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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #80 on: May 15, 2018, 01:57:33 PM »
It's really kind of funny on how many different opinions there are out there on 'how to fiberglass', weather you read it online or talk to someone, everyone has different opinions on whats wrong and whats right.

Since I got the first layer of transom on I added some Bondo filler to either side to make it all flush. Now I've got the second layer on!
The transom consists of 3/8 ply, then 3/4 ply, then a sheet of 1/2 ply, that plus the hull thickness and some fiberglass on the inside should bring me up to 2 to 2-1/8" thickness.
One more sheet to go on and then can start fitting the stringers and tabbing them in.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #81 on: August 13, 2018, 02:39:15 PM »
So it's been a long time since I posted last, summer is super busy and haven't had much time working on the boat  :(
Was able to get the stringers cut and the wax coating removed and I'm ready to glass them in.

I have also done a little experiment with a small chunk of the left over LVL (laminated veneer lumber). From research and others opinions online there has been warning about the glue in them not holding up to moisture, so I took a chunk and threw it in a bucket of water and left it for the better part of 2 months.
Well the wood soaked up the water, as most wood/plywood would. But the glue is still firmly holding it all together. I cannot break it apart by hand. So i feel pretty comfortable in the decision with the LVL. It'll be a good strong hull, along with sealing everything up well and keeping it dry I'm sure it'll last a long time.

Few pics on them below.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #82 on: September 24, 2018, 11:00:57 AM »
Few more pictures for an update:

Got the inner and outer strakes glued down. The outer strakes are new as Glastron didn't have them there before. I have seen this is a weak spot in the design
Also added a piece of hardwood up where the trailer cleat is

Slowly but surly it's coming along!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #83 on: September 24, 2018, 02:19:27 PM »
The floor up in the cuddy is lower then the rest of the floor. I can't tell from your pics but did you account for that or are u cutting it lower in the boat. I also added a center stringer to mine under the cuddy floor. A lot of these boats crack where the cuddy floor meets the main floor.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #84 on: September 24, 2018, 02:36:47 PM »
Yes I am changing things around slightly for the cuddy, instead of having two levels of floor in the cuddy I am just making one, which is about 5" lower than the main floor. I am planning on having the cushions all on the same level to form a bed, instead of having it like a wrap around bench. The extra area in the center below the bed I will use as storage.
I have seen cracks in the hulls where the cuddy floor meets the main floor near the outside of the boat, I have been contemplating adding a center stringer or not.

This picture may show better:
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #85 on: September 24, 2018, 04:10:17 PM »
On cooler days or to get out of sun or rain it is nice to be able to sit up in the cuddy. With the center cushion out adults can sit up in there comfortably. I did not make the center cushions for mine but others have the 2 cushions to make it into the bed. Also when on a beach it is a lot easier to get in and out of the front hatch then over the side for many people. If you fill in the floor people will have to crawl up to the hatch. Just a thought.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #86 on: September 24, 2018, 09:25:59 PM »
Just an eyeball comparison, but his cuddy floor looks to be the same height as yours Shawn, his open cabin appears lower.  I wonder if the seats will need special bases to work with the lower floor?
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #87 on: September 24, 2018, 09:44:10 PM »
There are three floor levels. The main cabin, then two in the cuddy. I agree with Shawn 100%. If you were to pick one configuration over the other use the dual height floor. Sitting under the cuddy is very useful for many reasons. Also climbing through the bow hatch is easier without climbing on the cushions. Just something to think about.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #88 on: September 25, 2018, 10:11:37 AM »
Yes it looks like my main floor will be lower from my pictures but that's only because of my LVL stringers are at the cuddy floor height, I will be building them up for the main floor so it will be same as original.

So my plan for the cuddy is pretty close to what your pictures are Jason, Only difference is I would have the center section (lowest floor) have a removable carpeted lid, then a cushion on top. So you could remove all the center stuff and put your legs down if you really wanted to.
Before I tore it all apart I wasn't able to sit comfortably in there, but that could be because the cushions are close to 6" thick!
Will have to do some playing around when I get the top back on to see how it will all work and feel.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #89 on: September 25, 2018, 01:34:40 PM »
That sounds like a good idea. Don’t forget the drain in there too!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #90 on: October 29, 2018, 07:44:38 AM »
Well fiberglassing is fun...

Was surprised how much resin I went through to glass in all the stringers and bulk heads.
I tell yea, good and strong now!
I also reinforced the bow cleat as I will be using it to flip the hull.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #91 on: November 02, 2018, 02:20:20 PM »
Got the hull flipped! I built a pipe jig that I bolted to the transom so I could get a strap out past the swim platform, along with using the front hook it went very well! Two cherry pickers to do the work, the boat was fairly well balanced all the way around.

Now the fun work begins! Get to fix the damage and clean up the bottom. Definitely going to be a lot easier to work on then leaving it on the trailer or working upside down.

Here's a couple picture, and yes of course it was the worst weather to be doing this in, right around freezing and rain!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #92 on: November 02, 2018, 02:38:40 PM »
Cool! At least you know your transom is solid now!!
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #93 on: November 02, 2018, 03:04:14 PM »
      I used a 2" pipe in similar fashion to flip the Timi hull.    It was 24' long, and used part of the football cutout on the transom end, and a metal fixture at the bow bolted to the bow eye connections.   Flipped with a lift and cherry picker.    Looks like your making great progress, what is the plan for a bottom finish?
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #94 on: November 02, 2018, 09:49:31 PM »
There is a lot of hook built into the hull if your doing it I would remove it. I did that and raised the drive 2 inches. The boat drives and handles great.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #95 on: November 05, 2018, 09:21:23 AM »
Yes! good test for the transom eh!

I have been planning on painting the bottom, I have had good luck with it before. I believe I used an Interlux product, will have to look back to find what it was.
Don't think I am really up to doing gel coat..

Did a quick visual check for hook and looks like there is around 1/4". Doesn't the hook help the boat get onto plane faster? I will be using the boat for a lot of water skiing, so if I remove it will it effect how quickly it planes? I am more about getting onto plane as fast as possible as top speed numbers.
Maybe best to remove hook and add trim tabs down the road?
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #96 on: November 05, 2018, 11:27:38 AM »
These boats are small and light enough that the hook wouldn't really help or hurt getting on plane in my opinion. I think it was put in the hull more as a limiter of sorts for speed. I am not an expert on hull design thought so I have no idea. I modified mine a lot with raising the drive, cutting weight and blue printing the hull. Mine gets on plane almost instantly now.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #97 on: November 05, 2018, 11:28:42 AM »
I think getting on plane fast has more to do with prop selection then hook in hull.
Hook would affect higher speeds.
Good running 350 shouldn't have any problem pulling skiers / tubers with the right prop.

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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #98 on: November 05, 2018, 02:46:51 PM »
Hook forces the bow down, increasing the wetted surface, and creates stability in doing so.  Trim tabs do the same, but can be adjusted, whereas hook is not adjustable. Plenty of info out there concerning hook and rocker.   It's a lot of work to do correctly, and really important only if chasing top speed.  I doubt it's presence would be an issue for skiing applications.
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Re: '89 Glastron Carlson 23CSS Project and Repair
« Reply #99 on: November 06, 2018, 07:06:40 AM »
Okay thanks for the input guys!
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