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Offline Plugcheck

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max HP for gt
« on: January 02, 2015, 08:14:31 PM »
Tim(making waves) and I were discussing at lunch today the OB needs of his GT.  He has 2 OB's, one merc, one rude.  I think a 85 and a 90?  Many folks have 115's, what legal issues are present adding HP beyond the label plate?  He passed on a 135 with T&T.
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Offline Hyperacme

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2015, 08:49:00 PM »
In MN. a dealer can install a motor 15 percent larger then rated ...
I ask Progressive Ins. if I could put a larger motor on my boat then it was rated for and they said it was OK with them.
I asked her if she would ask her supervisor to be sure, and he said it was OK.
Not saying your Ins. company will feel the same ...

Not sure what the DNR would say ?

Pretty sure GT's get pretty squirrelly above the low to mid 50's.

I've seen more GT150 with 115 HP motors, then ones with smaller motors ... LOL
Weights on Merc's and J / E are about the same for 90 & 115 HP motors.
   

Offline bellj

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2015, 08:17:33 AM »
Years ago I obtained a used "one cylinder needs repair" 115 that I wanted to repair and put on my GT, because if I remember correctly only the jetting and/or rpm or timing limit was different between the 90's and 115 "towers of power" at that time.

Well, I have a friend who our families used to snowmobile and camp together with and he was also with a local sheriff's department at that time (he eventually became the sheriff, but is retired now, but their department always and still patrols the lake we like to frequent). He strongly cautioned me at that time that the DNR in Wisconsin really goes out of their way to "crack down" on everything. It was common at that time to just put on a 90 cover or stickers - but he said they frequently would stop you for a "courtesy safety spot-check" (especially if you were a fast(er) boat on the lake) and would mark down the serial numbers from the motor and have them checked (I saw them do this a few times on that lake too - and not just the "required safety equipment on board" checks - even recently within the last few summers).

So if you modified a 90 to be a 115, you stood a better chance of not getting caught than starting with a 115. He said they were tough enough on just people who modified and got caught (and I remember seeing newspaper reports of these "inspections" through the years on our local flowage), but if you had an accident - they threw everything in the book at people, not to mention the insurance and getting sued risks!

So as a result of not being brave enough to take the chance, my 115 still sits on the floor in storage which I probably will just sell some day whether I repair it or not. I always envy but used to be amazed when I'd see so many GT's with 115's - but it seems to be OK as long as you never plan to run in Wisconsin (WI side of Mississippi seems to be ignored? (maybe better chances if you're not a WI resident?)).

The real irony - if I understand it right - is that the engines at that time were rated at the engine head instead of the prop like they are now (hopefully I don't have that reversed) - so the old 115 "towers of power" were actually only 90 HP at the prop anyway in reality...but good luck arguing that little fact with our DNR! (remember last year or the year before when someone rescued a deer that even the DNR admitted was kind of a unique situation - but greatly angering the public and even the Governor, they killed it, and told the public and even our Governor after the outcry that "THEY" make the rules...I've met some wonderful DNR people, but I've always heard of some who have "a real power ego problem" and unfortunately that power seems to "reign supreme" in many instances)
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Offline Retro Performance

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2015, 09:20:39 AM »
Boat rated for 105.....running 175 on it......waxing boat at public beach area.....Sheriff pulls up (in Truck) says someone called about "A loud, fast boat" and asked what the boat is rated for....tell him 105.....he puts on waders, walks to boat and checks. Then comes back and spends five minutes looking at a handbook or something and says " This is an unsafe watercraft"........explain to him that the boat has been modified to handle the engine and speed.....he says "Thats fine if your driving it but what if I am driving?"..........  "Then I call one of your buddies cause you just stole my boat".......was supposed to mean most people do not just let people take their boat out and drive it...............well ok it was a smartmouth comment..........the fine for an unsafe boat was about 125.00 at that time I think.....and after the comment a chance to sit in the back of the Sheriff truck while your ticket is being produced.........I never believed somebody called.
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Offline David CVX-16

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2015, 12:03:02 PM »
I have had bad experiences with the DNR and the Coast Guard (and OSHA at work) where they fine you for a petty violation that is very small in comparison to the more serious violations they should be giving their attention and resources to.

My career for 40 years as a CPA was sometimes that of an auditor of the financial statements of companies, and you soon learn to overlook the minor, accidental mistakes.   
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Offline 75starflight

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2015, 12:20:46 PM »
Honestly here in Nebraska the Game and Parks personnel Probably wouldn't even look at you. I have been out on our lakes for four years. Have never seen them out on the water or have never been checked. 
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Offline thedeuceman

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2015, 01:09:59 PM »
I'm not worried about it, I figure they got bigger fish to fry.
Never seen DNR on magnor " in Clayton WI" the only time MN DNR ever paid attention to me was when the officer was Allen "the guy I got my boat from"
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Offline Hyperacme

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2015, 01:18:48 PM »
Wish some one would put a 3 cyl. Yamaha 90 HP motor on a GT.
There as light as J / E 3 cyl. motors but have more HP.
Might solve some of the issues with handling at speeds, or might not ...

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2015, 02:10:40 PM »
I think the carbs from a 90 Yamaha might bolt onto a three cylinder OMC..........If you milled the head a little and put those on and?????? maybe the OMC would make as much (or more) than the Yamaha?   Just Sayin........

Offline carlsoncvx18

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2015, 02:12:19 PM »
A friend of mine has a GT 150 with a 90 yamaha and a jack plate.

Driven it a few times, hit the hammer hold the trim and hang on runs 55mph.

I remember it handled quite well at wot.
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Offline Hyperacme

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2015, 02:22:14 PM »
Maybe just paint the Yamaha white and put some Stinger decals on it ...

How's it handle Jeff ?

Weight = 260 lbs.
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Offline carlsoncvx18

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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2015, 02:24:57 PM »
Like most boats keep it in a straight line, no chine walking.
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Offline Hyperacme

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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2015, 02:26:26 PM »
Bring him to Red Wing for further testing ...  LOL

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2015, 02:30:17 PM »
Been sitting in the shed for the last 3 yrs does not use it any more, keeps on talking about selling it.

Have to make a deal with him. It is a 79 gold and yellow last year they were made.
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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2015, 02:38:15 PM »
Good luck ...
That's the exact same, super rare boat that made the jump in the Bond film ...

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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2015, 06:23:07 PM »
Round these parts I don't think the cops'd care if'n yer boat were powered by a nuclear torpedo. Seriously! Just don't run into nobody ...

I'd like to do a composite rebuild on a GT 150'n hang a modded yammie 90 on it. Painted to look like a 'Stinger'.

 
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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2015, 06:36:10 PM »
Here's the full story:

I'm painting my '78 GT-150 orange and white to look like the '72 "Bond boat".  It came with a 90 hp Merc w/ tilt & trim.  I wanted to find an Evinrude to look the part.  Being overzealous I bought an 85 hp without t & t.  I planned to paint it to look like the 135 hp Bond boat engine.  At this moment I don't know if either one runs.  There's a 115 'Rude on CGOTD (what does that stand for anyway?) in Minneapolis.  It appears to have t & t.  I'd go for it but I don't like pressing my luck with the law or insurance company.  Mike posted the question for me and as usual there's many opinions but nothing definitive.  I appreciate the input but am no closer to the answer.  I guess it comes down to the size of my cajones?  Lol.
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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2015, 06:56:36 PM »
GCOTD
Glastron Carlson of the day ...

1972 Glastron tri-hull. 90hp mariner outboard - $1700 (albertville)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/boa/4809000301.html




1989 merc 70hp - $1450 (ST PAUL)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/boa/4798975885.html




90hp Outboard Motors - $3400 (Edina)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/boa/4830435965.html




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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2015, 07:20:52 PM »
Beauty of the OMC crossflow motor is the block is the same. 85 hp all the way up to 140. Xtra hp comes from bigger carbs and intake & exhaust 'mods'.
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Re: max HP for gt
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2015, 10:17:40 PM »
I had the 115 on the back of my GT, labeled as the 115.  Never had an issue.  There were a few months that I was out 4 days a week in the evenings.  Sometimes WOT, sometimes just putzing along.  I've been stopped and taken off the lake for expired tags, never questioned about the motor/hull combination.  I remember asking when I got the registration the first time and was told that I could remove the rating plate and put O.R. on the boat in its place - for Owner Responsible.  My boat didn't have a plate to begin with, thanks to the P.O.  The thing sure was a** heavy, though.  Joe's sits on the water much more nicely than mine did.  Not sure what the weight difference is between his Johnson and my 1150 Mercury.  I know I kept 12 gallons, the battery and the trim pump in the back.  There was a huge difference in ride when I put some weight up front.
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