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Offline Rosscoe

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New Glastron Cave, in need of help
« on: September 17, 2013, 09:18:34 AM »
As some of you know, I recently purchased a metal building from out of state. It has turned into a nightmare and I can find no one to put the thing up. Its looking more and more like I am going to be doing way more of this myself they I ever intended and my body just inst up for much of it.
If ANYONE knows of any contractors that would even do part of it such as the concrete footings or put up the steel framing, please let me know. A forklift, crane or boom truck may be required as well. Otherwise I am going to end up with a pile of steel laying here and THAT is if I can get it unloaded from the truck when it shows up.
ANY help would be greatly appreciated.
I finally received a set of plans yesterday (small PDF files) and am supposed to be getting full size plans Fed Ex'd soon. Then I can go after the building permit.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2013, 05:43:17 AM by Rosscoe »
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2013, 09:33:45 AM »
Can you upload your plans to this site? Think this is something a bunch of us could handle? Or at least to tip up the major walls and roof?

You can try posting an ad on CL too. Are you doing just a footing or a floor too?
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2013, 09:47:21 AM »
Are the parts so big/heavy that you would need a fork lift/crane to unload from truck ?

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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2013, 10:21:03 AM »
Was planning in just doing footing because I think a slab would be cost prohibitive.
The footings need to be laid out very accurately so the anchor bolts line up and everything is square or the rest of it will be a huge PITA.
The beams would require something large to stand them up and set them on the anchor bolts.
The side sheet metal parts will be 12 feet long and I dont know how big the roof ones are. Getting it unloaded and down my driveway is another deal. They say if you use a forklift, the forks need to be at least 5 feet apart, otherwise some kind of boom truck with slings. The driver will not help at all as far as I know and the flat bed truck will not fit down my drive way.
I can post the plans and instructions. If the footings were done right, the rest might not be too bad, except for maybe the roof.
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2013, 10:22:37 AM »
Might be too big?
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2013, 12:07:43 PM »
OK, I see now. 60' x 40'. NICE!

So you just need footings like you would with a deck. 14 of them? Rent an auger?

Those do look like they would be heavy beams. Maybe you could rent some type of excavator to lift the beams up.

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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2013, 12:09:13 PM »
Post an ad on CL.
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2013, 12:14:33 PM »
HOLY CRAP !

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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2013, 12:28:02 PM »
First things first Ross...what's the plan for getting it off the trailer?

When that trucker shows up he's not going to want to mess around, and no, he won't help either.  You going to rent a forklift to unload?

When does it arrive?
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2013, 02:43:10 PM »
I haven't told them to ship it yet. I have some time but sometime in Oct.

I could rent an auger and all that but the layout needs to be very accurate or the beams wont set on it. That is problem #2
#1 is getting it off the truck. I have a neighbor that has a giant fork lift and boom truck but I have never met him personally but did send an email. He runs the Franconia Sculpture park that is right behind me. I went there last Sat to introduce myself but only students were there. Its actually an "art" school but their art is huge.

http://www.franconia.org/

Hasnt been very forthcoming as of yet.
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2013, 03:02:26 PM »
There are some really cool sculptures there!
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2013, 04:20:20 PM »
Yeah they don't make for a bad neighbor.
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2013, 09:02:42 PM »
Ross, sorry i,m so far away but unloading that truck here wouldn't be a problem. I have access to boomtrucks and large forklifts. I know that doesn't help you there. Here's another thought for unloading. Look for a large truck towing service with a rotating wrecker. They work just like a crane and you could use slings to pick up pallets and bundles of steel.
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2013, 09:06:42 PM »
I would strongly consider a full slab for that building. At the very least pour a perimeter wall and fill the inside with crushed stone. The full slab is the way to go because you can work in it so much easier. Roll things around, etc.

My neighbor has a 30 x 50 metal building and it took the installers about a week to build it. They used a backhoe and chain lift the beams.

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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2013, 09:53:47 PM »
Well packed class 5 is great if it's just for storage. He has all kinds of shop space. BTW there's a big difference between a cave, in need, and a cave-in. Hope you don't have a cave-in. I can't wait for an erection party. (no punctuation needed)
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2013, 05:44:40 AM »
Ross, sorry i,m so far away but unloading that truck here wouldn't be a problem. I have access to boomtrucks and large forklifts. I know that doesn't help you there. Here's another thought for unloading. Look for a large truck towing service with a rotating wrecker. They work just like a crane and you could use slings to pick up pallets and bundles of steel.

Rotating wrecker? Are they fairly common?
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Re: New Glastron Cave-in need of help
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2013, 05:50:15 AM »
I would strongly consider a full slab for that building. At the very least pour a perimeter wall and fill the inside with crushed stone. The full slab is the way to go because you can work in it so much easier. Roll things around, etc.

My neighbor has a 30 x 50 metal building and it took the installers about a week to build it. They used a backhoe and chain lift the beams.
Wish I could but not knowing how bad its going to be to get this thing up, I likely wont have enough money. A slab can be poured later too. This is going to be for storage only. No electric, unless I run an extension cord to operate a door opener or a few lights.
Class 5 does pack well and makes it easier to move things around but trap rock was suggested too. That would make it tougher to roll anything. Might be a combination of things. Crush the trap rock down into the class 5, maybe.

I got a bite on my CL ad last night for the concrete work and maybe more. He has a bobcat and auger and does concrete for a living so I trust him with his knowledge. He hasnt said he'd take it yet but I still feel some relief. He suggested a Man lift might work for raising beam parts. I emailed him the plans to look over. Now I need to get my hands on the real working plans and get the permit process going.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2013, 05:55:43 AM by Rosscoe »
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Re: New Glastron Cave, in need of help
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2013, 09:10:14 AM »
Dreser Trap is very hard and very sharp. It doesn't compact well. Class 5 needs to be tamped. That causes the fines and dust to come to the top and it really gets just like concrete. I have a pad in the back yard for the motorhome and boat.
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Re: New Glastron Cave, in need of help
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2013, 10:53:29 AM »
Wow, that is going to be one heck of a Glastron Cave Ross!
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Re: New Glastron Cave, in need of help
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2013, 10:55:28 AM »
Definitely consider the continuous footing.  You don't want to do that with piers on a size that long.  You might consider 5-6 foot piers at regular intervals and use a trencher to get you a foot wide by two feet deep for the full perimeter.
Jerry's right - you don't want a cave-in.  Concrete here in Iowa, for a full slab with a footing wall and piers, would run you $8-$10 per square foot  (At 40 x 60, that's up to $24,000 for the full slab).  When I built homes, the slab foundation was often my largest single expense.
To set it up square is not a problem.  You can probably find a YouTube how-to for setting string lines for concrete forming.  You'll set stakes several feet outside your perimeter at the corners, pull a twine incredibly tight.  You can measure each side and the diagonals to ensure it's square/rectangle.  Then, you can measure and set more stakes outside of each location of your anchor bolt needs - run twine across here.  All of this twine should be 1-2 feet off the ground - you'll use a plumb-bob to mark the ground at intersections.  With your twine elevated this way, you can run your trencher and auger - the twine will flex enough and return to it's place if you bump against it.  You'll also be able to pour the concrete without risk of the twine becoming embedded in your pour.  I would definitely re-inforce all of it with steel re-bar, too.  I would not be surprised if there were a foundation engineer or structural engineer who would want poured beams between your riser posts, too on a span that large.

Instead of a regular flatwork or slab crew, you might contact a curbing contractor.  If you poured the perimeter footing, you could always come back later and pave the interior when you have the desire and the funds.  
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