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Offline paulbur

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1977 SSV-167 restoration
« on: December 18, 2014, 11:00:29 PM »
Picked up this 1977 Glastron SSV-167 in Oshkosh Wisconsin. Floor had been previously removed by owner. My plan is to split the hull, install new transom and stringers, new floor and carpet, give it a good cleaning and polish and mount my 1982 Johnson V4 90 on the back! I'll post pictures and comments as I get to it!
Paul
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2014, 11:05:07 PM »
Today I split the hull. Was a little bit of work. First removed the rub rail and then the numerous screws and bolts. With a little help from my dad and a lot of patients we split the deck! The transom was quite rotten so I'm going to start fresh. I've started cleaning out all the rotten wood and old foam.
Paul
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2014, 11:45:03 PM »
On the plus side ... Where there rotted, there a lot easier to get out !
Welcome to the forum Paul ....
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2014, 09:23:34 AM »
Nice find, and a great start to that project.  I have a 1980 SSV167 with Mariner 90, very neat little boat.  Mine is still solid everywhere, but if it ever needs work i will have it done because I really like this model :)  Hope you have good luck and have some fun with it!



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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2014, 09:35:29 AM »
Welcome Paul, watching with interest as I have an SSV project I'll be starting on soon.  Keep the pics and updates coming please!
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2014, 01:31:14 PM »
Thanks for all the interest in the posts! This weekend I plan on tearing out old stringers and the remaining foam. I've taken all my measurements and have made a drawing of all the components. More pictures and posts to come!

You are right Hyperacme! Once the fiberglass was cut away with the help of the sawzaw the rotted wood came out with ease. Maclin I hope you don't mind if I sent you a couple PMs on placement of floor hatch and whatnot. MarkS that's great, I hope my posts will make your project a little easier
Paul
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2014, 02:20:33 PM »
Many of us have used "Oscillating Multifunction Tool" for removing old wood / fiberglass.
http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/oscillating-tools/variable-speed-multifunction-power-tool-67537.html

Slower .. but good for precise cuts ...
Metal cutting bits last longer then the wood cutting bits.
http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools.html?CatPath=All%2BProducts%252F%252F%252F%252FPower%2BTools%2F%2F%2F%2FMulti-Tool+Accessories&RequestData=CA_CategoryExpand

Please keep us posted on your progress ...
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2014, 02:44:41 PM »
I've been using this new toy on my '91 CSS project.  Doubles as a saw and a grinder.  Even has a "flush" cut tool so you can use it as a circular saw right up to the very edge/corner of the floor, etc.


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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2014, 11:36:31 PM »
Removed a majority of the foam and rotted wood stringers out tonight. One more day of "demo" and I'll have it done, then hopefully on Monday I can start on reconstruction!

Was wondering everyones opinion on foam rather than plywood for the stringers. I've read a few forum posts that say the wood is much more structurually strong - but after tearing this boat apart its become clear that the strength is in the fiberglass, not the wood.
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2014, 11:41:25 PM »
Forgot the picture!
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2014, 12:03:01 AM »
HA HA ...
Here we go with the "Wood" question again ...
I'm gonna sit this one out.

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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2014, 05:19:22 AM »
While it's true there are some hull designs that used foam and even cardboard forms to shape the stringers, in our boats the wood "backbone" in the framework is structural.  IE: it needs to be there for strength.  Unless you have a mechanical engineer design a better method, I would stick with what Glastron used.  Granted they could have done a better job with the quality of the glass work in many cases, and Lord knows the drain positioning could have been better, but stick with the original design on stringer composition.  (The only possible exception would be composite materials like King Starboard or "Tuff Board", but I have no experience with those.  Others like Doug may be able to advise more on that subject.)

I encapsulate all wood in CSM then tab it in (and over) with 1708 biaxial, water should never get to the wood to start the dreaded rot process.  NO SCREWS thru or into the floor after the last layer of fiberglass goes down, moisture will work it's way in eventually.  Properly treated, installed, and maintained the wood should last longer than most of us! 

Just my humble opinion, it's worked for me.   ;)
Mark
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2014, 08:02:34 PM »
The problem with wood is no matter how much you seal it or laminate or tab it. All it takes is one screw hole to break that bond, then sooner or later water gets in.

If'n yer using a composite like Tuff Stuff, or a honeycomb like Plascore, or a prelaminated version like Coosa Board. You can drill as many holes in it as you like. It'll never absorb water.

That, and it's lighter'n wood but just as strong. Plus it's far easier to tool.

I like it and plan on using it again on the C500 resto. If I live so long ...
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2015, 06:36:58 PM »
Thanks for everyone's help. After much research I've decided to go forward with marine plywood.

Sorry I haven't posted a whole lot, but such is life and you get busy. I finished cleaning up the boat and ripped the fiberglass off the top of the old stringers. I'll use the original slots to place my new stringers and later fill them with epoxy and fresh glass. I laminated two pieces of the marine plywood (3/4" thick) to make the thickness required for the transom. After a lot of glue and weight the new transom came to life!

I also started cutting the stringers..lets just say its not fun. Many measurements, many cuts..I'll post pictures of that when I'm completed them all.
Paul
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2015, 10:04:26 PM »
A couple pictures of the stringers and transom work. By the weekends end I'm hoping to have the rest cut and in place.
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2015, 07:48:31 AM »
Good job.   And interesting method of hanging it from the rafters to work on it overhead  ;)   lol...
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2015, 03:58:26 PM »
Woodwork done, now onto fiberglass.

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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2015, 07:55:21 PM »
Well I finally found some time and started work again on the 167. I removed the remaining fiberglass folds that held the old stringers. I avoided using the grinder (grinding fiberglass is never fun) and was able to peel it out with a flat crowbar and hammer (surprisingly easy). I also recut the cross stringers because I wasn't happy about the fit. I used 1/2" foam sheets and shaped it to the contours of the hull, then traced it onto the plywood.
Today I attached the first layer of the transom, the SSV has a small lip where the transom sits that is about 3/4" thick. The first layer of plywood will sit on that, the second will be slightly larger that I will apply in a couple days.
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2015, 08:48:32 PM »
Taking is slow and steady. Glassed in both transom pieces and am now starting progress on the stringers. Began with the rear and will work my way forward. More photos to come as progress continues
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Re: 1977 SSV-167 restoration
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2015, 09:23:33 AM »
Looks good so far, good plan, thanks for the pics :)
Dan
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1991 HydroSwift 2200 Cuddy VP 570/DP