Minnesota Classic Glastron Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Diamond Chad on February 15, 2022, 09:01:49 AM
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Does anyone recall if there was problems with johnson/evenrude etec motors and what years? Looks like they were acquired by BRP in about 2003? I am trying to determine if a 2012 115 evenrude etec is a good unit, and what to check on it if buying?
Thanks
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No info on problems ..
Check out history of BRP/Rotax, they build a lot of 2 stroke motor.
I would ask your local dealer about part availability in the future.
There were even Rotax motors in Glastron's !
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Do an internet search on etec problems. There are a lot of postings. Then you have to separate the problems that should have been avoided by proper maintenance. Local in the Twin Cities people to ask this question to would be Don Larkins at Hannay's, Jerry Sellner, and Ken Durand who is self employed. Below is just one of the articles I called up on the internet.
https://btb.fishing/e-tec-10-year-summary-part-2/
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Chad,
A good Evinrude dealer should be able to answer questions about a specific year and model as David suggested. I have a 2005 Etec 50 on a pontoon and it has been absolutely perfect. Quiet, sips fuel and oil, has always started instantly and I have never had to restart it, ever. It even winterizes itself.
My cousin has a newer 115 Etec on a pontoon, maybe 2017? It has been perfectly reliable but doesn't have many hours on it. I believe that a dealer can hook up a scan tool and get a readout of how many hours and at what rpm the engine has run.
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thank you all, and after some more research, the thing I feared was Ficht, Etec's look okay.
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I have heard the Ficht motors had problems, and were main reason they went bankrupt / sold out to BRP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outboard_Marine_Corporation
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Supposedly the ETec had more power and the same fuel economy as a 4 stroke. Think there was a video some where.
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Are you going to hang it on a CVX16 ?
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hint
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OK ..
open or closed bow ?
OR ..
collector's version GT160 ?
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What are the plans for your CVX16?
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The CVX-16 we sold last summer. You will see it pop up from time to time for sale on Minnetonka, with an optimistic price.
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8) 8) 8) 8) COOL ! 8) 8) 8) 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov0qb2G_oLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tit_OR3HHk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ZR3Xr0_vk
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Sorry I've been delinquent as other interests have been taking my time, but I work for an E-Tec dealer and have worked on those engines. For the most part they've been pretty reliable and smooth running as long as it's maintained. I have seen problems with the magnets lining the inside edge of the flywheel come loose and either effect the charging system and/or damage the stator. Replacing the flywheel is the only fix and they're very expensive. Those also have what they call an exhaust gate/valve that opens or closes depending on throttle position, the actuator sometimes fails. And on rare occasions some play might develop in the upper crank bearing. You also want to make sure you don't get any water in the fuel system, the injectors don't like it.
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On the snowmobiles, the exhaust vales sometime called power values. have to always run good quality full synthetic oil, and it helps if you take them off and clean them with oven cleaner every few years. Is this the same? Has less than 100 hours. Any way to check those magnets during an inspection? Is there scan tool info I should ask for before final inspection approval? sorry all the questions, but appreciate you have 1st hand experience.
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Without a laptop and the BRP diagnostic software to monitor the system voltage when running the only way to check the flywheel magnets is visually to see if they're out of place. They're supposed to be all equally spaced. However, if the engine has less than 100 hours on it chances are it's fine and there shouldn't be anything wrong with it.
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Another Hint, Arrived safe at home, needs a good cleaning from the road grime.
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Way cool !!!
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COOL ! 8) 8) 8)
I saw the local black one was gone .. thought you might have got that one.
Which one (number) is it ?
A 150 HP would look good on the stern .. LOL
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Very nice looking craft, will you be bringing it to the August meet?
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150, don't we just swap a chip in there somewhere for that? August Meet, I usually day trip for 1 or 2 days.
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115 HP - 1.7 L
150 HP - 2.6 L
150 HO G2 - 2.7 L
ETEC mid range
https://www.evinrude.com/en-US/e-tec/e-tec-full-specs.html#tab=3
ETEC G2
https://www.evinrude.com/en-US/e-tec-g2/e-tec-g2-full-specs.html#tab=3
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Very cool!
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Finally not raining and snowing so went out to look under the cover for the number. Its twice as good as a 007.
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COOL boat !
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Anyone know whether dropping the lower unit and replacing water impeller on these is difficult? I did the merc 115 several times, is this much different that the Merc's? I just don't want to open a can of SURPRISE CHAD!
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Looks like about the same as a Merc, except removing side cowl to get at shift shaft bolt.
Detailed Evinrude Water pump replacement 175 HP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TRQkHd465E
10 minutes How to change Water Pump 2010 ETEC 60HP Evinrude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_YDYzRMpQM
How to Replace the Water Pump on a Johnson Evinrude 85-300hp Outboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WZMArnU48c&t=178s
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It's still too early to sin e there was still ice last week, but already thinking of the right prop.
Based on engine model codes, it is a 2.00 to 1.00 lower unit ratio with a 5500 - 6000 WOT.
it's not a pad hull, and probably heavier, so max speed will not match cvx 16. Currently running a stock 17 pitch aluminum.
Are.there some must try suggestions?
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Yep .. looks like about 500 lbs. more ..
Maybe try a 17 P Raker ?
I know the Merc's used one power head for 90 thru 115 XS motors, Trent told me it was just a chip upgrade, maybe a ETEC 115 to 115HO upgrade is as easy as a chip .. bet it ain't a cheap chip though .. LOL
Supreme marine use to have test props
https://suprememarinemn.com/
PropMD might also have test props
https://propmd.com/
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https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/bpo/d/prior-lake-omc-stainless-prop-johnson/7477309050.html
19?
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Seems like a good price for a new SS prop and hub kit ..
https://propmd.com/product/michigan-wheel-ballistic-3-blade-xhs-ii-aluminum-propeller-4-1-4/#motor-brand
Google search ..
https://www.google.com/search?q=Michigan+Wheel+Ballistic+3+Blade+Stainless+Steel++13-1%2F2+x+17+&source=hp&ei=kYxsYuHDGJLPtQaKjaCYCg&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAYmyaoYwLcsq37Dl4nRmEDyAc3YfwXn_O&ved=0ahUKEwih0Jafzbr3AhWSZ80KHYoGCKMQ4dUDCAo&uact=5&oq=Michigan+Wheel+Ballistic+3+Blade+Stainless+Steel++13-1%2F2+x+17+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BQghEKABOgUIIRCrAlAAWM6VBGCHqARoAHAAeACAAYYBiAH0ApIBAzAuM5gBAKABAqABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
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I have been happy with the work from PropMD, they corrected, cupped, and polished my Mirages on the CVX-18. I will probably start with them.
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I believe that your 115 HP Evinrude has 13 spline prop shaft. You might try a 18" or 20" Raker prop.
Here is one on ebay: 13.5 X 18 Pitch Stainless Raker Prop for 40-140 HP EVINRUDE Johnson 0394758
I have a 20" Raker prop if you want to try it, but the pitch may be too high. My boat and motor weight in at approximately 1,100 lbs. in comparison to 1,700 show above.
The Michigan Wheel Ballistic 3 Blade Stainless Steel XHS II Propeller Series (9334XX) has 15 splines.
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Also have a 19' pitch Evinrude prop aluminum 3 blade for water skiing never used.
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I guess I assumed the e-tec had the large gear case if it?s a 3 inch I also have a raker 20 inch, and a 17 and 19 inch OMCSST, you are welcome to borrow any of those.
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So finally the sun was seen and temp nearly 60 degrees. Nice enough to poke around the garage. I saw this little cord and box on the back of the boat. I figured it was some kind of safety cutoff or such and I finally investigated. I pulled the cord to see what happened, and it popped out a little square. I started pulling and a 2 1/2 x2 1/2 " aluminum bar kept coming out of the hull. About 28 inches out it dropped down at an angle. Nice, a square bar drop foot. Well there were staggered openings on each side of the bar. Fold out, and presto changeo, a boarding ladder. Whoo Hoo.
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Now start looking for the electric powered anchor that comes down from the bow.
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WOW !
That's pretty cool !
Totally hidden when not in uses .. 8)
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The reviews are in, and we like it. The GTR160 hull has design hints of what we saw in the Carlson boat at the meet a few years ago, narrow center V with inverted cross section in the rear, almost like tunnels or outriggers that lift out of the water at plane, but not as pronounced as the Carlson. Much more comfortable than the CVX-16 pad hull, but also not as fast. It is wider than you would think and the interior feel spacious, The front bucket seats are very comfortable. The windshield is just tall enough to avoid getting blasted, the CVX-18 was the worst/best at putting the wind in your face.
The Etec is great. Snaps to life barely touch the key, quiet and smooth, with a noticeable kick when it hits its power band about 4000 rpm and up. Also sips fuel, tank level has hardly moved since we got it. (or the gas gauge is broke??)
Next its time to tune it for 2 person running, has anyone tried or have an opinion about Michigan Wheel Ballistic Props? I see they have a hub kit for this motor.
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I used a 21" pitch Ballistic on the 115 HP Merc on the V-153 Glastron. Decent prop but thin metal and hard to repair if damaged.
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I think 21" might be too steep for this setup, I was thinking start with 19". Stock is aluminum 17".
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Supreme marine uses to have "Test" props .. Maybe talk to them ..
Dave & I tested a bunch of props when we got our new boats .. You never know how well a prop works until ya try it ..
One company's 19P work different from another company's 19P prop.
Best to test all on same day, as water & weather can affect performance
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I would start by seeing what the manufacturer of the outboard offers. They undoubtedly have designed their props around the horsepower and torque curves of their outboards.
https://www.evinrude.com/en-US/rigging-and-parts/propellers.html
Then decide whether a stainless prop is better than an aluminum prop.
For my CVX-16, I tested four different OMC stainless steel props, a Laser II Quicksilver, and a PowerTech. The fastest by far was the Raker. The only drawback is that it is not as fast out of the hole as other props with less rake. Like Gregg said, test them under the same conditions, using a GPS speedometer. You might want two props, a speed and a load.
Even tested a 2-blade bronze prop by OMC - first picture - slow but beautiful. Last picture is an OMC SRX over the hub prop - fastest, but not for general use.
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I finally got the Evenrude Diag software loaded on the laptop and dug under the hood to find the com cable. I was glad to see the fault history is benign and engine hours are 65. I like the engine reports it put on my laptop.
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That?s cool! Didn?t realize it captured that data.
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Prop update. Decided to take small steps. Put on new evenrude factory 19. Up from the 17. Still aluminum.
Holeshot was still good, could pull up to 5500 rpm, and 48mph GPS in good conditions, not great . Thinking I could tune I to 50 with a little practice.
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Lifting motor might give you 100 to 200 more RPM's and 1 to 2 MPH increase ..
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I tinted the windshield and side windows. On the side windows, I also added a layer called red chameleon. It reflects only red light, but from this inside its almost transparent. It an interesting look and I can just peel it off any time if I decide I don't like it, but for now, I do.
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I am disinclined to drill holes in the hull, and want to mount a fire extinguisher on the floor against the side by foot rest. Do you think bedding the Fire Extinguisher bracket in 3M 5200 on the floor would be enough to hold it in place?
https://www.westmarine.com/kidde-replacement-mariner-fire-extinguisher-mounting-bracket-fits-mariners-5-10-110-181891.html (https://www.westmarine.com/kidde-replacement-mariner-fire-extinguisher-mounting-bracket-fits-mariners-5-10-110-181891.html)
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The next prop I would try would be a Raker 20" pitch. The thinner blades and the rake of the Raker should lift the front of your boat and reduce the wetted area. I have a 20" Raker if you care to try it, or Joe may have one too.