Minnesota Classic Glastron Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hotwired on September 04, 2010, 05:40:36 PM
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Well, she's not pretty but she's mine. Not sure if that is a good thing or not! LOL
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Can ya have it done by next Aug. 20th ?
Looks good Chris !
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Sure ... Any particular year????? ;D
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... LOL
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Well Chris, as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I see classic lines & the potential to haul a**!? Don't look like she's been all that cannibalized from here? Though I do have a few questions about the transverse mounted engine ...
That walkaround plank on the port side of the trailer is purty killer too. Imo.
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Transom is shot. Stringers are shot. Floor is GONE. Seats are GONE. Engine is there, kind of. Drive it there, should make a great anchor. Dash is intact. Tailer rolls great! Trailer Lights???? Optional!!!! ... and the keys are in it! Maybe I should bring this one up to the meet next year and see if anyone can make the "transverse" mounted engine start! I washed it thinking it would look better and all that happened is my wash pad is about half the size it was before I started and there is a lot of flake in my wash pale! Only difference in appearance is that it's a bit fuzzy from the wash pad!
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Hey Chris
You might have to change the name to "Not such a cheap thrill" or something like that! ;D
As they (we) say, it has potential. Has the wife seen it yet? :o
Are those bullet holes in the transom or?
Motor is taking up passenger space. Other then that... :D
Just giving you grief! That will be a bad *ss boat with a V8 in it and since you have to replace the transom, you can cut out whatever kind of hole you need.
At least you saved it from any further abuse and neglect. I can see a diamond in the rough there for sure. What was their intent with the motor and outdrive yanked? Transom? What were all those holes for????? Did this have a swim platform? I dont think so if its a 16.
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Congrats! Now you & Lawson can race to see who gets theirs done first!
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I think Lawson will have a leg up on me. This one, not as big but needs a complete rebuild. What it will look like when done I don't know. Name? Will certainly be renamed! Will go though the de-naming ritual soon! With the aid of a power buffer and sander! Still hoping a 260 Mercruiser will fit in there. If not maybe a 888 Mergruiser (302) using the engine it came with and a mercruiser drive. Anyone need a OLD OMC DRIVE? got to get this out of the boat so I can see what is left of the engine mounts and stringers! :-/
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That old drive must be worth some bucks. I know I paid 500.00 for a used one (73 vintage) and was told by Twin City Outboard that a rebuilt would be around 1500.00!
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If it's an 800, I need the long curved tilt gear. Heck if it's an 800 I would run it.
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I know NOTHING about the OMC drives other than they do not have trim. I will find out what it is. I need to get it over to my buddy's shop so I can get the engine and drive unloaded.
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I know NOTHING about the OMC drives other than they do not have trim. I will find out what it is. I need to get it over to my buddy's shop so I can get the engine and drive unloaded.
OMC's have trim. They have hydraulic rams on the motor mounts to trim the entire engine/outdirve assy which is why they have the big rubber boot on the transom. They have tilt too to tilt the outdrive out of the water but can not be ran this way.
Wait a minute. Isn't that a Volvo outdrive?
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Came from Glastron with a Volvo outdrive!
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true ... sorry ... I have a tendancy to interchange VOLVO and OMC! :o
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I don't need no stinkin' Volvo parts.
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It is the Volvo Drive ... here are some more pix.
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Buddy you have your hands full. But I have all the faith in the world that you will bring her back to original luster. Congrats on your find. I know you have been searching for this one.
Keep the pictures coming. Great find Chris.
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Long term project here I am afraid. But, will get it on the lake someday. Funds as tight as they are, there are still a lot of little things I can start with. It is on a half-way good trailer and I have a lot of parts to go through. I want to get the engine on a stand and make sure it does not get any worse off. Got to get it upright and oiled up. Eventually want to be able to start it on a stand and keep it fresh. It should make a great blender or blower for the garage for a while! Love to crank up a V8 and let it growl now and then!!
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Lifted the engine and out drive out of the hull today. Engine is now sitting on a pallot in the garage and I built a stand to put the outdrive on. Boat looks better already!
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Lookin good Chris. The outdrive stand is sweet!
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Nice job Chris! Wish I had that engine hoist right now!
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You're right...it does look better already. Quite the stand you built there. Those buggers are awkward to do much with otherwise, for sure.
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You're right...it does look better already. Quite the stand you built there. Those buggers are awkward to do much with otherwise, for sure.
I have two spare drives for the 27 that need stands.. .guess what I am going to do when I get home. BTW .. been hunting and fishing for a week in Montana. Hunting not been so hot (archery season, first time around) but I caught my limit of trout!
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Throw them on a grate over an open fire. Man that's good eating.
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Got my mouth watering, nice catch Chris!
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We did .. some of them anyhow. And ya ... you anit a kiddin', great eating! Specially right out of the lake! WOW! Rainbow and stripers.
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Chris ...
Since you have to redo every thing any how how about one of theses little bad boys ?
http://www.mercurymarine.com/engines/inboards/sterndrives/mpi4-3l.php
Power - 220HP (162KW)
Full Throttle Range - 4400 - 4800 RPM
Displacement -262 CID (4.3L)
Engine Type - V6
Bore & Stroke 4.00" X 3.48" (101mm X 88mm)
Compression Ratio 9.4:1
Fuel Requirement 87 Octane (R+M)/2
Engine Control System -ECM 555 with SmartCraft CAN Capability
Fuel Delivery System -Gen II Cool Fuel
Fuel Injection System - Multi-Point Electronic Fuel Injection
Dimensions (LxWxH) in -28 x 30 x 22
Weight w/ Alpha (lbs./kg) - 865/393
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I'll pick up another loto ticket ... ;D ... you never know!
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Merc V6's have been around for some time now, might find one cheap in an older beat up boat.
Buddy of mine has one in a 2003 Larson 19 foot open bow (Volvo 190 HP V6) and can get over 50 mph gps with a SS prop, and that boat is twice the weight of your CV !
Robbing a bank would be quicker ...
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I did a bit of exploratory buffing last night. It will not look like new but it will dress up and look OK. The half I buffed is beginning to shine a little the other side has the grain raised to the point it feels like 80 grit sand paper!
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Hey Chris, I need that little fellow in my shop for a few weeks, hmmmm ... hardwood ply transom, sandwiched and overlayed with Kevlar mat, ply bonded stringers, hardwood ply floor, injected foam, 2000 model 5.7 Vortec (sittin in my garage ) bored .060, flat pistons, aluminum exhaust manifolds, polished 600cfm Edlebrock Performer carb & aluminum intake, custom camshaft, Alpha One Mercruiser drive, 1.47 ratio, raised 2 1/2 inches, and I'd loan you my prop if you will include me in your insurance policy ... I'd speculate a speed in the high 70's[/b
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You want a project ::) Come and get it! I wish I had the time and resources to get it put together right away. The other California CV-16ssV8 is in the area here and I will get to go look it over. Sure would be great to have a pair of them on the lake side by side!
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Yo Red. Think that motor'd fit in a V153? (Just in case Chris don't take ya up on it ...)
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Lots of work Chris but looks a heck of a lot better.
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Actually ... that took only an hour. 3 step process. Dry sand with an orbital sander with 80 grid then 120. Buff with 3M heavy cutting compound. then finish buff with 3M finessit. Will need a few more buffing with the finessit but shines up and waxes up real well.
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You want a project ::) Come and get it! I wish I had the time and resources to get it put together right away. The other California CV-16ssV8 is in the area here and I will get to go look it over. Sure would be great to have a pair of them on the lake side by side!
I got two other projects to get out, one by thanksgiving, and the other is a secret ... :)
but I sure would like to do that job for you, it Would be a Hot Rod. I wonder how fast that hull would go before it becomes unstable
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Canon Ball Eyes
I love it !
Keep up the good work Chris ...
and keep postin' pictures !
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I wonder how fast that hull would go before it becomes unstable
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I don't know but I want to find out! ;D
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OLERED WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?????? Thats my motor.
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OLERED WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?????? Thats my motor.
Ooops .. I forgot Barb ... , you Know my memory ain't that good, Please don't to beat me up, those pole climbing boots would hurt a lot worse than spurs .. I'm Sorry .... what was I thinking. ???
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LOL .. don't worry Barb .... I have a garage full of motors Red can play with! I should load the lot of them in to the truck and head to Oklahoma!
There are always a lot of "donor" boats around out here in AZ due to the toll the sun takes on things. I will keep an eye out for a Gen II engine and drive. Preferably a 260 package. Might start collecting them too! I do have a late 70's vintage Chevy 350 4 bolt main truck engine I was going to build for a boat. That usable as a short block maybe a good place to start? Also, are there drive differances between the 302 drive and the 305 drive aside from the bell housing? Would a 888 out drive be interchangeable with a 898 or a 260 (ford vs Chevy)?
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LOL .. don't worry Barb .... I have a garage full of motors Red can play with! I should load the lot of them in to the truck and head to Oklahoma!
I have contemplated doing the same thing with the CVZ18 & the 898 motor...
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That usable as a short block maybe a good place to start? Also, are there drive differances between the 302 drive and the 305 drive aside from the bell housing? Would a 888 out drive be interchangeable with a 898 or a 260 (ford vs Chevy)?
There's no difference in the Mercruiser drive's, as far as the Chevy and Ford application, just the bell housing and the engine side mounts, the ratio is important though, you should run a 1.50 ratio, or a 1.47 but I ran a 1.84 on my boat to begin with, just used a 15 1/8 diameter prop, 22 pitch and it still ran in the 60's with the other motor. That early model block you have would be Ideal to start with, but the late model Vortec heads flow the best, good torque with out a lot of machine work, and they will bolt right on it with the vortec head bolts. the carborated intake manifold is getting easy to find now for those heads, and stainless steel valves are good insurance. Another edge for speed is those GLM aluminum high performance exhaust manifolds from Dennis Moore in California, they flow good, and take 100 pounds weight off the motor, they have individual runners like headers on a street rod. you can loose 160 pounds off the motor just by paying attention to the exhaust manifolds, starter, use the little High Torque, it's 9 pounds lighter than the original, aluminum water pump is 7 pounds lighter, intake manifold about 25 pounds lighter, and the fly wheel can be changed out for one 13 pounds lighter, all that is kinda like kicking your buddy out of the boat when ya want to Race. The camshaft alone, Chevy's "Hot Cam" vrs a stock cam can add about 80 hp to a fresh motor, believe it or not.
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Holly Molly! I am going to have to save all this info! The wt advantage alone is huge I can see.
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Hey Jeff any of this aluminum parts talk sound familiar? ;D
Good stuff Red! Jeff & I have often discussed the merits of getting rid of cast iron engine pieces and replacing with aluminum to shave weight increase & performance on our CVX18s.
This is great discussion because the original drive & motor is coming out of my '79 CVX18 next fall and I'll be looking for a donor boat w/5.7 Alpha Gen II, although I'll go w/5.7 Gen I if I find a deal too good to pass up. I've looked into it and it seems that is the easiest & cheapest way to go. Especially if you consider your time is worth something. Then you've got EVERYTHING and you know it will all go back together without issues.
Red - How did you go about getting the newer drive/motor for your Scimitar?
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I bought a 1996 Celebrity with a rotton floor and a 4.3 that was freeze cracked, and the Gen II drive ... really cheap ;D
thats how I got my drive, it was a 1,84 ratio, I run it that way for a year or so, but then I had it built last year with 1.47 gears. The Alpha One Gen I has the the same gears, but I think the only difference in the Gen II is the larger upper gear case and a taller front bearing, I liked the idea it holding more lube, and a remote resivoir.
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Red - The Gen 2 is rated to handle more HP than the Gen 1. 300 @ the prop vs the input shaft. I've also been told the design of the raw water impeller was improved so they last longer. Although my dad is still runnning the original in his '86 Glastron w/Gen 1. :o Good score on the Celebrity. I'm sure you got that for a lot less than trying to buy a used drive system on ebay or craigslist. Is your motor the original from your Scimitar?
Hotwired - FYI If you want a Gen 2 drive for your CV16 your gonna have to be looking for a '92 or newer boat.
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Red - The Gen 2 is rated to handle more HP than the Gen 1. 300 @ the prop vs the input shaft. Is your motor the original from your Scimitar?
hmmm .. not quite the original motor, this one is a 2000 model Chevy vortec 5.7 4 bolt, I carborated it with the Edlebrock performer carb and intake, bored it .060 decked the block, flat pistons, moly rings, custom roller 292 split .505/.510 cam, vortec heads milled .030 stainless steel Manley valves, Z springs and retainers, 1.5 rockers, Cloyes roller timing set, Melling HV oil pump, 4.3 flywheel, aluminum hv waterpump, GLM high performance aluminum exhaust manifolds, thru-hills, Thunderbolt ignition, gear reduction starter. According to the machine shop, the motor is develpoing 425 /435 hp, the boat runs low 70's w/2 or 3 passengers. here's my favorite Video ... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-kK0gSKHlo&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-kK0gSKHlo&feature=player_embedded)
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Hotwired - FYI If you want a Gen 2 drive for your CV16 your gonna have to be looking for a '92 or newer boat.
Thanks .. I was wondering what year the Mercruisers changed.
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Red - Where did you source the motor? I had seen pictures of it before so I was pretty sure it wasn't the original. My experience is that used fully dressed marine engines are hard to come by and then when you do find them they want big bucks!!! Which is why I keep going back to just buy the whole boat.
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Red - Where did you source the motor?
My friend and I bought two 1 ton truck, pick-ups, from a state vehicle auction, the trucks were rough, but both drove home, I got the motors and my buddy parted out the trucks, identical motors, thick blocks with 4 bolt mains, same block as marine applications.
Buying a whole boat is the way to go alright, but I have been parting out I/O boats for several years, was a licensed used boat dealer here in Oklahoma for 7 years. until last week-end, I had more used Mercruiser motor parts, hoses, and mr drive stuff than you could shake a stick at, but since I don't use the older stuff anymore, I had a real Garage Sale, sold two fellows a pick-up load each, kinda funny, I sold all that stuff, and ya can't tell it by looking in my garage .. it's Still a Mess.
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This is making me think that I should join Glastron Boat Weight Watchers and attend weekly meetings.
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Thats a Good Idea Barb, develop a 12 step program for it and have weekly meeting at my shop ... starting with Your boat ... Monday
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Buying a whole boat is the way to go alright, but I have been parting out I/O boats for several years, was a licensed used boat dealer here in Oklahoma for 7 years.
Red I didn't realize you were a boat dealer at one time. No wonder you know your way around them so well. Thanks for confiming what I kind of suspected about buying a whole boat versus all the pieces. Mine will be stripped right down to the bare hull, motor & drive wise. I'll need everything.
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This is making me think that I should join Glastron Boat Weight Watchers and attend weekly meetings.
My Name is Hotwired. I own 4 Glastrons. Only 2 run. I keep them under tarps and polish them at night. I am a GLASTRON-O-HOLIC.
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I don't have a problem
I don't have a problem
I don't have a problem
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My name is Tom and I don't know how many boats is too many but I know 14 is not enough......I don't think I have a problem it's the rest of my family I'm worried about.
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Red
Got any exhaust manifolds laying around still? :D I know some mercruisers will bolt up but the plumbing is different.
Since my stock ones are garbage, I need to decide what direction to go and aluminum sounds like great option when you start talking weight. Are they still jacketed/water cooled? Who makes them?
Over the next couple of years (once I know my motor is good) I'd like to make some changes and get some more horse power. I'll need to talk to you about a good starting place.
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Hi Rossco, I buy my manifolds from Dennis Moore in California, here's a link .. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ALUMINUM-MERCRUISER-EXHAUST-MANIFOLD-RISER-KIT-305-350-/160494176288?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item255e32c820
several of my friends have bought them from him also, best price as far as I know, and quick shipping, the whole kit only has a shipping weight of 54 pounds.
You will need a thermostat housing also for the center rise manifolds, the older style won't work, the supply orfice must be on the port side of the thermostat housing, the early style is on the starbord side, that one is for the log style manifolds with the riser on the rear. I don't have any more laying around.
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Thanks for the info. I'll check them out. Someone mention GLM to me too. Suppose to be good.
Sorry Chris...off topic :o