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Offline Hyperacme

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2015, 12:14:56 PM »
I removed all hardware and wet sanded, compounded, FI2ed ... Then 3M came out with 3000 wet sanding disks ... so removed every thing again and redid from 3000 up ...
Luckily no snaps ...

But feel your pain !

Offline Jerry

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2015, 02:48:18 PM »
OK here goes. I have never had a boat I could just "clean up", but for new Gel-Coat I wet sand with 1200, then use Meguiar's Solo. once with a wool pad, and once with a black foam, then I have a white pad for my DA and use Wizards Shine master. you would not believe what the wizard does, like glass.
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Offline Diamond Chad

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2015, 03:16:57 PM »
Jerry, What would you recommend to bring out the best in a 30 year old gelcoat, that is in good shape?   Well cared for, always covered or indoors, no damage.  So the Wizards is the "Glaze" step?  Then do you wax over that?   I appreciate the tips. 
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Offline Jerry

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2015, 03:52:02 PM »
Just what I use. That Solo is great stuff, and you can wax after the wizard to make it last
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Offline V153

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2015, 06:10:47 PM »
Fwiw you can bring back the shine in alotta ways. Key is to get, and keep, a pile of wax on it afterward. Imho
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Offline fireman24mn

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2015, 10:34:35 AM »
Jerry, What would you recommend to bring out the best in a 30 year old gelcoat, that is in good shape?   Well cared for, always covered or indoors, no damage.  So the Wizards is the "Glaze" step?  Then do you wax over that?   I appreciate the tips.

I'm not Jerry, but my recommendation would be to sand with 800-1000 grit, then 1500-2000 grit and a final sand with 3,000.  I was in auto body industry for 15 years and when i first started the finest grit was about 1200. Towards the end of the 15 years there was 3,000 grit. There is a night and day difference between the 2 and the amount of actual buffing you have to do to get the shine back. If you finish sand with 3,000 you can buff it back by hand if you had to( good for nooks and crevasses where the buffer cant get. There are a million different compounds you can use. everyone has there favorite company. 3M makes most of it and owns most of the companies.

I always used the 3m products. I typically did not use there heavy duty compound because it was to aggressive and was more abrasive then the 3000 grit paper. Use the purple bottles its the better stuff they are even labeled 1,2,3  http://bit.ly/1yYa3uc  I would not use this http://bit.ly/1EjrHcf  unless i was not going to sand at all and just try and buff, even then I'm not a fan of it because it is so course.

Start with #1 and a wool pad doing an area aprox 2ft x2ft. You want to do smaller areas to keep the compound from drying out. Always be careful of edges. With regular paint on a hood you can remove all the paint down to metal in a second if you catch the edge. I've done it! Some people will use a softer wool pad for compound #2 or a foam I think it's more of a preference. I use wool for #2 as well.  Then #3 and a foam pad. On dark colors like black it is hard to not get swirl marks and you may have to hand glaze it after glazing with the foam pad. 
I think this has become an addiction.


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Offline Jerry

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2015, 10:41:36 AM »
Shawn, did you ever try solo? it really works. I have been a big Meguiar's fan since my show car days.
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Offline fireman24mn

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2015, 03:06:54 PM »
Shawn, did you ever try solo? it really works. I have been a big Meguiar's fan since my show car days.

Not sure if I have or not. I know I have tried many different brands. I like some but they were harder to find so i ended up mostly using 3m because its everywhere.
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Offline CVX Fever

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2015, 03:42:03 PM »
3M makes a one step compound/polish. My advice is to never remove anymore finish than you have to, to get the results you want. Especially when your talking about the original metalflake gel on these old Glastron/Carlsons. I'd try what Jerry suggested first or something similar, because I think you'll be plenty happy with the results. If not you can always wet sand.

The flake on my CVX16  shined as nice as any other boat I've come across and that was done without wet sanding. Look how bad my 18 was when I got it. I cleaned that up by compounding.



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Offline Jerry

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2015, 03:54:55 PM »
when you go through the clear-coat you get silver flake. Iknow.
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Offline GCarlover

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2015, 04:09:04 PM »
CVX Fever, do you have more pictures of your Cvx 16?  My 80 is exactly the same color but different interior.  I have dark moisture spots  where the vinyl bumpers made contact.  Tried wet sanding and all kinds of polishing compound.   No luck yet.

Offline 75starflight

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2015, 04:10:21 PM »
when you go through the clear-coat you get silver flake. Iknow.

I have that same problem on my CVZ project Jerry. That is why she is going to get a re-gel hopefully over the winter.
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Offline GCarlover

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2015, 04:25:48 PM »
When I needed a new steel wheel for the old Shorlander trailer under my CVX18 I ended up buying 2 new aluminum rims from an outfit in California. Less than $90 a piece, free shipping, no sales tax.  Then I swapped them out on my new trailer when I got that a year later. That trailer had a 5 on 4.5" bolt pattern so I'm sure yours does too.



I'm ordering 4 new rims from the same place for the tandem under my SeaRay here in a week or two. I would check them out as another option before you spend money on used rims.

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 Saw the posted picture,  I have all metal flake on the deck.  That blue CVX 18 (Laser Blue) is one of the sweetest colors.  If that's the one you buffed.  There's a Cvx 16 that color for $3000 in Grand Island.

Offline Hyperacme

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2015, 05:02:54 PM »
Compounding (medium & fine) and wax will get a good shine.

" My advice is to never remove anymore finish than you have to, to get the results you want "

I agree with Kip, do a small area of the orange and white and see how it comes out ...
I don't think gel will ever shine like flake.


Offline V153

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2015, 07:33:16 PM »

" My advice is to never remove anymore finish than you have to, to get the results you want "

Yah but knowing when you've removed just enough remains elusive.

Like Gregg said. Start out small and don't get too aggressive.

However if'n the clear's gone? It's gone! Btw I get all different colors of flake when I wet-sand the Baja.
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Offline 75starflight

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Re: Wet Sand/Buff session
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2015, 09:17:52 PM »
The stern of Phoenix is my main concern. I can't keep a shine back there. The chalky dullness comes back every time she is on the water.

Also, when I wax the stern I always get a little orange color on what I use to apply the wax. I am hoping the wet sand and finesse-it will seal it up. I plan on pulling the decals off the stern so to get them remade.

Madbohunk, I sent you a pm on your decals.
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