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Offline nes-cv23

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Trouble with the cv-18
« on: June 26, 2021, 07:22:43 AM »
Having trouble with the 18 I did a couple years ago.. we think it’s something in the wiring??  Has a 302 Ford in it with a Volvo. Have not been able to get it to more than fire once and then nothing…  at this point we want to bypass all the wiring and get it running like it’s on a motor stand with nothing connected, then we can tell if it’s wires or motor.. but.. how do you run them with nothing??   Just power the coil and jump the starter?   Anyone??
« Last Edit: June 26, 2021, 07:26:48 AM by nes-cv23 »
84 ssv-151, 76 cvx-16 ss, 77cvx-20 jet, 90 CSS-19, 78 cv-23, 77 gt-150, 2-78 cvx-16, 79cvx-16, 79 cvz-18,  73 cv-16, 74 cv-18, 89 219 Futura, 76 gt-150 jet, 79 cv-23, 02 Gx-225,  1980 intimidator = done!.. 79 hvp175   Now  done?

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Re: Trouble with the cv-18
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2021, 07:34:22 AM »
Yep, that’s it. I usually use a ballast resistor on the coil but if you’re only going to run it for a few minutes to check that it runs it’ll be fine without.


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Re: Trouble with the cv-18
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2021, 07:42:49 AM »
You could monitor the voltage at the coil to see if it changes.   Not sure if your ignition uses a ballast resistor, the coil itself may be printed as such.  For testing, you could bypass it if not able to be located.   How about the safety interlock?   My 18 did nearly the same thing.  The ignition would get voltage when cranking, it would fire, then you let off starter and it would die.    If the starter cranks, you shouldn't have to bypass anything there.   Appears to have electric choke, that should have constant power when key on.   Use that as bypass to coil, or use a meter or test lamp to see if it is dropping.   I assumed you are getting fuel, but carb issues can cause similar results.   
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Re: Trouble with the cv-18
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2021, 07:49:07 AM »
I noticed from the pictures its missing a couple spark plug wires, may not cause the issue your having, but certainly won't run very well.
Michael
1979 CVZ-18 388 CI Vortec Mouse
1980 CVX-16SS 140 Mercruiser
1979 CVX-16 Johnson 175
2002 Bennington 2275CC 90 Mercury
1985 Intimidator project
1989 Lowe 200 Redneck fishin Toon
2001 Godfrey Sweetwater pontoon 115 Rude

Offline nes-cv23

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Re: Trouble with the cv-18
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2021, 03:26:05 PM »
 :D missing plug wires…. That’s what the motor looked like when I got it.. now it’s all cleaned up and has all new ignition with pertronic instead of points.  Run nice for a while and now no go..
84 ssv-151, 76 cvx-16 ss, 77cvx-20 jet, 90 CSS-19, 78 cv-23, 77 gt-150, 2-78 cvx-16, 79cvx-16, 79 cvz-18,  73 cv-16, 74 cv-18, 89 219 Futura, 76 gt-150 jet, 79 cv-23, 02 Gx-225,  1980 intimidator = done!.. 79 hvp175   Now  done?

Offline Jason

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Re: Trouble with the cv-18
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2021, 12:17:49 PM »
Put the points back it. Bet it will run like a champ!
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Re: Trouble with the cv-18
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2021, 01:15:20 PM »
I had a pertronix fail - it would fire up cold and run nicely. I would get away from the dock and open the throttle and cruise and then shutdown and would not start. 

was a frustration in trouble shooting this issue. I did as jason suggested and put the points back in.

No more problems
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Re: Trouble with the cv-18
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2021, 05:15:39 PM »
I would tend to agree with having a spare set of points and condenser on board for emergencies, but I will never go back permanently to a standard Kettering ignition full time.     In nearly ever case of failed electronic ignition that I've encountered has been the result of outside issues.    Poor power input, wrong coils, incorrect use of ballast, leaky cap/rotor, poor grounding,  etc.     Use a matched coil, solid installation, and quality wires/cap/rotor and the system should perform well for many years.  I think pertronix has a 2 or 3 year warranty, maybe it could still be under warranty?
Michael
1979 CVZ-18 388 CI Vortec Mouse
1980 CVX-16SS 140 Mercruiser
1979 CVX-16 Johnson 175
2002 Bennington 2275CC 90 Mercury
1985 Intimidator project
1989 Lowe 200 Redneck fishin Toon
2001 Godfrey Sweetwater pontoon 115 Rude