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Offline OleRed

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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2013, 09:50:41 AM »
Aw come on guys, it's not complicated,
poke a hole in the top of the tube with a hot nail, cool weather :  with a pint of resin - One squirt for resin, Two squirts for resin and acetone, warm weather - half a squirt in the resin and a whole squirt in resin and acetone.



I just Had to throw that in ... when Jerry was here, both his eye's opened wide when I went to mix up some resin for Okie Dokie, he said "don't you measure Anything" and I replied  "I did"

Really ... I do add more resin than it requires, but sometimes I do use a syringe to measure the stuff, more don't hurt it if you get it layed on pretty quick, but not getting enough is not good.
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2013, 09:58:53 AM »
Agreed....don't think I have ever measured....you just sort of go by feel......never had a problem but on thick build (six or more layers matt all at once) I have seen it turn really dark purple and even smoke a little. Something about chain reaction I think?
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2013, 10:27:01 AM »
The syringe made it easy and had consistent work time.
Much better then the " 7 drops " method ...
 

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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2013, 10:31:02 AM »
The drops part is misleading.  It depends on what you use to poke the hole in the tube - did you use a push pin, or a nail, or did you cut the tip off with scissors ... all would create drops of very different sizes.  Most pharmacies will give you a handful of dosing syringes for free ... keep 'em on hand, they're useful.
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2013, 10:39:35 AM »
I used a scribe to punch hole and drops come out pretty fast, maybe should have used a sewing needle ...
Container looks like a very small tooth paste tube ...
 

Offline David CVX-16

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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2013, 11:51:18 AM »
I was not very accurate in my mixing, used 48 drops for what I thought was 4 oz. of resin. The 4 oz. could have been 6 oz. I learned my lesson. The resin was from a gallon NAPA brand left over from the Glastron floor redo from about 2008. 
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2013, 01:44:38 PM »
I know you guys have been doing it “Your way” for years, and it works good. Fine, it’s your boat, do what you want, but I’ll give you some things to think about. What we use is called “Laminating Resin” it will dry, and it will harden, but it will NEVER CURE in the presence of air. If you want it to cure properly you need to either add wax, or spray mold release agent over it.  The best example of this is if you have ever sprayed Gel-coat. And not sealed it off, when you go to sand it and buff it, you will get little balls on your sandpaper, and you will never get a real hi gloss. I have also used Duratec Hi-Gloss, which is supposed to seal it, but lately I use both Hi-Gloss and wax.  The problem with wax, or mold release is it must come off. You can wash mold release off with warm soapy water. Wax needs to be remover with wax, and grease remover and sanding. After I do a floor or transom I shoot Gel-coat (with wax) or paint it to get the resin to cure.  If you don’t use the right amount if MEKP it will never harden (you come back the next day and it’s still tacky) or it will kick too fast, either way the chemical reaction may not take place. (or you may get lucky)
A little fun test, the next time you’re putting a floor or transom in take a couple plywood scraps, coat them with resin and clamp them in the vice, or put a C-clamp on it. The next day try to break them apart. The plywood will break before the joint comes loose, if you mixed it right.
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2013, 01:50:44 PM »
I was not very accurate in my mixing, used 48 drops for what I thought was 4 oz. of resin. The 4 oz. could have been 6 oz. I learned my lesson. The resin was from a gallon NAPA brand left over from the Glastron floor redo from about 2008. 

I learned my lesson with NAPA brand resin. Make sure it is a fairly new can. I picked up one from a NAPA in Columbus, NE on my way home from a bowling tournament. I made up my batches of PB and put it on the seams in the evening during dusk. The next day some of it cured some did not all mixed to the same ratio and measured with a syringe and mixing cups with the measurements marked. BTW it turned blue while it was curing and stayed tacky until I put the 1708 down on top of the seams.
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2013, 04:06:54 PM »
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but it will NEVER CURE in the presence of air
wow, wonder if the floor and transom on that GT-160 cured, did you have to spray something over it ?
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2013, 05:02:48 PM »
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but it will NEVER CURE in the presence of air
wow, wonder if the floor and transom on that GT-160 cured, did you have to spray something over it ?

And if I do not spray something over it maybe I could just put carpet on top of the tacky stuff......save time and the cost of glue ???.........I tried that little test with a couple pieces of plywood...I put some resin on them and clamped them in a vise....waited a couple hours and the plywood did break, in fact I had to hit it with a hammer to break it and it broke pretty much flush with the top of the vise jaws ;)
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2013, 05:45:21 PM »
Brandon, Resin is resin, MEKP is MEKP if it was cold out (below 70) you need to use more MEKP. I wouldn't blame NAPA, I'm sure they don't make it.

Red, ya run what ya brung. It was dry and looked good.
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2013, 05:50:49 PM »
Brandon, Resin is resin, MEKP is MEKP if it was cold out (below 70) you need to use more MEKP. I wouldn't blame NAPA, I'm sure they don't make it.



I do agree with you on that Jerry but, when the plastic tube for the MEKP was rotten enough that when I was measuring it out my thumb pressed through the plastic. And when the resin turned blue once the MEKP was mixed in? Wait, does any one know if MEKP can go bad? I am wondering this because the MEKP had a funky / sour smell.
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2013, 05:57:20 PM »
NOW YA TELL US !
Motor hasn't fallen off yet ... so must have done it right ...
I was just using 3M resin/acetone to seal holes in transom, motor bolts, U bolts, anode and drain plug.
Whipped up another batch today and it kicked in 10 to 15 min.
About 15 drops ...

Offline David CVX-16

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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2013, 06:29:37 PM »
The fiberglass and varnish have dryed. Today cleaned the seats and put on some leather and vinyl conditioner. Tomorrow will install the seats. The seats looked like a real mess at the beginning but now they look like something.
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2013, 06:31:40 PM »
LOOKIN' GREAT Dave !

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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2013, 07:57:56 PM »
another measuring trick is to go to the pharmacy and buy those test tube spoons that you give cough medicine to your kids with they are graduated in cc's ml's . CC's and ML's are the same thing  .

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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2013, 09:49:39 PM »
The seats get installed Sunday. That is it for the projects to get done before the boat is launched. Plans are for my wife and I to burn off approximately 15 gallons of old gas from last fall in the bow tank on the St. Croix this Thursday at a slow pace. Joy has not taken a ride in the CVX-16 yet. Picture of Joy and our new granddaughter.

Picture taken at the Minneapolis Institute of Arts with Summit Brewery photographers where you had to wear glasses and a smock. Because of the baby, no smock.

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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2013, 09:54:34 PM »
Picture of Joy and our new granddaughter.

New Granddaughter  ???  ???  ???

Congrats  ;)  ;)  ;)
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2013, 09:59:52 PM »
Thanks Jim.
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Re: Preserving Seat Wood
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2013, 10:11:38 PM »
She's a cutie David!
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