Author Topic: 1987 Glastron/Carlson CVX-16 (Read 133169 times)

Hyperacme · « **Reply #40 on:** April 15, 2012, 04:51:56 PM »

Dave ...
Is the VRO still hooked up ?

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 15, 2012, 05:03:50 PM »

Plan to keep the VRO, but to make sure no air or water in the system.

84carlson · « **Reply #42 on:** April 15, 2012, 07:49:55 PM »

I've been running VRO systems for years never had any problems; my 84 Johnson 140 was one of the first ones they made. As I recall you can insert the key in the controls and test the low oil and over temp horn.

Now I'm running a 97 Johnson 115, it has been trouble free and you burn about 1/2 the oil. The newer Johnson's have the System Check System and give you more warnings but the controls and gauges are expensive.

Joe

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 15, 2012, 09:06:54 PM »

The owners manual on the 1984 Johnson 115 tells how to test for audibles. Something like inserting an extra key to short something and then another test for the engine overheat. I'll have to read the manual and test the audibles before getting out in the water.

The VRO system is almost a necessity with the 18 gallon gas tank under the deck. If it were not for the VRO system, each filling of gas into the bow tank would have to be premixed in, say, a 6 gallon can and then poured in.

76bayflite · « **Reply #44 on:** April 15, 2012, 09:09:25 PM »

Nah, I just pour oil in with the gas david...it sloshes around and mixes on your way to the lake/river from the gas station.

V153 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 15, 2012, 09:32:37 PM »

For what it's worth VRO doesn't deserve it's bad reputation Works well when it's working. But boy I' rather not think about what might happen if'n it stops working

Y'know oil injection is all well'n good 'til a few seconds after it stops being injected ...?

Rich_V174SS · « **Reply #46 on:** April 15, 2012, 09:44:08 PM »

All the VRO failures I've come across were with ones that failed to pump fuel. Also, if you let them sit long enough without being used they will often flood with oil which totally saturates the lines and carbs with nothing but oil. The only time I've seen one that didn't pump oil it was because water had gotten into the oil tank and it infiltrated the VRO.

Jason · « **Reply #47 on:** April 15, 2012, 11:16:29 PM »

Quote from: David CVX-16 on April 15, 2012, 05:03:50 PM

Plan to keep the VRO, but to make sure no air or water in the system.

Those seat will sure hold you in place when whipping around! I think Jamie has fell between the seats in the CV16 a few times with the way I drive!!

V153 · « **Reply #48 on:** April 16, 2012, 04:22:35 PM »

Ya those are sweeet! I'd kill for a pair like that. Looks really good David. Nice find.

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 17, 2012, 04:43:48 PM »

Had the day off from work today and dug into the CVX-16. White Bear Boat Works is going to touch up the end of the hull at the middle of the boat, making a sharp edge where some fiberglass is missing at the end corner and matching the gelcoat, took off the lower unit and brought it over to the prop and alum welding man to either straighten out the skeg or replace it, bought a water impeller and housing unit, and sold the 22" Mercury chopper stainless steel prop to someone running a 450 pound Checkmate with a 150 HP Merc. Even with the sale, spent more money than I took in.

Had trouble getting the lower unit off so called a Johnson outboard marine repair shop in East Bethel and took the boat and motor over to Scott to look at. He was most helpful. I had forgotten one bolt, and then there is a metal rod connection from the lower unit into the engine area for shifting gears that is disconnected by a bolt under the carbs under the engine hood. Scoot had alot of good advice. The Johnson motor has been factory modified (slapped a "work done" skicker on the motor) to accomodate poorer gas by fitting in a thicker head gasket. Okay to run regular, but I will run BP premium. Also advice about spark plugs and a better route for the speedometer hookup off the engine. I may have discovered my new Johnson mechanic.

Still alot left to do.

Jerry · « **Reply #50 on:** April 17, 2012, 06:26:52 PM »

OMC's love NGKs
Get that compression killing gasket out of there!!

V153 · « **Reply #51 on:** April 17, 2012, 07:51:08 PM »

Quote from: Jerry on April 17, 2012, 06:26:52 PM

OMC's love NGKs

'Specially NGK Irridiums.

Ya Dave it's difficult to yank the gearcase with the shiftrod bolt, and I'm guessing the lil bolt by the torque tab? still attatched. Been there. Heh heh heh

Welcome to the world of OMCs my friend. Whole new ball game for a Merc guy ain't it. Don't fret. The rules are basically the same but the players wear different equipment ...?

Carry on.

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 17, 2012, 08:09:39 PM »

It is a different world, different engineering thoughts and ways of doing things. Can't say which is better. Both Mercury and Johnson are the leaders in outboard motors with strong engineering and testing facilities. Alot is what you are used to.

V153 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 17, 2012, 09:16:56 PM »

Quote from: David CVX-16 on April 17, 2012, 08:09:39 PM

Can't say which is better

Agreed! It's been my hard earned experience that one is better off remaining neutral whilst discussing that particular issue ...

wiliermdb · « **Reply #54 on:** April 17, 2012, 10:18:56 PM »

OMC's love NGKs

I guess that's a matter of opinion. Six different mechanics at 5 different dealers/shops all said to use Champion plugs. Both of mine ran better when I put Champions back in. Go figure.

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #55 on:** April 18, 2012, 05:48:43 PM »

Picked up skeg today from the prop man. Wow, one day turnaround. He was able to straighten the skeg and fill four former hydrofoil holes. Now to sand out the rough areas and bring to the paint man.

Hyperacme · « **Reply #56 on:** April 18, 2012, 06:28:57 PM »

Dave
Was hoping to stop by and see your new CVX last Sat. but you were working ...
Going to Jeff's this Sat. .. so maybe two Sat. from now ?
Don't think I can wait until we get them on the water to see it ... LOL
I'll bring the Merc mounting instructions/ template ... Just incase you don't like the Johnson ...

V153 · « **Reply #57 on:** April 18, 2012, 07:33:46 PM »

Yo David does that motor have the built in pee toe? If it does there'll be a 1/8" hole 'bout 2" above the propshaft, drilled/cast into the leading edge of the gearcase. Comes out just under the top. From what I'm told they actually work purty good with mechanical speedometers. I got a GPS so the point is moot. Went ahead'n cleaned the passage as best I could'n plugged it with caulk. Wasn't real hip on our salty water circulating through a lil worm hole in the fronta my gearcase?

V153 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 18, 2012, 07:50:36 PM »

Quote from: wiliermdb on April 17, 2012, 10:18:56 PM

OMC's love NGKs

I guess that's a matter of opinion. Six different mechanics at 5 different dealers/shops all said to use Champion plugs. Both of mine ran better when I put Champions back in. Go figure.

Well you know what they say about opinions ... It is my opinion, and experience, that NGK Irridiums perform the best on my old crossflow motors. Were your 6 outa 5 mechanics model specific?

No offense! Not tryin' to start a fight. Heck I grew up on Champeens? But these NGKs are the cat's a** for me personally.

David CVX-16 · « **Reply #59 on:** April 18, 2012, 08:17:17 PM »

Doug, yes there is a hole right above the bulge above the gearcase where the water goes in and it is connected to the speedometer rubber cable right at the top of the lower unit, above the second horizonal plate. Of course I broke it off the top connection in the process of disconnecting everything off the lower unit so bought a new connection ($6). Good you reminded me about the lower hole. That will have to be covered along with the upper hole before the lower unit is painted. The lower unit seems to have very blunt leading edges on the lower unit from skeg all the way up. Am going to sharpen the edges from top to bottom. Tomorrows project.

The 22" Raker and 21" SST II are on their way. The 17" aluminlum prop the motor came with is for sale on Craigslist.

Gregg - come on over anytime to see the boat. It is going to White Bear Boat Works soon for bottom repair.