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New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« on: August 01, 2014, 12:00:50 PM »
Hello all,

I appreciate all the advice in helping to track down a classic Glastron that I received in an earlier thread.  Now the next phase starts so a little background and I hope some advice along with hoe that it isn't too bad.

Last weekend I purchased a 1981  SSV-164 in Minnesota and brought it back to Wisconsin.  It was sold on consignment and the dealer didn't have much information on the boat.  Dealer did start it and we test drove it for about 30 minutes at all kinds of speed to ensure all aspects of the boat were working properly.  Being new to the boat buying process I likely missed a few questions and probably should paid the dealer to do a thorough engine inspection -- lesson learned.

Once I got it to Wisconsin, I wanted to have someone with more experience than I have check the boat and so I took it to Badger Marine in Nekoosa, Wisconsin to let them change the oil and just do a more thorough inspection.  The first thing they did was to change points and condenser since they had some starting issues with it.  Once they did that, they told me the engine fires up and runs well....it ran well on the test drive too (from my experience) BUT when they went to change the oil they found water in it.  So that is Day 1.

They advised that it could range from being just some condensation to a cracked block and multiple issues in between so they are working to track down the source of the water, but they are warning me it "could be bad" which from all the stories of not winterizing I always knew could be a possibility.

The engine is 140 mercruiser, looked very clean when I stuck my head into the engine compartment with a flashlight.

So Day 2 - they have flushed the engine 3 times with new oil and each time they run it they  are finding water in the oil.

I have attempted to read up on this topic but I was wondering if their is a systematic trouble shooting procedure they should be working through just so I sound a bit more knowledgeable when I speak with them?

I have read about an exhaust flapper, bad head gasket, cracked manifold (where on the manifold?) and cracked block.

My fingers are crossed, toes too, rabbit foot in my pocket and I am searching for some saint of GM marine engines to say a prayer too right now.

I was thinking that a cracked head or block would have been an obvious thing to catch during the test drive and I of course made a fundamental flaw and didn't check the oil on the dipstick.  I thought about, looked at it but was just too enthusiastic about the boat.

 I have seen and heard automotive engines with cracked heads and these were "obvious" but I guess not so much on a marine engine.

Appreciate thoughts or perspectives.

Thanks - Bob

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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2014, 12:14:17 PM »
Ugh.  Seriously?   :-/
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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2014, 01:56:17 PM »
Oh no, Bob.  Very sorry to hear.
I've followed a few others through their rebuilds, out of interest - but have never worked on an I/O myself.  I imagine in a short time you'll have this thread filled with suggestions. 
We hope it's an easy fix.

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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2014, 02:05:24 PM »
Call the dealer you got it from ... see what they say ...

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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2014, 02:47:43 PM »
I agree with Gregg, actually.  Didn't think about it before he said it.  I got $300 refunded to me to help pay for a new lower unit right after I bought mine.  Anything helps, and it never hurts to ask.

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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2014, 03:01:01 PM »
Hope dealer will do something or give you some options ...

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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2014, 03:12:52 PM »
Hope dealer will do something or give you some options ...

I should have asked the dealer to do a pre-purchase inspection and paid them to do it.  I would really like to know what the magnitude is of the current problem.  Remember it was sold on consignment versus being a trade-in.

Is the worst case scenario a cracked block and then buying a remanufactured 3.0 and installing it? (though I would have a shop do this due to not having a shop or garage).  Just want to prepare for the worst.

Does anyone have view on it running well and what that might indicate?  The stories I have found on the internet might seem to imply "cracked block" since I am guessing if it were head gasket or manifold that it would have idling problems or other indicators of a leak?

I should stop speculating and just listen for now.

Thanks - Bob

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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2014, 09:08:02 PM »
This really sucks. I feel your pain. I am sure the dealer didn't know. They sound like good people. Maybe they will help you out. I'd call them.

Seems like everyone I know that has had water in the oil on a 140 ended up having a cracked block. If the head cracked then chances are the block did too. You may have gotten lucky and just the manifold didn't get drained properly but if that cracked the only way for water to get in the oil is through the intake valves and then past the pistons which to me seems unlikely when it's running. Sounds like you have a very small leak or crack with how slowly it's filling.

The nice thing is the 140 is common, cheap, and easy to swap out.
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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2014, 06:23:18 AM »
Good morning:)
I will find a couple of my threads, you can read through them in about a week lol, jk,
The threads could be of interest and help for troubleshooting

I'm all to familiar with that issue...2 times in a row both 3.0 140s
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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2014, 06:56:07 PM »
Here ya go, read these threads, and any others that get pasted, hope this helps in some way..
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=4963.0

here is another thread
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=5285.0

here is my most recent thread
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=5384.0

« Last Edit: August 02, 2014, 07:04:49 PM by buckz6319 »
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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2014, 04:21:43 PM »
Here ya go, read these threads, and any others that get pasted, hope this helps in some way..
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=4963.0

here is another thread
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=5285.0

here is my most recent thread
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=5384.0

Thanks - I will read through those.  At this point I am going to prepare for the worst and go from there.  So if anyone has thoughts on "which re-manufactured"  engine to go with and perhaps any marine mechanics in Wisconsin or marinas who would swap the engine out that would be helpful.

I am working on contacting the owner of the marina who consigned the boat but the owner was the only person who dealt with the seller and she was described as an older woman who was hard to get a hold of.  I give everyone the benefit of the doubt in this, older woman has the boat, perhaps she had a spouse who passed away, boat didn't get winterized so this year she takes into consignment.  Dealer looks at it but they don't do really check it out, just agree to a price and post it for sale.

Then I should have done about 4 things differently, though we did test drive it, but I could have done more diligence too. 

So of all the things that could happen I may come out of it with a lighter wallet but a still a great boat.

Thanks for the info - Bob

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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2014, 04:33:15 PM »
Here ya go, read these threads, and any others that get pasted, hope this helps in some way..
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=4963.0

here is another thread
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=5285.0

here is my most recent thread
http://forum.cgoamn.com/index.php?topic=5384.0

Thanks - I will read through those.  At this point I am going to prepare for the worst and go from there.  So if anyone has thoughts on "which re-manufactured"  engine to go with and perhaps any marine mechanics in Wisconsin or marinas who would swap the engine out that would be helpful.

I am working on contacting the owner of the marina who consigned the boat but the owner was the only person who dealt with the seller and she was described as an older woman who was hard to get a hold of.  I give everyone the benefit of the doubt in this, older woman has the boat, perhaps she had a spouse who passed away, boat didn't get winterized so this year she takes into consignment.  Dealer looks at it but they don't do really check it out, just agree to a price and post it for sale.

Then I should have done about 4 things differently, though we did test drive it, but I could have done more diligence too. 

So of all the things that could happen I may come out of it with a lighter wallet but a still a great boat.

Thanks for the info - Bob
your welcome Bob
I will let some more experienced members answer you questions...I just can help you with what I have done thus far, as a " Shade Tree Mechanic"  "DIY" guy
but I couldn't have gotten this far, without the help of the knowledgeable folks on this forum..I will put me .02$ in where I can...

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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2014, 05:10:42 PM »
I am not sure where you can buy a reman. If it were my boat, I'd look for a donor boat and put in a used engine. Just make sure you can water test it.

Wasn't there a guy selling a bunch of NOS motors last fall locally?

Might be good: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/boa/4565148156.html

Looks like there are "new" motors on eBay in Michigan for $2300. http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=281274553257
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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2014, 05:21:24 PM »
That ebay seller has a phenomenal feedback rating.
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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2014, 05:36:46 PM »
That is Michigan motors. Good company to deal with, I have purchased several parts from them and also thought about purchasing a engine before I built the one in Phoenix right now. They stand behind everything they sell. If you would decided to go this route I would purchase it directly through their website and call in the order.
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New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2014, 05:42:08 PM »
If you find a motor and if you want to drag your boat up to Hudson I'd help get that motor swapped. I am sure a few others would be willing to help. It's a 3 hour job.

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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2014, 06:07:17 PM »
Bob, sounds like a good offer from Jason, and a few others:)

I also thought about purchasing an engine from Michigan Motors, good reputable company I have heard. I just couldn't come up with enough money to get one. I think it is an outstanding buy
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2014, 10:24:57 PM »
Bob, sounds like a good offer from Jason, and a few others:)

I also thought about purchasing an engine from Michigan Motors, good reputable company I have heard. I just couldn't come up with enough money to get one. I think it is an outstanding buy

An outstanding offer.  Jason I will PM you.  Here is the craigslist ad the owner put up referencing the consignment sale -- I am laughing a bit regarding the "tuned engine" quote from within it.   http://brainerd.craigslist.org/boa/4584353761.html

Here is a photo I took of the boat on the trailer.  It looks like Michigan Motors has a good option and at least they upgrade distributor to the full electronic.  Base engine kit is shown here - http://www.michiganmotorz.com/base-marine-engine-19672014-replacement-p-67.html they even do complete engines at about double the price.




I will keep everyone posted since this week I will likely get the news of where the crack is - thanks - Bob







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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2014, 12:15:45 AM »
Craigslist shows two engines a 120 (though this engine shows up in both Illinois and Wisconsin so seems a bit wonky since the seller says it is in two different places - http://madison.craigslist.org/bod/4576693610.html

 I am skeptical about buying a used engine since even if it runs well won't guarantee that it doesn't have a cracked block.

Came across this 3.0LX too - http://appleton.craigslist.org/bod/4598323493.html - comes with an outdrive too for $2,000 and is at Peterson Marine in Waupaca, Wisconsing.   I have googled 3.0lx and 3.0L and it just seems the 3.0LX was a marketing name when mercury stopped making the 2.5 120 - I just want to be sure a 3.0LX would swap into the 1981? perhaps only electrical or gauges?

Lowest cost boat  can find is $1,700 - but again, I am concerned about just buying one that has a problem - since even with the one I purchased it ran just fine and gave no indication of a potential cracked block http://madison.craigslist.org/boa/4559529404.html - plus, how do you get rid of the hull and the rest of it?

Thanks again - Bob


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Re: New purchase...but mechanic has told me "water in the oil"
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2014, 10:43:14 AM »
Your best bet is to go new. Less time trying to sell old junk w/o a motor, ect. If you plan to keep the boat a long time a new engine is the way to go. Just get a long block and everything can be swapped over. The manifold will be the only risk as it could have cracked too.
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