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Title: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on March 28, 2019, 09:33:10 PM
Here we go again...I wish it was falling apart rotten.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/1bca21101f79e0dc0d4c6db721f844c9.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/06017cfe2b030b0fbca767b4479ce859.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/92b472316af4f9db7f3c0a0959288de4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/5db7def9462b2a772dd8adee38e99422.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/d089819a0281a4e4d6b852c930bde2f5.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/5c30443be0f4a3deaf01da849bc90565.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on March 28, 2019, 09:39:50 PM
That is amazing progress if you accomplished that all in one day.   I've followed several of the 23 restos on here, they seem to be a bit out of my ambition range.    Good time of year though to do the tear out, cool enough to wear the protective gear when grinding out the glass, yet warm enough to have the desire to work on a boat.    Good luck, look forward to seeing progress.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on March 29, 2019, 08:14:18 AM
Two days so far.  Motor comes out Monday,  it would be out already but your standard engine hoists don't have the reach to clear the swim platform or the trailer from the side. 

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Hyperacme on March 29, 2019, 08:23:05 AM
HUGE project Tim !
Feel your pain … In one picture, wood looks tabbed but not fully wrapped.
She'll be a sweet ride when your done.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: RedOctober89 on March 29, 2019, 11:54:04 AM
Wow great progress! really goin at 'er!
Are you planning on doing wood replacement or composite? Or a mix?
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on March 29, 2019, 02:23:20 PM
Possibly composites. 

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 01, 2019, 03:18:38 PM
Today's progress included pulling the motor, the last of the floor and one motor mount stringer that weighed about 20 pounds.  Water drained out from the stringer when I cut it out.  I see an incredible amount of grinding in my future.  This boat isn't nearly rotten enough.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190401/bc987396cfefccb0cd3042d061967c90.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: fireman24mn on April 01, 2019, 07:11:31 PM
First time I have heard someone want their boat more rotten.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 01, 2019, 07:31:34 PM
My Intimidator was awesome for the tear down. I could kick the stringers out of the way.

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 02, 2019, 05:02:24 PM
I siphoned out about 30 gallons out of the tank today.  Then found an area about 6"in diameter that looked suspect.  I did some scraping off the area and uncovered an 1/8" hole.  Yay. It seems the damage was only where the foam was making contact near the center of the tank.  From day one i thought this thing spelled like the tank had a small leak.  I'd like to get a poly tank but I don't think I want to spend $400-$500 on a new one.  I may have this one repaired instead. I also noticed the rim where the sender mounts looks like there is some corrosion that also needs attention. I also removed about half of the structure and the tabbing that went with it.  I used a sawzal to cut the tabbing, removed the wood,  then used a thin scraper and a hammer to remove all the tabbing. Way easier than grinding all that glass away. 

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 02, 2019, 05:05:27 PM
More (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190402/a5036650044c76d0add726f3dd562f0e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190402/b6ca5d49dcea522596674166e26cd1cc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190402/bbd047b333f5dc0ab1891a2ed47f917b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190402/24bf2c9bb3196ed010c83f494941c560.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Hyperacme on April 02, 2019, 05:31:59 PM
Good progress !
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: RedOctober89 on April 02, 2019, 05:38:11 PM
Coming along well!! I did the same thing with a lot of my tabbing. Was slightly alarming how easy it was..


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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 05, 2019, 08:19:02 PM
I spent some time and money at Express Composites today.  I asked lots of questions in the interest of speeding this whole rebuild up.  The most interesting was that a lot of people that do this far more often then most of us don't use cabasil to bed the stringers.  Some use nothing,  others use a urathane sealant that comes in a caulk tube. Express carries this product....M1 something something at about $12 a tube.  It is similar to Volcum, a urathane sealant that the big box home improvement stores carry, with the Volcum being 1/3 the cost.  I'll go ahead be the guinea pig and bed mine with this method (volcum). It has to be better then nothing at all,  which was the method glastron used on our boat. I also chose to build the structure out of wood like I have the last few. 

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 06, 2019, 03:07:20 AM
Thinking back to my conversation with Express Composites they called the M1 something sn adhesive not a sealant.  I thought fully cured it had the consistency of volcum.

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on April 08, 2019, 07:10:51 AM
I have a belly tank from the Baja 260 in good shape if you're interested.  Fairly certain it is larger than the one you have, but it might be close enough to tweak your design to accommodate.  I'll take some dims tonight.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 08, 2019, 02:57:54 PM
I got the boat off the trailer and the hull split today.  Now I'm just waiting on some neighborly help to get the top side off and onto the trailer. Then the hull moves into the garage for some climate controlled rebuilding.

Mike,  I'm just going to have the tank I have repaired. Thanks for the offer.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190408/77329ed6fa21bd7b642f73d36b62160f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190408/25fedbec83986ae5d1fccaab438b9c40.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190408/3adccfa5bb06d1a313cdc72b8c3997b6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190408/d7ea5653f269c1eb07028ac36c098ccc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190408/3101d47cf70d6d21ae0fa62b82e158cf.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Hyperacme on April 08, 2019, 05:45:31 PM
Are you waiting for help ?
OR
Do you need help ?
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 08, 2019, 11:03:31 PM
A dozen Coors, three neighbors,  and the top is on the trailer.  Now the rebuild can start.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/33a717961391cce9c341b331d8c39fdb.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/04f7ea02cd155e942152ffd4da190ea7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/bf2ea0048f8a958804225a6a621a16db.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: RedOctober89 on April 09, 2019, 08:56:55 AM
Sweet!
It doesn't look like you've had to deal with much foam in the hull. Did it not have much or are you pouring gas over it or something to make it disappear?
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 09, 2019, 03:11:06 PM
The only pour foam in the boat was next to the motor about 4" thick and in the hip pockets.  The rest was all the 2x4 blocks. 

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 09, 2019, 03:13:08 PM
Someone at the Glastron plant is still missing their pry bar. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/56147409b20fc2ea2989657887d09ce3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/7489b7d6bb10dbeb0cc83ba55be7bc7e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/90f4f628f94aee1857bc16aae37166e0.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: RedOctober89 on April 09, 2019, 03:24:25 PM
that's funny they left the pry bar
looks kind of strange, almost like they didn't put enough foam in or it didn't expand properly. Those back hips on mine were right full. As well as pour in everywhere else. What year is this?
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Jason on April 09, 2019, 07:41:22 PM
That’s awesome!
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 09, 2019, 09:50:03 PM
1985

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Oldfishguy on April 10, 2019, 07:40:01 AM

That is awesome!

It should hold a high place of honor in your shop.  :)
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 16, 2019, 09:14:41 PM
Progress report...... sanding sanding sanding....... transom..... motor mounts..... stringers(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190417/8299dddab0c7a19c54f382c6c2481e1b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190417/fda73662fd6cd174581d15334c6ae737.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190417/3cc8fee6b4b2264f4da35ebcc95cdc8d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190417/50de2619b7cd4d741d5d8939c9abb608.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190417/57dd2cd7fca6f153126a53291ca0d586.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Hyperacme on April 16, 2019, 09:27:14 PM
Holy crap Tim .. Did ya quit your job and took it on full time ?
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: dorelse on April 16, 2019, 09:44:32 PM
Wow!  Way to get after it!!
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on April 16, 2019, 10:06:14 PM
That is amazing level, nearly superhuman, progress.  At that rate you'll be back on the water this year.  I still have a long way to go, maybe ready next year. 
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 16, 2019, 10:34:20 PM
That is amazing level, nearly superhuman, progress.  At that rate you'll be back on the water this year.  I still have a long way to go, maybe ready next year.
Definitely this year.  The bottom work is going to be the largest hurdle.  Once all the stringers are cut and glassed in place then I'll flip it and start grinding out all the blisters. 

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on April 17, 2019, 07:35:27 AM
 I have a gallon kit of interlux interprotect 2000e, grey, for sale if your interested.  New in original box, I ended up with an extra when I sealed up the bottom of the Timi.  I'd imagine a 23 would need at least 2 gallon kits. 
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: RedOctober89 on April 17, 2019, 07:50:58 AM
wow! you're going to have yours done before me at this rate!
I would suggest extending the outside stringers into the cuddy as well if you aren't already planning to, Glastron ended the outer ones where it drops down in the cuddy which caused a weak spot the 23's are known to crack at. Easy prevention with a little more wood and glass! I just stepped mine down up front so it was one continuous piece.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Hyperacme on April 17, 2019, 10:05:47 AM
OH .. He knows ..
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: RedOctober89 on April 17, 2019, 10:11:26 AM
oh yikes!! I missed that !!
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 17, 2019, 11:05:31 AM
I have a gallon kit of interlux interprotect 2000e, grey, for sale if your interested.  New in original box, I ended up with an extra when I sealed up the bottom of the Timi.  I'd imagine a 23 would need at least 2 gallon kits.
I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks,  I'll let you know

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Terry_Curran on April 17, 2019, 04:08:12 PM
I don’t think he sleeps when he’s working on his projects
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 22, 2019, 08:49:02 PM
I didn't get any pictures today but did manage to finish building the stringers and glass the transom pieces together today.  Later tonight I might get out and install the transom and start bedding the stringers.

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 23, 2019, 05:41:59 PM
Transom is in,  both motor mount stringers are glassed together but still need to be trimmed.  I also got a little antsy staring at the trailer while I was grilling dinner so I  peeled some of the plastadip off one of the rims to see what it would look like.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190423/4a92ac5da91add3f28c26ef7f59f3b17.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190423/c6373125af02c9f05dbc79155fdeb7a9.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190423/f818f379d2c2c5c851f9cfeb5e9211eb.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190423/d7d6919a71d40c8c9b1388640f3fa2ce.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190423/5a01dc74ec70c44d00efcd2cb41510ba.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190423/b7415d99322de924dc30822e1bcff365.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on April 23, 2019, 10:56:02 PM
So Coors was used to strip the plastidip from the rims?
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on April 30, 2019, 09:40:51 PM
Over the last few days I was able to get a good chunk of work done.  One layer of 1808 on the transom,  bedded the stringers in volcum, tabbed all but the center stringer, cut all the bulkheads and associated tabbing, and made the crack repair to the inside of the hull. I ended up getting sick of watching the volcum dry so I made the executive decision to just cover it up, wet or tacky,  i didn't care.

While setting up for the crack repair I had to laugh..... you could see right through the crack.  You could also see between the major cracks the hull looked like it flattened out( lost its curve). Some duct tape (aluminium, to keep the resin in the boat), two jacks and some scrap wood to get the strake back into shape. While all those lawyers of 1808 were still wet I threw the stringer in there and tabbed it in. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190501/abc2e4476eb13ee619cf464708d6f5cf.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190501/085042a45454078536bf5b3f8e084788.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190501/4191343923d9484dfee0e6f218779904.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190501/31dbf3eab2241610486078d3e28c5e6e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190501/c627fb8c70a9ce2f13ad448fc8c7de92.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190501/333be0d5a2ed7e817f64a0019d05bc27.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190501/23eedafc2c64038aebf0de05f089713e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190501/a7a6f8dfb42c9e3b43a03a4dbab35b4b.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on May 21, 2019, 07:34:56 AM
Shawn stopped by yesterday and helped me flip the hull.  It went pretty easy with the arm I had welded up the bolts into the key hole.  It is a copy of the one up in Ontario,  his name escapes me.  I used a cherry picker at the transom and a come along and a large eye bolt through the garage door header at the front.  As for condition if the hull I'm really hoping to not have to bring this up to Shawn's place but the more I look at it the more it looks like that is what will happen.  Lots of blisters,  lots of cracks,  a few glass delaminations, then there is the original crack.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190521/6fe0937b6b441f114945967f375d8598.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190521/bfaf7b6d7b9d612ba0a9e6debfe55602.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190521/1970ff9dc41e6503d4abbc3acc0bc780.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190521/9e8051992af6cb5769236ae239afc005.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190521/5180f7b13bb3625b729cc7d396696cbd.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on May 21, 2019, 07:43:01 AM
Nicely done.  I remember flipping the timing hull in a similiar way, gets a bit sketchy when it comes over center.   As for the hull cracks, do you repair/reenforce the inside first, or do you repair the outside in?
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: RedOctober89 on May 21, 2019, 08:10:47 AM
Good job! Glad it went well for you!
The bottom of my 23 was also very bad once it was turned over, it took a lot of work to smooth it out again but was well worth the work. Just a good set of arms and a long sanding block!
Are you planning on re painting the whole boat?
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on May 21, 2019, 09:54:15 PM
Nicely done.  I remember flipping the timing hull in a similiar way, gets a bit sketchy when it comes over center.   As for the hull cracks, do you repair/reenforce the inside first, or do you repair the outside in?
The only area reinforced was the big crack.  The rest looked fine from the inside. For now I'm just grinding out all the cracks then depending how big they are I'm laying csm in and building it up.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190522/c5854ca341bf75da61a6112b69d650ba.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190522/3bbfb573ec01866e3063dedece46048f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190522/dc095174beac5937837b838d9a8ce66c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190522/f8531df98f45d21cf36623c0b8be6f3d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190522/0d39d982da819e3ace5b30b37f498128.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190522/3fc893062caf5bace96111f22291c68d.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on May 21, 2019, 09:54:42 PM
Good job! Glad it went well for you!
The bottom of my 23 was also very bad once it was turned over, it took a lot of work to smooth it out again but was well worth the work. Just a good set of arms and a long sanding block!
Are you planning on re painting the whole boat?
Just the bottom will get painted

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on June 12, 2019, 05:53:11 AM
A little update.  The area where the original crack occurred had a few serious issues.  The area near the inner lifting strake had stress cracks in the gel so I started chasing the cracks.  I stopped chasing them when I got to the last layer of glass.  Lots more grinding to do but getting there. other side was mostly blister repair, two smaller delaminations and the hook ground and filled.  As for the pad there were a few bad gouges that were well into the glass that were filled.  All in all this thing was trash. I included a picture of one of the rear corners showing a blister that was previously broke out and filled with silicone. I chased the blister which ended up being pretty large.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/d23b40aa716556c178aa59cc05dab619.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/5550a76150de3476df75312741f13d71.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/669628a6b66daf5a3b0557d1624c5457.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on June 12, 2019, 09:18:03 AM
Looks like a fair amount of progress.   Never figured out how the majority of the osmotic blisters occur on the strakes, and the bottom mostly.  I found a few on the sides of the strakes, but mostly the horizontal surface.   Is your plan to have this project completed this season?
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Hyperacme on June 12, 2019, 02:53:14 PM
Good progress Tim ..
Man that corner is messed up !
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Project cv23 on June 18, 2019, 01:58:57 PM
New member here picking up one in a couple of days, do you or anyone have template for everything? Thanks in advance and great job moving along fast. I redid a 78 v-194 10yrs ago and now I’m upgrading...
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: fireman24mn on October 31, 2019, 11:14:33 AM
Tim brought up his boat t me in August to get painted. I was hoping to have it done before the meet. Well some if it was done but it will be finished today.

Picture
1 & 2 is body work complete fixing cracks gouges and blisters. Tim did most of it I just did the final touches.
3 is after primer. Filling all the pin holes and little gouges that were missed with the major body work step.
4 Is after sanding primer and small filled areas, just cleanup and before sealer.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: fireman24mn on October 31, 2019, 11:21:09 AM
1st pic is sealer 2nd pic is the color on.

I will be clearing in a few hours once the base color is dry.

Epoxy primer, epoxy sealer, acrylic enamel w/ hardener, last will be clear coat. This is the same steps I used to paint the hull on my 23 when it was redone. I have about 75 hours on mine now and only have a couple areas the paint has been damaged. I am positive it was from the CGOA meet this year when we went for lunch and had to park on a rocky shore. There was no missing paint prior to the meet this year. I am adding a keel guard this spring to prevent any further damage.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on December 06, 2019, 10:27:03 AM
A lot late here but thanks to a few regulars on here; Shawn, Jim, Joe, Deets, Jess and Kailey for helping get the hull flipped back over and on the trailer. It took me a few more weeks to feel the urge to scramble to get the top side in place before the first snow storm.  There were flurries as we were fighting to get it all lined back up. A quick make shift teepee and an old tarp tied down to the trailer and voila, I bought a few more weeks to finish up a few projects in the garage before it is filled with the 23. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191206/1c137420c032a29ad7114109173b5f4d.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on March 09, 2020, 10:49:53 PM
I guess it is time for an update........
Hull is foamed about 95% full.  I didn't fill the hip pockets as im planning on using those for subwoofers to gain storage.  The fuel tank i had serviced at Tank Renew is in with new hoses, sender, wiring and a little foam to keep the tank from shifting. The original "hole" that the tank fit into was about 12" longer than the tank so  I added a bulkhead just in front if the tank to utilize that wasted space.  I ended up with an area about 10x25x12. To gain access to it i cut a 4x20" opening in the bulk head in the cuddy. I carpeted that area before i put the floor on to make life more enjoyable. I also added a drain from the cuddy to the bilge with a check valve to stop the reverse from happening.  I'm not a huge fan of blasting huge holes in a brand new floor for a recessed table base but it happened.  I did get incredibly lucky in the fact that there was seam backer and a stringer along two of the edges.  When picking my floor thickness (1/2 or 3/4) i used 1/2". If i had used 3/4 i would have recessed the 1/4" thick base entirely.  Instead i just took the top layer of the plywood off and used loose strand to feather out the elevation differences.  The cockpit was topped off with biax....i think that is what you call it.  The transition is hard to spot. The floor, bilge,  tank void and transom assembly cut out have been gel coated with various gels ive accumulated over the years. Last night i again pulled the cap (three or four times now,  I'm getting pretty good at it) to carpet the storage area ahead of the cuddy, build and install the sub boxes, and trim some of the backer i installed under the swim platform that was stopping the cap from seating. Today the cap went back on. It fits better  but the backer for the swim platform could be sanded down in a few spots. While im working that area i plan to make a new larger tow eye backer as well as transom to cap supports to mitigate flexing in that area. I should only have to raise the back area to get the tool in there to get the clearance i need. I plan to run most the accessory wiring before i carpet so i can hide them under the rub rail backer but still have access if need be. As for the seam for the hull to cap i am thinking I'll be using Volkem to help keep the water out. Sorry for the single paragraph, i don't care enough to break it up.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200310/50e52e04f1c106b57800e81b30ab616c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200310/227f836b2cd9923ededabc560ff06eed.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200310/712a836b8d228a353b9fdfc8c1405a40.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200310/d7c81b0129caaa0aaf0f3122725335c4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200310/57311693ecd7375b7b2c965d166bdd8a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200310/ee01d1e9a67c69d2df0dde68a1bc828f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200310/57f4d2188dbd13f300ddc0f98678b7c2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200310/a5dadb7bcbab975e1a2d9620182b1ddc.jpg)

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Post by: thedeuceman on March 10, 2020, 09:36:15 AM
That looks fantastic Tim...
And I do agree that punctuation is just a waste of time ;-)


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Post by: dorelse on March 10, 2020, 10:00:43 AM
looks great!
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Post by: Hyperacme on March 10, 2020, 10:12:14 AM
That's a huge job Tim !
Great progress .. Warm weather sure helps ..
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Post by: 75starflight on March 10, 2020, 10:13:03 AM
Looks great Tim!
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Post by: thedeuceman on March 11, 2020, 12:37:51 PM
Tim, what did you use for check valves in your drain pipe?


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Post by: Hyperacme on March 11, 2020, 01:35:23 PM
Work GREAT !
Never a problem !
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Post by: still_fishin on March 11, 2020, 02:35:19 PM
I 90 degreed out the bottom of the cuddy floor to a 3/4 hose into the bilge about 5 inches to the valve(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200311/14c29c16f36b164fdd4c8d1808ba1443.jpg)

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Post by: Plugcheck on March 11, 2020, 08:50:03 PM
The valve sounds like a great idea to keep backflow to a minimum, curious to know it's function on a spa?   I like the sub boxes, just having trouble visualizing the location with the top on.  Going to be a nice family cruiser.
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Post by: still_fishin on March 31, 2020, 02:23:16 PM
I made some more progress on the 23 since the last update. I rearranged the guages to make room for a radio so i didn't have to blast a hole in the glass somewhere else.  The rub rail is on though it may have to come back off in the future as there are a few kinks in it. That should be addressed.  Which means it won't happen.  I know better.  I used volkem between the two halves and the standard billion screws.  I also got sick of looking at the hodge podge of gel i used up on the floor so i carpeted most of the cockpit and engine compartment yesterday. I installed one of the subs last night even though Ive questioned putting the subs in the hip pockets ever since i thought of it. I really didn't want to loose the storage space that two subs and a box would have taken up and that ended up being the deciding factor.  I guess i hope cutting those 9.5" holes back there doesn't come back to bit me in the butt.  I plan on cutting the overhanging area above the sub in the last picture up to the area of the blank lines but all the way around the corner. I also plan to fill and smooth, then gel the bare wood that is visible when the skirt boards are out. I'll have to support that area from the transom if i do cut it out.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200331/c3d421bb90ccf9a06e7ab8466fd36352.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200331/0aa351b48b39e7bf71636cedc1eb17ef.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200331/706d947ebaee9de7edd2b888bb751af7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200331/c16a47eb8ba924805dde43b07ee0284b.jpg)

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Post by: thedeuceman on March 31, 2020, 02:46:59 PM
That looks great !


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Post by: carlsoncvx18 on March 31, 2020, 03:03:14 PM
Doing a great job spring just around the corner.
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Post by: RedOctober89 on March 31, 2020, 03:16:11 PM
nice! looking good! I like the dash layout.
I'm putting a 10" sub right under the steering wheel, and making a box that will be on the inside of the cuddy.
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Post by: Tonka Jim on April 04, 2020, 07:22:52 PM
Good workmanship Tim.
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Post by: still_fishin on April 14, 2020, 01:17:12 PM
Update....i have both the subs mounted along with some basic waffle grills for protection. I figured out what was going on with the automatic antenna issues. Just waiting on a European style antenna adapter to wrap that up.  The switch panel needs to be built and wired still,  i was waiting on the breakers to arrive to get dimensions as i want to keep the hole as small as possible. I ordered more carpet for the cuddy and to wrap all the other trim pieces that were not figured into the original order.  I'm undecided on what i want to do for tying the tow eye area in to the transom.  The original was a simple piece of 1/2" ply the width of the transom angled up to the deck.  It obviously works but it leaves the tow eye and the area above the transom inaccessible. Is that an issue? I doubt it. My thoughts are to build a slightly larger tow eye backer and tie that directly into the transom above all the gear, similar to my Intimidator and my CVX18. I also upgraded the steering wheel with one i stole off Ebay.  As most of you could have guessed the original was seized and needed to be told it was being replaced.  A few relief holes later and off it came. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200414/5860ee86178eab6fbb1cbb3f55fd414f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200414/7825528309fcf3910b97e25a1a6b1da2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200414/05fe1a269c0ff3cc11cf95714b72f513.jpg)

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Post by: still_fishin on April 24, 2020, 11:23:17 PM
I made a decision on the wings that hang down in front of the transom. I cut them out. I also glassed in and gelled some bracing for that area to the top of the transom. I followed suit with the battery location being in front if the engine like a few others have previously done. I glassed and gelled the board as well today.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200425/214dea1d49fa98ea6bd4f025c92e2e2b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200425/c2c6fb9eb73f9b7d75cd37b6d9c24e7d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200425/2d42c201a01c027a6cc7ffd9dfb8fed6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200425/514fe134dcb2d0b77372590c8e33cee2.jpg)

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Post by: Jason on April 25, 2020, 07:29:01 PM
Good choice cutting out the wings. They are good at getting in the way.
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Post by: RedOctober89 on April 27, 2020, 06:51:51 AM
lookin good! I like the bracing you did for the top. Great support for the ski eye
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Post by: still_fishin on April 27, 2020, 06:58:06 PM
Transom assembly is in.  Speedo pickup is also done.  I carpeted the rear seat base, installed the speakers and test fit the whole thing to get some measurements for some panels i need to make.  The boat originally had foamed in area for the base of the side panels.  Im leaving the foam out so i needed to cut and carpet a piece to tie the rear seat,  the two side panels and the cuddy divider panel together.  I'll add a few cup holders as well. 

Im debating on if i want to get some of the take apart hinges like ive put on every other glastron ive owned to make engine access easier..... is it needed? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200427/e3963b3a79111471dc91338f3613ac22.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200427/e5f3192269f9e09b7c76f9c19cf8d0bc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200427/6cc1e895dfb2023424f9cef3b7257c6b.jpg)

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Post by: RedOctober89 on April 28, 2020, 08:08:52 AM
I think your idea on hinges is a good one, saves removing screws, causing them to get loose over time. I changed the strut positioning on mine so the hatches open up a lot further and the struts arent in the way. Gives me lots of room to work, which is another option over disassemblable hinges
Title: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Jason on April 29, 2020, 09:44:44 AM
I think your idea on hinges is a good one, saves removing screws, causing them to get loose over time. I changed the strut positioning on mine so the hatches open up a lot further and the struts arent in the way. Gives me lots of room to work, which is another option over disassemblable hinges
This is genius. I always hated where the struts originally went to on these. Winterizing the engines in these sucks. It’s really hard to reach the block drains especially when you maintain the taller floor height back there. Then you have screwed in side panels next to the engines that need to be removed and to do meant disconnecting the cover supports and finding a creative way to keep them from smacking you on the head.

So. I don’t think quick release hinges are needed if you relocate the supports.

If you put the side panels back in try to create a channel or something for them to fit into do they can be easily removed.

One more thing. Install a remote oil filter. If you leave it on the block you need to remove the back seat to get it out. At least with the stock floor height in the back.
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Post by: thedeuceman on April 29, 2020, 10:16:40 AM
i dont have any pix, but on the 1900 i used a piece of uni-strut screwed to the floor, 3/4 plywood wrapped in carpet fits nice. i think Shawn used that in his 23 as well. i do have a bunch of alum uni-strut in stock.
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Post by: still_fishin on April 29, 2020, 02:34:33 PM
Do you have a part number off those gas struts you used? I'll be doing something similar I just need a starting point.


I think your idea on hinges is a good one, saves removing screws, causing them to get loose over time. I changed the strut positioning on mine so the hatches open up a lot further and the struts arent in the way. Gives me lots of room to work, which is another option over disassemblable hinges
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Post by: RedOctober89 on April 30, 2020, 06:40:30 AM
Thanks Jason, haha I agree, nothing like the boat smacking you in the head for trying to put it away for the winter.

I don't see a part number on them sorry, they are the ones that came with the boat. They measure 20" fully open, and 12" closed. They might be 40 lb struts. How I have them set they do not close all the way. Might be lucky and find something close to the same size out of a scrap yard?
I also used bolts and t-nuts on the sun pad to hold the bracket, the original #10 screws pulled out. Beefier the better I always say!
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Post by: still_fishin on May 10, 2020, 01:46:42 AM
I've made some more progress on the cuddy.  The carpet is done, which sucked, lighting is done, side panels are in. Also new carpet and speakers in the rear seat are done.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200510/a6e992d0dafb07b3c02e2fa3ba452971.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200510/f368301c4d8352b26cb51b120216311e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200510/8a7f90d463a016c8828e7b81722c6373.jpg)

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Post by: carlsoncvx18 on May 10, 2020, 05:36:18 AM
Looks awesome carpet installing going to be a part time job.
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Post by: still_fishin on May 10, 2020, 11:36:44 AM
The hack that redid the interior while the previous owner had it must have just started in the business.  My God.  The lack of stainless staples and the finish details made it necessary to wrap the exposed wood and the lip the rear seat cushion rests on.  I would have been embarrassed to charge for the interior. 

I have knee surgery on Friday so I'm going to try to get the boat on the trailer before that. At least that way if i find someone to build a trailering cover for it while I'm out i can get it to them.  The shop i used for the Intimidator cover is booked out to August so they are not really an option. Earlier this year i did get two quotes over the phone,  one was $1200, the other was $1300 so I'm guessing that's about what it will be regardless of where i go.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200510/7359cfd6b5a4fa9963c0b64257d73a81.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200510/97fb5704c1222ba74e019ad677507363.jpg)

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Post by: Hyperacme on May 10, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
Good progress Tim .. Sorry to hear about your knee .. Hope every thing go's well and you up and about soon.
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Post by: still_fishin on May 11, 2020, 12:49:48 AM
I'm probably going to kick myself for this but i wanted the rear seat and sun pads in today.  I already know they the sun pads are coming out for the engine install but maybe I'll get lucky and the seat can stay.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200511/8ff2dd6e08d8291fd535a6b61314bb9e.jpg)

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Post by: Plugcheck on May 11, 2020, 09:42:27 AM
Nice work Tim.  Looks like you'll be ready for the water fairly soon.
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Post by: Tonka Jim on May 11, 2020, 12:27:53 PM


I have knee surgery on Friday so I'm going to try to get the boat on the trailer before that. At least that way if i find someone to build a trailering cover for it while I'm out i can get it to them. 

If you find a place to have your cover made, I can tow it anywhere for you.
I had mine done in Mound, MN - Permatop Canvas Co. - Their price was comparable to every one else i called.
I will be in Red Wing tomorrow, let me know if you need help with anything.
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Post by: still_fishin on May 11, 2020, 10:33:28 PM
Ha. Sorry Jim.  I got the kids out the door and went straight to work on the boat.

I spent the better part of three hours trying to get the boat on the trailer. Road block after road block slowed what should have been about an hour job. First it was the casters on the cradle sinking into the asphalt drive way.  That stopped me from getting the boat all the way out of the garage to then turn it 180 degrees. About three feet were left inside.   Remember,  the boat is nose first in the garage so sliding it onto the trailer off the cradle wasn't an option.  Ok,  I'll just take the trailer nose first into the garage a bit,  slide it under the boat and set it down.  Nope..... the door on this garage is 8' wide before the trim.  The boat fits but not the trailer so maneuvering the trailer under wasn't going to be as simple as parallel parking.  I had an engine hoist on the front on the boat. That was fine as i was able to get the clearance to get the trailer under it.  But again,  there wasn't enough room with the hoist to get in far enough to get clearance for the fenders.  At the back of the boat i had a pretty big car jack with some cribbing and some carpet to help with scratching the hull.  The problem with the Jack was i wasn't comfortable going as high as i needed to with multiple layers of cribbing on top of a 6" Jack pad to clear the fenders. It became less and less stable the higher it got.  I only needed a few inches.  Ok,  let the air out if the tires,  some strapping around a  deck post, a come along and i was able to drag the trailer under the boat.  Ok, the somewhat sketchy parts are done and the boat is on the trailer. Now i have a boat on a trailer at the bottom of my 90' driveway that has a slight slop towards the garage with no way to hook up to a vehicle..... yay.....I ended up pushing the trailer/ boat up the driveway to the end if the porch, about 25' short of the sidewalk.  At that point i needed to turn the boat around to be able to hook up to it.  The driveway is only about 12 feet wide there.  I tried a few different things to move the trailer on the grass.  Two words..... tandems suck in this circumstance.  I eventually pulled the rear set of wheels and that made a significant difference.  The boat is on the trailer,  all the wheels are installed and inflated and the trailer is facing the right direction. Oh and for about 15 minutes i thought that i lost the center post for the windshield...... kind of important.....i had a short discussion with Maggie about how long ago i took that thing off and how i would have put it in a good easy to find logical spot.  Because those easy to find spots don't move in two years. I ended up finding it out with some random parts no where near where i had the windshield.  Well the was also installed.  The punch list for things to do is finally in my favor.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200512/063d1114c0f07c0d1d8229fca1e8f063.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200512/80d019b473e889d25e0ef564189431e3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200512/5b5c19eeb06403690370373db8c42d55.jpg)

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Post by: thedeuceman on May 11, 2020, 10:39:32 PM
Wow... what a day.
I can relate to some of the “ how the heck am I gonna do this”


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Post by: still_fishin on May 12, 2020, 09:09:06 AM
The original layout for the switches wasn't going to work with what i had in mind. I wanted to loose the fuse holders and use breakers as inevitably your 5 amp run will end up with whatever fuse you have left, more than likely that spare 20 amp you had for the ignition. I used spdt switches for everything and due to their slim design i could get 7 across without widening the opening.  I will be needing a diode for the navigation lights in order to use an anchor function.  Due to the breakers being close to the same size as the switches i did have to make the hole a little taller. From what i remember it was only about 1/4". Something that didn't make sense to me was that the guage cluster and the ignition switch were mounted on stainless plate with a sheet of smoked plexi over the ss.  The original stitches did not have the plexi.  That bothered me so since everything else was getting replaced with new i made a piece if plexi for the stitches, sent it out to a buddies buddy to have it engraved and painted the engraving this morning.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200512/3731efa75789d53ea0bb6b0ce7d69cf4.jpg)

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Post by: thedeuceman on May 12, 2020, 12:48:21 PM
That turned out really nice


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Post by: Jason on May 12, 2020, 08:01:16 PM
Ha. Sorry Jim.  I got the kids out the door and went straight to work on there boat.

I spent the better part of three hours trying to get the boat on the trailer. Road block after road block slowed what should have been about an hour job. First it was the casters on the cradle sinking into the asphalt drive way.  That stopped me from getting the boat all the way out of the garage to then turn it 180 degrees. About three feet were left inside.   Remember,  the boat is nose first in the garage so sliding it onto the trailer off the cradle wasn't an option.  Ok,  I'll just take the trailer nose first into the garage a bit,  slide it under the boat and set it down.  Nope..... the door on this garage is 8' wide before the trim.  The boat fits but not the trailer so maneuvering the trailer under wasn't going to be as simple as parallel parking.  I had an engine hoist on the front on the boat. That was fine as i was able to get the clearance to get the trailer under it.  But again,  there wasn't enough room with the hoist to get in far enough to get clearance for the fenders.  At the back of the boat i had a pretty big car jack with some cribbing and some carpet to help with scratching the hull.  The problem with the Jack was i wasn't comfortable going as high as i needed to with multiple layers of cribbing on top of a 6" Jack pad to clear the fenders. It became less and less stable the higher it got.  I only needed a few inches.  Ok,  let the air out if the tires,  some strapping around a  deck post, a come along and i was able to drag the trailer under the boat.  Ok, the somewhat sketchy parts are done and the boat is on the trailer. Now i have a boat on a trailer at the bottom of my 90' driveway that has a slight slop towards the garage with no way to hook up to a vehicle..... yay.....I ended up pushing the trailer/ boat up the driveway to the end if the porch, about 25' short of the sidewalk.  At that point i needed to turn the boat around to be able to hook up to it.  The driveway is only about 12 feet wide there.  I tried a few different things to move the trailer on the grass.  Two words..... tandems suck in this circumstance.  I eventually pulled the rear set of wheels and that made a significant difference.  The boat is on the trailer,  all the wheels are installed and inflated and the trailer is facing the right direction. Oh and for about 15 minutes i thought that i lost the center post for the windshield...... kind of important.....i had a short discussion with Maggie about how long ago i took that thing off and how i would have put it in a good easy to find logical spot.  Because those easy to find spots don't move in two years. I ended up finding it out with some random parts no where near where i had the windshield.  Well the was also installed.  The punch list for things to do is finally in my favor.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200512/063d1114c0f07c0d1d8229fca1e8f063.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200512/80d019b473e889d25e0ef564189431e3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200512/5b5c19eeb06403690370373db8c42d55.jpg)

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No wonder you need a knee.
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Post by: Plugcheck on May 12, 2020, 10:39:46 PM
Quite a story, and you wrote it well. I could see it all unfolding.   Real question is how you managed all that with a bad knee.   Really outstanding progress.
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Post by: still_fishin on May 13, 2020, 08:29:47 PM
I forgot to post a few pictures of the finished dash  yesterday. I'm happy with it,  till it cracks....
 Today I started cleaning two years of boat rebuilding dust off the engine.  I basically had a white engine.  I'm planning to switch out the carb for a quadrajet i have assuming the performer intake is spread bore. I have more experience with a quadrajet plus who doesn't love the quadrajet secondary dooooowooooo!! I also have a new engine wire harness to clean up the abomination currently on the engine. I'm still undecided what I'll be doing for the ignition.  The original thunderbolt setup had issues.  Whether it was the pickup or the main box something caused it to run really weak and at times die and not restart. That actually was the case when i winterized it.  It wouldn't start, i got pissed as the motor wasn't even hot so i ripped the Mallory setup off the old Intimidator motor, installed it, a little timing adjustments and it started right up. It seemed far more snappy while working the throttle blades.  I'm fine with the Mallory but  spare modules are hard to find.  I'd also be fine with a thunderbolt setup but i can't have the dying and no start issues on the river. I guess i still have a sour taste in my mouth from the close call we had in the Covil park no wake zone.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200514/4bc44180bb1ad1e27aa6c5ee468a4c63.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200514/52350e963168b902b7a11d462db78db6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200514/085d6536640c6e183a3b06f71d48a890.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200514/341d7d5bfb6b6b568c263a99c8815b38.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200514/5cf11ae0bb187d324de438836c0db04a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200514/95638348b308615b14bf8d69c2383762.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200514/8c493b33c9184524d0abe144383f02f3.jpg)

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Post by: RedOctober89 on May 15, 2020, 09:31:32 AM
haha sounds like quite the adventure getting it back on the trailer!! 
that dash looks great! Going to be on the water in no time!
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Post by: Tonka Jim on May 16, 2020, 10:13:35 AM
Dash and everything else looks wonderful!
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Post by: still_fishin on May 16, 2020, 07:29:34 PM
I made a comment in an earlier post about modules for the Mallory ignition being hard to find.  Well Google had straightened me out.  I will be sticking with the Mallory. 

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Post by: Jason on May 16, 2020, 08:52:10 PM
Dash looks great. I really like the gauge looking receiver.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on May 25, 2020, 01:13:19 PM
I did some maintenance on the seat swivel sliders the other day and noticed more questionable at best workmanship.  A partially secured base on the drivers side would have been the cause for the drivers side reclining more then the passengers.  Which probably cause all the damage to that base.  Lots of broken parts.  I picked up a few used sliders over in Prior Lake Sunday from a guy who had a few glastrons.  One GT150 and a I can't remember what it is with the sloping center consol.  I'm sure one could get the consol boat but i know he doesn't have papers for it. I mentioned the group and the annual meet and he didn't seem to know about it.  He also mentioned Red Wing is pretty far away............. ok,  don't tell Missouri, Nebraska,  Illinois, Colorado,  most of Europe, Iowa.... to name a few.  Anyways,  here is the boat. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200525/180e1be93ab030467db0a7507a8b0b16.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200525/be8aa113d8807db2e98fed53f055d3b4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200525/1e211b4488b21acd24d57c681fc689a5.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: hemi RT on May 25, 2020, 01:48:55 PM
That is a Glastron Jetflite. Rather rare with the full console in it.

Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Hyperacme on May 25, 2020, 02:42:04 PM
By the stripes and swoosh .. Looks like a 1966 Glastron Jetflite V143 Super Sport.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on May 28, 2020, 06:49:35 PM
I was messing with the engine the other day thinking i should run it up to temp to verify no oil leakd before installing it and making a mess if the bilge. Well I only ran it for about 30 seconds and can confirm one for sure. There area between the oil pan and the timing cover.  I was hoping for a miracle and to bugger more rtv on the seal but after looking at it i think someone already pulled that move.  The u channel at the bottom of the timing cover had been cut back to allow that cover to be installed while the oil pan is torqued down.  From my Google research i have found it doesn't usually fix the problem.  It didn't.  More crap workmanship. I also noticed that seal between the timing cover and the oil pan was too thin so to make up the space they used  a bead of some type of rtv material.  There were areas that you could tell didn't have a squish on that seal and only deformed the bead of rtv.  I know why they used that seal, the correct one would not fit into place without dropping the pan. I had a spare sbc gasket set in the garage so the water pump and timing cover gaskets are covered. As for the oil pan gasket i will only use the one piece gaskets.  Felpro makes a rubber coated steel gasket that has these click studs that allow for ridiculously easy installation. Check them out.   The gasket is installed clean,  obviously,  and dry..... no rtv. At least that is what the directions say. I'll try to get the oil pan installed tonight,  then all the accessories can go back on and possibly run it up again tomorrow. I also rigged up an oil pressure and water temp guage with pigtails that plug into the engine harness along with the wires rigged for the coil and the start relay.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200528/919f9cb87be2d5dba8b15acc2518c6d1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200528/98833e69e83f97a0032217e76ba096bc.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on May 28, 2020, 07:10:24 PM
Late last week and early this week i worked on the drive.  I had hopes for a decent outcome as there are so many specialty tools required to service them.  Well it was obvious none had been into this drive in a very long time.  The norm seems to be that most all need a short yoke for the upper...... this one did not deviate from that path. I also remember when i pulled the drive just after we bought the boat that one on the c clips for the u joint bearings was laying on top of the area that protrudes into the bell housing.  That bearing was making dust out if metal. Both bearings were shot. Otherwise the upper looked good internally. 
As for the lower i ended up drilling out the bearing carrier retainer nut, then with way more help from a 1/2" impact then ever before the carrier was out.  I was gutting this drive to reseal the whole thing and to have a new skeg welded on.  Under first examination I thought the parts were in good condition.  They are.... sort of.  I noticed what I thought was an aluminum shaving from the carrier nut I drilled out earlier on the pinion gear. Nope,  that there is something that needs replacement. It is the only flaw in the gear. I ordered a whole gear set to deal with that problem. That also means some of the seals i installed thinking this was a quick reseal need to come out so i can go through the shiming process and get real rolling torque numbers not effected buy a seal dragging.  It is pretty unlikely I'll get the seals out without damaging them. That's ok,  i ordered a few extra seal kits for the seven other drives in my basement needing attention. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200529/99041aa58672f2adc4739c2e35fb0de4.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on May 31, 2020, 11:03:25 PM
Im not sure if these 23's had a storage shelf under the console but most seem to have something under there.  Well the one in our boat was trashed. I threw it out during the deconstruction thinking it was something the previous owner cobbled together. Well I was working on a few other wood working projects for Maggie today so I also built a new shelf while the tools were out.  The first picture is one i stole off the interweb.  The others are of the shelf i built.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/231908ff26dcf9014af013e35e4be925.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/d11120c3e1a9d6fe6ccfe80a9429a028.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/01e2edda37ccef3bd4cf1f0239247efb.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/81633d6ae3ae552761000a130e2dbf3e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/c63189a322d6b73d5ada265cd0d8b4ee.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on June 01, 2020, 02:46:22 PM
I also made a spot for the hour meter that was installed when the motor was rebuilt.  The way the boat wired it will only count with the key "on". The important part is now the key doesn't need to be on to listen to the radio. I'd like to know how many hours on that meter are radio only hours.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/33520b52daa50a75f31199999f6f7a4c.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: catchnedge on June 02, 2020, 05:50:00 AM
Great progress Tim! 
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: ScottsCVX on June 02, 2020, 09:50:56 AM
Looking great!  That dash pic from the interwebs looks like the dash on my recent buy from Iowa.


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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on June 03, 2020, 01:26:23 AM
This explains my short lived idle issues.  I was waiting for one of the thick base gaskets so in the mean time i used a thin one.......incorrectly.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200603/45b3baeee90a56744b8c91964943f5d1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Jason on June 03, 2020, 09:54:48 AM
This explains my short lived idle issues.  I was waiting for one of the thick base gaskets so in the mean time i used a thin one.......incorrectly.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200603/45b3baeee90a56744b8c91964943f5d1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on June 03, 2020, 10:49:59 AM
Might be the correct gasket, it looks like it shifted during install.  High tack helps a bunch with thin margin gaskets
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on June 06, 2020, 11:45:24 AM
So I've been battling this carb for three days now..... maybe more. It is a quadrajet,  17059288 to be exact.  I traded Joe the one that was on the motor,  an Edelbrock something or other i have no experience with for the quadrajet off one of his parts boats.  The boat had a 350 in it so i thought a good cleaning would be all that it needed. After getting the carb back on the motor I did the usuall timing and idle adjustments. I have a few guages hooked up to keep an eye on oil pressure,  temp, rpm and a vacuum guage for the idle tuning. I got the engine running pretty good but noticed the idle mixture screws had zero effect on the vacuum guage or rpm. The engine was getting the fuel from some place else. For nothing more then not understanding how the magic inside a quadrajet works i thought the transition slots above the idle mixture screws were feeding the engine the extra fuel and that those slots needed to be completely covered. Ok,  tear it off and figure out what needs to be adjusted to achieve that.  Before i go further you should know i have three other quadrajets i can rob parts off. Knowing what i just stated i tried bending the primary throttle blades down a bit to cover those slots.  Back together it went and nothing changed.  Ok,  back off, back apart, what's next? Bent blades off and spare set on. I have a Cliff Ruggles book on the quadrajet so I started paging through the idle section. I didn't find anything that screamed this is your problem so i put it back together and just started going to the extremes with the adjustments.  Lots of timing,  idle mixture screws seated, 5 turns out, idle speed screw yada yada yada.  At one point i knew the fuel was overloading and it died.  I hit the key just to hear the bendix gear engage the flywheel and lock. Fuel hydro lock. Out come the plugs and of course it's #1. The last plug pulled.  I had a spare set of plugs so in they went. At this time i also removed the 90's from the exhaust added some 3" pvc extensions to the exhaust. When i had the 90's on i was getting water all over the garage floor.   Ok,  back on and running.... my God a few minutes in and the inside off that perfectly white pvc is now black with soot.  Ok that explains the crap floating on the exhaust water. A dark film almost like little pieces of torn up paper.  They didn't have that oil or fuel on water look to them. Next i Google a bunch of stuff similar to rich idle.... nozzle drip seems to be the common issue in most the stuff i read.  Nozzle drip was happening because the idle speed screw needed to be turned in to get enough idle air which allows that air to pull fuel out the primary nozzles.  A lot of fuel in my case. Apparently this issue is common in modified engines. I know the po had the engine rebuilt and I was told it was 290hp. I figured they sold him what he wanted to hear and the engine wasn't really modified past rebuilt. I may have been wrong. Anyways,  back to the troubleshooting.  I bet I've had the carb off and a part no less then ten times.  I'm pretty good at it now.  I decided to call up one of my old coworkers and run some of this by him.  The guy,  Preston, is methodical and knows quadrajets. I wasn't quite done explaining my issue when he says i know what you need to do. "Idle bypass air." Somewhere I read most marine carbs do not have it factory, all can be added though.  Mine was easy enough.  A couple holes,  one modded gasket and we were headed in the right direction.  Back on and running i noticed more travel from the idle speed screw before the nozzle drip started.  Ok,  off it came,  back apart it came.  In Cliffs book he has a few different recipes for the hole diameters in the idle circuitry based on a few 350 cam and compression ratio setups.  I picked one similar to a merc 260 that was slightly built. I took those numbers and upsized just to the lean side of his windows.  Though i did up size the idle tubes to 0.040 from 0.030. I also upsized the idle bypass air a bit more to 0.088. Back together and on the engine ready to check the results and Preston calls back from a message I left earlier.  We go over what I upsized and right away I can hear his eyes rolling. He tells me in all his years of building big cubic inch Pontiac motors he has never seen an idle tube upsized to 0.040 and it is going to be way  too rich at idle.... Good thing I have spares. 0.040 was the smallest bit I had, guess I'll order smaller bits. The rest of the diameters sound good and could be upsized more depending on the needs of the engine. Start small... We settle on about 0.033-0.035 for the idle tubes. After our call I resumed testing the new adjustments.  I now have mixture control with the idle mixture screws,  good vacuum and zero nozzle drip. The exhaust is still floating the dark stuff on the water but im attributing that to my idle tube over sizing mistake.  Il report back after i get the replacement tubes installed. 

Here are some pictures of the idle bypass air install.  The red X's show the nation body holes that needed to be drilled..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/811caf3d4c971bcef458dc94cc789bc4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/3d3ba6fae35f207df739e12e8c4ddd35.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/ea85f3b6eebf69222c5b24e8c9486394.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/c81d9009f94f4ab76652776d3ad1108c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/f63d02b7cd8d5beaa03eaba1d4213848.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/932b062d74badff69de549889b6620d4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/9cece2bf35300958414373b6b4f8199e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/4f4a023d43728e02e9a2bd626a004859.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/9191057d8833c7e7ee42141422f9632f.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on June 06, 2020, 03:53:02 PM
I commend you for having the initiative to custom work a qjet.  Have only known a few to drill passages in a production carb, and frankly, I've never had to on a Qjet before.   The problem is fuel dribbling from boosters at idle, correct?    Air horn flat?  Float height correct?   How do the throttle shafts feel?  Many older qjets suffer from worn throttle shaft bores which cause air bleed, and draw from boosters.  I use a bit specially made and a driver for this shown in picture.   Won't say it's what is causing the issue, but when they are bad the idle screws have little effect.     Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on June 06, 2020, 11:23:29 PM
The float, shafts and air horn are good.  To be clear,  the nozzle drip is gone.  Now i need to tighten up the idle tubes to lean out the idle.  New or spare idle tubes opened up to around 0.032-0.035 should fix that.  Then it is time for install.   

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on June 08, 2020, 09:22:58 PM
The news keeps getting better............
By the hour meter on the motor I've put about 2 hours on it screwing around with the carb. Ive been checking the oil regularly due the one time i hydro locked it. Today i noticed a bit of milky oil at the tip of the dip stick.  I dropped the oil to find the pictured oil pour out. Again,  just the very of the stick was milky. I remember seeing the dip stick tube and stick ended at about the same level.  Im not sure if the oil in the tube wasn't getting mixed up or what. Earlier i thought some fuel would have gotten past the rings when i assumed i hydro locked it with fuel....nope!  That there is water.  At this point I have the engine down to a short block and found nothing that looks failed causing the mixture. Before i tore it down i did a compression test on it and they all were between 160 and 170. I will say the odd side cylinders all had water in them. That side also had more water running out of the exhaust running and not running........ yes not running.  I think i screwed up.  This motor is not in the boat and i was cooling it with the garden hose run into the engine hose that attaches to the transom assembly.  When i turned the garden hose on it pressurized the engine cooling system all the way out the exhaust. I may have been pushing so much water through the exhaust risers that it was making its way down to the cylinders. My other thought is it could have been the intake gasket. In some of the pictures the coolant passage look contaminated. What do you all think? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200609/272e99908bead881176894ed80042a17.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200609/6080f2655e0bda03d77b8d206303ecb0.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200609/fb201b9f0c9b9dd51f0ec9714f1f1339.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200609/80b71249345fb64e4d0d6ff74eedd3aa.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200609/9f9b34334981bcf9e19650f47a21dc7e.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: 75starflight on June 09, 2020, 07:26:45 AM
By the look of those gaskets I am guessing you had a typical general motors intake failure. I would change it and try again
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on June 09, 2020, 08:22:33 AM
Not a pretty site.  You mentioned the engine was rebuilt, rated to produce 290hp?  If the heads or deck were milled for cleanup or compression, the intake may not fit the way it is intended.  Might be worth checking.   When all back together, could you pressure test the system for leaks using air instead of water?  Say 15-20psi?   If water was in all four cylinders to one side only, it might be from the exhaust, maybe a crack or bad gasket at the riser maybe? 
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: thedeuceman on June 09, 2020, 09:30:16 AM
You put quite a few hours on it last year correct?
I agree that that intake gasket did look like it failed, but with water in  One side like you describe I would guess it has something to do with the exhaust manifold/riser or induction through the exhaust. Although i have run several motors on the floor like that with full garden hose pressure and not had a problem.


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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: fireman24mn on June 09, 2020, 03:52:30 PM
I would put my money on it was the garden hose that caused it. A friend did it to his boat in the driveway last year and have never had a problem again.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on June 10, 2020, 01:28:07 AM
I have the engine back together minus the exhaust. I guess this way I'll be able to get a drill in there to pre drill the engine mount bolts versus setting the engine, marking holes, removing engine, drilling holes,  then setting the engine again. With the amount of water in the odd cylinders when i removed the spark plugs I'm comfortable saying it was the port exhaust manifold/ riser or just a result if running it on the hose. While I have the exhaust off I'm going to look into pressure test it.

Earlier today I cut something like an inch and a half of the dip stick tube so that all the area in the stick that should normally have oil is clear of the tube. I'm not interested in having a repeat of the incident where the stick showed good oil and the oil pan was full of milk.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200610/231936087a1364347d74fa2e4745b69c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200610/512b480409b06908f2ddc6d82db8d25b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200610/2b49fa3d4a2ceaff50b86f9c3bd58ba9.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on June 10, 2020, 09:33:06 PM
The dipstick tube sits in a recess or recepticle in the pan, by shortening the tube, haven't you changed the oil level reading?
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on June 10, 2020, 11:31:27 PM
The dipstick tube sits in a recess or recepticle in the pan, by shortening the tube, haven't you changed the oil level reading?
I don't follow? I don't know what you mean by a recess. I pulled the whole tube out,  it was loose, and cut the material off the bottom. 

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on June 10, 2020, 11:40:51 PM
Ok Mike,  after a quick Google search it looks like most dipstick tubes are two piece correct?  This one is one piece with a flare 10 or so inches up that seats in the block. 

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Plugcheck on June 11, 2020, 01:36:49 AM
I didn't see any stamped lip on the dipstick tube from your photos, so I incorrectly thought it was a custom length tube designed to fit two piece applications.  Commonly used when larger pans or unique sumps are used.  Another clue was the dipstick didn't exit the end of the tube.  I wonder if that's a mercruiser thing, maybe to clear marine exhaust?  I attached a stock photo of a GM sbc stick/tube.  The crimp is close to the end, and the stick goes well past the end. 
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on June 17, 2020, 12:43:48 PM
When you forget to subtract the transom thickness from your motor mount pads you get to scramble the morning you have the boat shop dropping the motor in.  Once the engine was seated,  rear bolts in,  i took a quick look around and noticed the rear bolt hole on one motor mount pad was off the pad towards the stern....... Yay.......i had Greg yank the engine back out after i took a few measurements and off i went looking for a fab shop to build some offset brackets.  I went home to pick up my spare motor mounts,  went to Runnings for hardware,  found a shop- Fab1 and offered him enough money to make them as i waited.  Twenty minutes later i was installing them on the engine.  The engine is in and fires right up. 

I was also finally able to get some measurements for the kind of room i had for the flame arrestor.  I was actually surprised how little i have to work with.  Looks like a custom sloped arrestor in the boat's future. 

Lastly the Westland covers cover showed up the other day.  It fits good so far. I won't really know till I get the bow rail on and the fiberglass bows ordered and installed.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/42b885a21cc70ff3d74d46432679db0d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/dffcf4d5cee93ab24be0fa004e8f5c0e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/048901db80cd92141e86068f890c16d5.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/1aa51054f9976c2c0ad5976879f22805.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/8417b58d02175237654bc6fd48362b17.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/84aeb8e86041523c3e2b3eb22aa3ce0d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/c4187664e151797ca4eefc6ef6b6638a.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on July 06, 2020, 02:25:40 PM
Last week Friday Maggie helped put the bow rail on the boat stealing all the rebuilding glory.  I'm fine with it. That was pretty much the last thing to install to get it back looking correct.  Saturday was the first time on the water with the boat.  I stayed away from the main channels of the Mississippi in the event we had issues.  We also launched only a few miles from our destination out  in lake pepin just in case this boat wanted to act the same as every other time we used it.  The only issue we had was when the secondaries came online the engine would fall on its face.  It wouldn't die but would bog as long as you were in the extra 2 barrels. I wasn't going to trouble shoot that with the kids in the boat so we just stayed in the primaries and cruised in the low 30's. I remember way back to when i bought my cvx18 that had a similar issue.  It ended up being the secondary rods were too big. I'm sure it's something easy. Earlier today i also cut down the bows i bought from Rockford supply to help support the cover.  Im very happy with the final product.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200706/d0b9fd31a6951547bc7a8d839c6ed456.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200706/06a175bf906c6123129d8df5e78c4c13.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200706/4d7a11ca493101e858684ee8f8d3bd77.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200706/f9b0c06bb43d17e33092c92bdc8352db.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200706/c08b2d122cbabf35135b37da72d2dcfc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200706/2f3587dcd2e76b6a24f211cecddb08ef.jpg)

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Terry_Curran on July 07, 2020, 07:23:40 AM
I think I have an extra set of secondary metering rods that I replaced in my deck boat. I ordered new ones from jegs or summit don’t remember which one. I can check for the metering rods in a few days as they’re out where I store my boat.
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: Hyperacme on July 07, 2020, 09:30:51 AM
Great to see ya got her back on the water !
Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on July 07, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
I think I have an extra set of secondary metering rods that I replaced in my deck boat. I ordered new ones from jegs or summit don’t remember which one. I can check for the metering rods in a few days as they’re out where I store my boat.
I have a few different sets.  I just need to see what is in it currently. Thanks though. 

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Title: Re: Maggie's minivan
Post by: still_fishin on July 20, 2020, 11:24:47 AM
I went down to 0.0397 long tip metering rods and a .545 hanger and had better results. I have some secondaries now just not all of them. I have a few more options as far as has hanger/ rod combos to try.  I pretty sure im headed in the right direction based on the added fuel results so far. 

Hey Joe.......i found it. Dicks marine if you need to know.  The kids and i went down to Winona on Saturday to meet up with most my brothers families along with my dad and saw it on our way back to the launch. I spotted another Glastron hibernating....


Im currently working on two different options for a ladder on the 23. One being an original just needing 4 new mounting fittings which have been offered,  the other is a ladder off a cvx20 ski machine i intended on using on my Intimidator.  I like the clean lines of the cvx20 ladder as compared to the og 23 option.  One thing im concerned about in regards to the 20 last is if it will be deep enough deployed.  There ladder only folds down around 12 inches from the top of the swim platform.  My goal is to make it easier on my knee since surgery and safer for Maggie and the kids.  Im going to try to add another step to the 20 ladder.  Ideally the ladder will accordion down and the foot print will be no larger then the original 20 ladder.  Two 7/8" stainless hinged 60 degree tees and a short piece of 7/8 stainless tubing is all the material i should need.  I know a very skilled welder that can handle the stainless if i can't bend the tube where i want it. Ive found a short radius bender online that says it can handle soft stainless.  Is 304 soft enough? If it can't be bent ill just pie cut the corners. To keep the step from swinging under the boat while you board i was planning on notching the tee fittings and welding a stop to the top step.  Here is what I'm thinking. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200720/8feeebbbcc3a9f9aaeda5cbbd4133dc8.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200720/ffa1356be41d1a8004b44dde71f60460.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200720/1a9d89047e7cdd902079ff61b89dc5ce.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200720/d354a841e665aa4a10263968d6e56932.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200720/7aceca70912693173c5fb3cf0d9638ad.jpg)

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