that rests on the bench is actually 1" wider on either side to account for the angle they sit on. So that means the fabric was also cut and sewn to fit that. Well whomever upholsters these pads put them on backwards. So the narrow side was on the front.
I also put new foam under it and used this awesome product Aqua-Tek to clean and rejuvenate the fabric, put it on the CORRECT way and they turned out awesome. Very happy with them!

Also made some boards and covered them in vinyl for trim around the back. It was originally all carpeted plywood right to the floor, really boxing everything in. Keeping the weight down this way and giving more storage space.

More to come soon! Pressure is on now to get it done for spring!!

I hope everyone is keeping well and staying isolated working on their projects!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #188 on: March 31, 2020, 10:20:10 AM »
Looks great. Keep up the good work.

That’s interesting my gas struts attach to the side boards next to the engine.

Did you change the location if so how do they work there?

When I redid the sun pad I made it in one piece.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #189 on: March 31, 2020, 10:58:30 AM »
Thanks!

Yes originally mine did too. I don't think I am putting side boards next to the engine, and I didn't like how you had to disconnect them to access the engine.

They work well how I have them, almost opened to 90 deg, and they do apply pressure to keep them closed when down. I still think I will put a latch on them though just in case!!

I like the one piece idea, I might have to change the whole thing again though if I ever get a blower on this thing! haha
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #190 on: March 31, 2020, 12:26:16 PM »
Not sure a latch is required.

I have one on each side of my 18 that hinge the same way never have a problem. Do 80mph.

That is down the interstate that is.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #191 on: April 23, 2020, 07:26:44 AM »
Been busy the last couple weeks, I'm really trying to put the heat on to get this thing done before summer hits. COVID is slowing things down as I am waiting on some parts to ship in.. like a radio and some interior lights, and some flooring.
Recently got a final coat of gel on the floor, I built some cedar floor inserts around the engine, probably going to do something similar to protect the sides of the engine as well.
Got the toilet cleaned and reinstalled. Found new rubber insert trim for the windshield so it shouldn't let water in like it used to, got it tinted and reinstalled. I love how it looks now.
Also have been working on some electronics, I made a 'transom saver' with an old piece of 1/2" plastic I had for the speedo and depth finder. Kind of hard to see but the depth finder box is right above the speaker in the second last picture. It is a wifi unit so I can use either my phone or tablet to see the bottom. Planning on doing a tablet dash mount in the future for this and maps.
Cut the hole for the sub.... that was fun... also installed some speakers. Doing 6 speakers and a sub total. Will post more on that later.
Hope everyone is keeping well and isolated!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #192 on: April 29, 2020, 07:39:40 AM »
This was not a fun job. But its done! Turned out better than I expected too.
I have a tray for a second battery up front to run the amp, also wired into my selector switch so it won't drain the starting battery. Installed an OLD amp I had from my high school days. It runs the sub and the two 6x9's in the bench.
Also reinstalled the mirror in the front bulk head, I put a gas strut on it so it doesn't smack you in the head when trying to reach in there.
My wife has a Cricut (stencil cutter) and she cut the Carlson logo out of some old window tint and put it on the mirror.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #193 on: May 26, 2020, 12:55:16 PM »
Finally our local lake opened its gates! The wife and I went out last night for our maiden voyage! It's been a long time coming. Was very happy with how the boat performed. Still have some other loose ends to finish up on er but I couldn't wait any longer to get it in the water!!

I must not have tightened one of the power steering hose clamps tight enough, after doing some passes at WOT I had a bunch of power steering fluid all over the bilge :(
Also the voltmeter was only showing 13 volts, so may have to look into that, I was expecting closer to 14, but maybe not the case for a 1989 alternator??

One other thing, maybe someone could help me with, after cruising around for half an hour or so the engine momentary lost power, or surged. I visually checked everything and all seemed ok, so we started out again. It happened 4-5 more times over the next half hour, no consistency of when it would happen. Seems to last longer (1-2 seconds) at lower RPMs and very minimal at high RPMs.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! I attached a video (it's really short because of file size) where you can hear it. This was probably the shortest surge that I actually got on camera.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #194 on: May 26, 2020, 12:56:24 PM »
couple other photos
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #195 on: May 26, 2020, 02:42:20 PM »
The surge I'm guessing could be ignition or fuel related, but odd it comes in and out for such short duration.  Coil securely mounted?  Choke plate solid open when warm?  Does it only occur at WOT?  Or are you into the secondaries when it occurs? (I assume qjet)
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #196 on: May 26, 2020, 03:16:41 PM »
Yes sorry I meant to add some more details..

Quadrajet 4 barrel, which I cleaned and put a rebuilt kit into. New brass float as well.
Has new plugs, Cleaned the contacts on the cap and rotor
New fuel pump, and of course lines/ filters / water separator.

It did it at WOT, and also around 2800 rpm - I'm not sure if its into secondaries at that point..

To me it sounded more like fuel rather than spark as it didn't misfire. But I'm no expert. I will check the coil.

You think maybe the choke being pulled closed for a moment? I will have to check that.
Thanks!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #197 on: May 26, 2020, 06:07:51 PM »
There are dozens of reasons for an engine to do that, maybe fuel bowl fuel height is high, new pump overpowering the needle valve, choke flap flopping about, float sticking?  I'd suspect some issue with spark, but it doesn't sound like a miss.    Easiest would be to try another carb maybe?
Michael
1979 CVZ-18 388 CI Vortec Mouse
1980 CVX-16SS 140 Mercruiser
1979 CVX-16 Johnson 175
2002 Bennington 2275CC 90 Mercury
1985 Intimidator project
1989 Lowe 200 Redneck fishin Toon
2001 Godfrey Sweetwater pontoon 115 Rude

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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #198 on: May 26, 2020, 07:46:28 PM »
Boat looks great on the water. Nice to see it finally out there.

The cut out is strange but definitely fuel or spark. Do you know what ignition system it is? It seems like such a quick cutout that it would be ignition related. Maybe the shift interruptor is off adjustment or loose? Or something in the ignition switch or control box?? I guess I’d go through all wiring and look for any loose connections. I’m sure it’s something stupid.

As far as the 13V, when you figure that one out let me know! My cv23 has always run 13v. I had my alternator tested and was good. Even tried a different one with no luck. Replaced battery. Verified gauge. Cleaned all wire connections. Beats me but I’ve never had an issue running at 13v.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #199 on: May 26, 2020, 10:43:52 PM »
Get a good quality VOM and check static voltage, should be about 12.5 with no current draw.  And 13.8 at the battery when running.   Problem with most dash voltmeters is they tie to some common 12vdc line at the dash.  Watch it move as you turn lights, blowers, accessories on/off.  If you really want your dash voltmeters to be accurate, then a single 18 g wire to the alternator or battery connection is best.   If at the battery you don't see 13.8-14.0 vdc, you likely have a failing alternator.  Rectifier diodes do fail, when they do the alternator will still work, but cannot output full current.



Michael
1979 CVZ-18 388 CI Vortec Mouse
1980 CVX-16SS 140 Mercruiser
1979 CVX-16 Johnson 175
2002 Bennington 2275CC 90 Mercury
1985 Intimidator project
1989 Lowe 200 Redneck fishin Toon
2001 Godfrey Sweetwater pontoon 115 Rude