Thanks Guys, Kenny and Ed Hannay are still around the store, Ken retired about two years ago(down to 40 hours in season) and Ed still works full time (he and I are the old guys around the store)).....My memory is that Howard lived on Johanna in the 70's ?? I still see howard now and then, I'm guessing that old 60 Renault won't keep up with you guys but we will try to get to some meets this summer.