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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: V153 on June 05, 2014, 09:33:02 PM
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You ain't seen nuthin yet. Me'n Bobby Beer grew a wild hair'n dug into the C500 a lil more. It's a mess. But ... compared to the 153 resto it oughta be a piece of cake. Transom + stringer + floor = Done. Well add paint, interior, rigging & motor and it's done ...?
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Hey Doug, I'd say that boat is water ready. Wait...I think the water is on the wrong side of the hull.
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Mine was worse Doug. At least you don't also have to rebuild the seat boxes. Good luck. The fun part is next. I loved my rebuild.
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Nah that ain't no water John. That's the nasty crud that dribbled outa the fuel line when we disconnected it at the splash well fitting. Got everything off cept the light socket & wire bundle thingy.
Plan is to eliminate the bow tank & use that area for storage, as there is virtually none in the boat. "Flotation boxes" will be eliminated & replaced with fuel tanks. Purty sure I can fit a 9 gal portable on either side. Then I'll just make a curtain to cover em up.
Looks like the composite transom from the 153 can be salvaged for use in the 500. Just gotta get the dang lid off of it. The peckerhead PO "repaired" a ding in the bow'n glued the halves together with what appears to be that freakin aerosol expanding foam that sticks to anything. There's a thin tab of glass attaching the bottom of the splash well to the transom but the lid's free everywhere else.
Yeah I'm actually looking forward to doing this one. Plan includes hanging a V6 on it. Ernie's got a 225 Johnson shortshaft he keeps tryin to get me to buy. That'd be purty killer?
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I like the plan Doug!
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It's a miracle! The tank's out! What a freakin pita that was.
Check out the "repair": Cardboard dam with adhesive spray foam everywhere. We're still tryin to figger out how he got it in there ...?
Sorry for the night pics but it's so dang hot here the only time fit for man or beast to work is after dark. 96 for the high today. And it ain't even got real humid yet. Gonna be a long hot summer.
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Mine was worse Doug. At least you don't also have to rebuild the seat boxes. Good luck. The fun part is next. I loved my rebuild.
Hey Fuzz! Where you been hidin?
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Mine was worse Doug. At least you don't also have to rebuild the seat boxes. Good luck. The fun part is next. I loved my rebuild.
Hey Fuzz! Where you been hidin?
Well I have an 8 year old who wanted to join Cub Scouts. Well of the 7 other fathers seems I was the best choice for their Den Leader. So besides the normal Fatherly stuff for him and my 4 year old and as much work as I can fill a week with I get pretty busy. I'm around. Busy but around. I see the Facebook stuff more than anything but I peek my head in once in a while. I've taken up another sport, shooting. I've been a life long skeet shooter (not competition but just for fun) and moved that into the personal protection area too so that takes some more of my free time a a considerable chunk of my play money, I shoot about $150 a month in 9mm, but I sill love boating.
How have you been? I'm still amazed you survived that channel marker. This new project looks like a fun one. Though if you are still a Florida resident I can't imagine it is good weather to be wearing a tyvek suit and grinding fiberglass.
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" Looks like the composite transom from the 153 can be salvaged for use in the 500. "
That's cool that the V-153 lives on in another G/C ...
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Yeah, that has to be pleasant. Heat and grinding fiberglass.
Glad to see you starting on that one Doug.
So apparently you kept some of the 153 after cutting it up?
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Yo Fuzz, the channel marker was a cake walk compared to this dang diverticulitis. Gimme broken bones any day over this! Tyvek suits are for wussies ... 'Sides I sweat so much nothing has a chance to get into my pores. Plus the outside shower is just steps away.
Yeah I saved a lot of the 153. Just couldn't bear to toss out all of that expensive 'Tough Stuff'.
Yup the 500 will have the backbone of the 153. Kinda psyched about that. Gonna require some cleaning up but I intend to salvage as much as possible.
As you can see UV rays will eat up uncovered resin:
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Doug, My mom has diverticulitis too. No not fun at all. Her sister has ciliac disease. That's not too much fun either.
Interesting that you saved the V153 like that. Nice and thrifty to reuse the backbone of a former Glastron in your new project.
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Yeah Chris tell yer Ma I feel her pain. It's a real sob!
Making a lil progress. Hope to have more done by the end of the day but man is it hot out there. Currently 94. Phew!
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I'd like to get my hands on the guy that "fixed" this thing. Way to make a tough job tougher peckerhead.
Oh well got some more of the bulkhead out. Taking another AC break now ...
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Looks like it ain't gonna sink. With yer luck maybe a layer of glass over the whole thing would be a good idea.
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If anything this boat's got way too much foam in it. It's freakin everywhere. Turns into brown dust when you touch it. Screw it, it's all coming out.
Got most of the bilgewell out:
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Been at it since first thing this am. Callin it a day.
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You're making great progress and I'm still laughing at the cardboard/foam repair.
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" I'm still laughing at the cardboard/foam repair. "
What was he thinking ?
Guess it was a cheap, and maybe easy fix ...
and he did it without removing fuel tank ?
Love the red behind the dash cover ...
Your "Going to town " on it !
Don't over do it in the high temp's ...
Ya aint as young as ya use to be !
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I'm still laughing at the cardboard/foam repair.
Well I'm glad you guys find humor in it ...
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Dug out some of the "repair". Starting to see the light, so to speak. But it's still stuck fwd of where I been diggin.
Found a horn bouncing around up front:
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Correction:
The first horn pictured was bolted to the steering rack.
The crusty Delco-Remy is the one I found. Note the scuffed off paint. I can't imagine it didn't make a racket bouncing around up there? That would drive me nuts!
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Note where the flotation logs under the deck were cut away to do the 'repair'.
Weirdest thing about this is I cain't find any damage at all to the hull?
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Isn't that big chuck out of the top cap the damage?
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I meant damage to the hull itself & not the cap/deck ...?
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I meant damage to the hull itself & not the cap/deck ...?
Roger that!
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Cap's off. Man was that a tough nut to crack. Phew!
Now to dig out all the foam. What fun. Gotta stock up on trash bags. Garbage day's thurs so if I work hard tomorrow night I oughta be able to get rid of mosta it.
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I'm not too far ahead of you with my project Doug... gentlemen's wager on who finishes first? lol
That's a great hull, you're making quick progress, keep at it!
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Great progress Doug, I know this is the toughest part. Can't be much fun with your medical issues, but we're proud of you for hanging in there and getting the project going again!
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I still remember the joy I had when I was finally able to crack my deck off my hull. It was stuck at the splashwell and working under there is just as much fun as working at the bow. Great job and you are right that loose horn would drive me insane. I pulled the fuel tank sender to get a loose float & rod out of my fuel tank cause I hate rattles. What ever it takes to have a quiet ride right?
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For me flotation foam removal was the worst part of restro ...
Stuff was like concrete !
Will it be ready for Red Wing ?
LOL ...
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Will it be ready for Red Wing ?
I'm wonderin if'n I'll be ready for Red Wing Gregg. 'Tween the Diverticulitis, my new shop landlord, and the boat. One of em's gonna kill me yet ...?
Anyway. Ya she was stuck purty good on either side aft of the splashwell. Very hard to get at.
Two indispensable tools are are the sawsall & the multi tool. Don't buy the pos from True Value, it lasted five minutes. The Dremel's on sale at Home De Pot. Was $99 now $69. Good tool. Gave it quite a workout'n it hung tough.
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Well all the foam's out. WooHoo! According to my bathroom scale about 130 lbs worth. Not counting the water trapped underneath.
And now we've revealed more evidence of the "repair" on the hull side. Still can't figger out how they got in there without moving the tank?
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Good work Doug!
Any concerns with the repair? Was that foam job up there wet at all?
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Any concerns with the repair? Was that foam job up there wet at all?
No the repair looks purty solid hull wise. Obviously the deck'll need some work. Figger I'll lay a piece of glass on top, then flip it over'n work from underneath. Then sand off/smooth out the top.
No that foam was dry but all the factory stuff was wet.
Hey anybody got any tricks to removing this freakin glued down carpet? Been working with the sawsall scraper thingy but man is that slow going. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
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Steamer if you got one. that usually loosens up adhesives
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Well we got the transom cleaned up some. Only place the wood was still stuck was on the port upper corner. Otherwise it just flaked off.
Ripped up more of the carpet too.
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Forgot to say I had a cut-off wheel disintegrate in fronta me today. Now that'll surprise you lemme tell ya ...
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This may be hard to believe but the harbor freight ones shatter less than the home depot or menards ones. Looks like china finally got a tool right. face shield is a must.
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Opened up more of the floor fwd. All rotten wood underneath.
Got most of the carpet out on the port side. Invented a quick new method of removal: Wire wheel in the grinder. Just make sure to wet down the carpet prior to grinding. Else it can get a lil dusty ... Works purty good actually. Faster'n anything else I've come up with?
If I hadn't gotten rained out I'd be finishin the stb side now.
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Today's progress report (between rain showers). Well we got mosta the carpet out. Opened up the bow some more'n got most of the fwd section of the stringer out. Rotten as hell but still stuck in a few places.
Flipped the cap over'n dug out the flaky disintegrating foam. Discovered that even the wood inside the gunnal is rotted in some places. I think this boat was stored underwater ...?
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With the possible exception of the dashboard there isn't one single piece of wood in this boat that doesn't show some sign of water damage. It's amazing!
What's really amazing is there aren't any stress cracks around the splashwell. Judging by the transom you'd think there'd have to be?
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Well I guess I was wrong about the dashboard, it's rotten too. Sigh ...
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Doug, I feel you're pain. A wise man once told me "Just keep tellin yerself "this is the hardest part" ..."
Isn't it amazing how much rotten wood you can find in a fiberglass boat.
Keep plug'n along and keep up the good work.
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How does a dashboard get rotten??
"stored underwater"
I think you're right.
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Florida is so humid it could rot teak !
To bad you can't do entire boat in composite stuff.
Your super motivated Doug ...
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Noticed this 'paint record' tag on back of the dash. Kinda cool.
Also discovered where the fiberglass tab on the port side of the dash had broken free from the cap. Just another item added to the ever lengthening fix-it list ...
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Well we purty much got rained out today. Yesterday it was off the Gulf, today the storms came from the East. Ah well, keeps the dust down ...
Got all the foam out fromunda the cap. Cleaned up the splashwell some.
Hey anybody know an easy way the get the push-on nuts offa the horn grill without destroying it?
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If I remember they are the flat rectangular ones. In that case I use a pick with a 90 degree end and gently pry the tab up and away from the post.
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Thanks John. The ol pick trick worked purty good. 4 outa six ain't bad ...? (Hell that's what they make double sided tape for.)
Cleaned up around "the repair". Not quite sure how I'm gonna re-repair it. Suggestions?
Got the splashwell almost clean'n started on the transom. Then more rain. Grr.
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You can always use gobs of silicone glue to attached the horn grill - that is what I did.
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Then more rain. Grr.
Doug.. a wise man once told me
"Which reminds me if ya really wanna keep the dust down? Work in the rain ..."
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No rain tonight. Least not yet.
Got the cap purty much cleaned up, including the splashwell. Worked on the transom a lil bit. Ground some more off around the fwd flotation boxes.
Chased off the coons ... (Garbage can tipping sobs!)
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Dang rain ...
Ah well monkeyed around a lil with the trim. Found all pieces except for the bow cap. Hmm ... Gotta be in the craport somewhere?
Speaking of carport I unearthed this lil gem: Glove compartment door for the 163. Minus wood grain vinyl but otherwise okay. I'm purty sure it'll fit other models. If anybody's looking.
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Using your leaf blower to blow fiberglass dust on your neighbors burgers?
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Pre-preliminary transom transplant. Looks like it's gonna work. WooHoo!
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Well that's a huge labor saver. Looks like a little trimming and you should be good.
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Yeah I think it'll work fine Chris. Unfortunately it's way too thick as is. So here we go back to grinding ...
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If'n ya really wanna make some dust getcha one'a these 40 grit flap discs. Man do they cut! Only problem is the grinder gets too hot to handle. (Well it is 94 out there, down from 96 earlier ...)
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Transom fine tuning: Sits about half a motor bolt hole high. Splashwell hole's gonna be close, main drain's way off. But that ain't no thang. Just fill up the hole'n redrill. I wasn't expecting it to be as close as it is so I'm okay with it. Provided the motor holes are in the right place in the boat. Reckon I oughta measure that ...
edit. Note the lovely rotten backerboard. Sigh ...
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Well we got most of what was left of the stringer out. Cleaned up the transom some mo. That's some hard stuff. Still a lot more grinding to do. Bummer.
Tentative plan is to cut the floor out between the stringers in the 153. Then use the floor to cobble up the C500 stringer. Stagger the joints, etc.
Think I'm gonna go with a 1/2" sheet of 'Plascore' for the new 500 floor. Just as strong but lighter than 'Tough Stuff'. (What the hell, I'm made outa money ...)
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Thats great you can salvage some of the composite stuff.
The V153 lives on.
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Doug , nice job . You should call it a "C553"
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I'm diggin "553" Gil. Heh heh heh.
Ya we're gettin the 153 down to the bare bones. Not much else remains. Rest is at the curb ...
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Turns out the 153 keel stringer should be long enough to use in the 500, thanks to the more rakish bow. Which would be cool cuz then we'd only have to scab the one side. Vs cobbling the whole thing up from floor sections. And that leaves us with more of the floor to use for the fwd bulkhead, transom knees, repairing the dash, etc. WooHoo!
Still dunno what to do with this mess on the bow. Paranoid to do any repairs with it off'n the boat for fear it won't line up right? Think mebbe we'll set it back on the hull'n try'n shore it up from the outside. Then pull it off & beef it up a lil from the inside. Then put it back on'n finish from the outside. Your thoughts?
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As you stated I would put the cap back on and shore it up from the out side and then remove the cap and make the final repair from the inside and then test fit.
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More rain tonight so we didn't get much work done on the boat. Plus it's hotter'n hell. However on a brighter note we did manage to resurrect the ole compressor.
Wound up having to take the motor apart & clean out all the mud dauber nests. I never seen anything like it. The thing was freakin full of em!
She's runnin like a champ now but the relief valve keeps popping off @ about 110 psi. For the time being I've adjusted the pressure switch down to prevent that from happening. But I'm thinkin this thing oughta easily pump up to 120-125? Gotta get me a new relief valve I reckon.
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the relief valve keeps popping off @ about 110 psi.
Doug, I have an older Sears 1hp compressor w/12 gal. tank that pops off at 100psi so 110psi sounds about right.
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Hey John. I dug up a different relief valve from a compressor I'd scrapped out awhile back. Now she pumps right up to 125 psi. WooHoo!
Rain finally gave me a break so we got a lil done on the boat. Managed to extract the 153 center stringer from the surrounding flesh more or less in one piece. Serendiptitiously it's a few inches longer than it needs to be for the 500.
Speaking of surrounding flesh all the 153's earthly remains now lie at the curb. So perhaps a brief moment of silence is warranted ...
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Military Taps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_iz8z2AGw#)
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Well we haven't gotten much done on the boat lately. Been purty busy at the shop. When I get home in the AC the last thing I wanna do is go back out in the heat. This dang 'sickness' added to the high temps is freakin killin me.
I did get my block back from Don on Sunday. He's done some serious sawing on it, but he swears it'll be reliable. I hope so, been 11 mos since I been on the water. Hate to get out there'n have it blow up first time out.
We discovered it was only bored 020 on the stb cyl bank. So when it goes to Mike (dagodiver) to scallop the pistons he'll have to bore the port side. Might have him saw on the flywheel a lil too. He likes that. Sadly I have to wait til he gets back from vacation in GA. Sigh ...
Been keeping myself occupied cleanin parts'n polishin my nuts ... and bolts. Hey how d'ya like my thermostat cover? Heh heh heh
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What are you doing to that motor Doug? I must have missed something. Need another block? I've got an '88 88HP V4 block and crank sitting in my shed.
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We're just massaging it a lil Fuzz. Open up the ports. Scallop the block & pistons. Balance everything from the crank up. Maybe lighten the flywheel. New reeds, etc.
Actually I could use a decent block. Know I got enough pieces to put together another 140.
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I've got an '88 88hp block and crank. It's not the best looking but it might clean up nice. I was thinking of throwing them up on fleaBay. Just taking up room. Actually I have nearly a complete engine. Just missing a few key parts like bearings, pistons, rods and a few of the electrical parts. I don't know what shipping might cost but if I can make back my investment into the pile of parts I purchased I'd be happy.
I think I'm going to sell the transom bracket & trim/tilt for sure. But I have the entire body of the motor including a deft looking lower unit and mid section. The hood is the wrong one but it's still got nice insulation inside. If it were a Johnson and not an Evinride I'd paint it 1979 white and put my model year correct graphics on it.